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Windows 7: Imaging with free Macrium

08 Jun 2015   #1390
kado897

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
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The problem is that you need to image both the ssd and the partition that contains the "user" folder at the same time as it is considered by Windows to be part of the OS. (It contains user registry entries). In fact if you were to do a Windows image it wouldn't allow you to do just the SSD. If you leave the user folder on the SSD you avoid that.
As a user who has since Vista always sysprepped the Users to another drive than C: I just have to comment:

Using Windows native backup, yes you have to include the partition where the Users folder is located. Using Macrium that is not necessary although it is recommended; I have run several tests where I have only imaged the system reserved and C:, when the image is restored it picks the Users folder nicely along and system works again without issues. If the user has for instance installed software after the image was made which has let's say AppData\Roaming folders, these folders will of course remain in the system also after the image which no longer contains said software has been restored, but this really is a minor issue as those folders will be replaced as soon as the software is reinstalled after the restore.

The system works so well I have started to image only the C:, not the partition with Users because those files and folders are already securely backed up on OneDrive which I sync with my libraries. No need to image the Users with a terabyte of OneDrive.

Most of the registry is anyway stored on C:\Windows\System32\Config. Using Macrium instead of Windows native imaging, and keeping the Users folder relocated on another drive I can image and restore my system in a couple of minutes because the necessary image is relatively small, only containing software and Windows folders and when restored "picking up" my Users folder securely stored on another drive.
That's good to know Kari.


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08 Jun 2015   #1391
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
The problem is that you need to image both the ssd and the partition that contains the "user" folder at the same time as it is considered by Windows to be part of the OS. (It contains user registry entries). In fact if you were to do a Windows image it wouldn't allow you to do just the SSD. If you leave the user folder on the SSD you avoid that.
As a user who has since Vista always sysprepped the Users to another drive than C: I just have to comment:

Using Windows native backup, yes you have to include the partition where the Users folder is located. Using Macrium that is not necessary although it is recommended; I have run several tests where I have only imaged the system reserved and C:, when the image is restored it picks the Users folder nicely along and system works again without issues. If the user has for instance installed software after the image was made which has let's say AppData\Roaming folders, these folders will of course remain in the system also after the image which no longer contains said software has been restored, but this really is a minor issue as those folders will be replaced as soon as the software is reinstalled after the restore.

The system works so well I have started to image only the C:, not the partition with Users because those files and folders are already securely backed up on OneDrive which I sync with my libraries. No need to image the Users with a terabyte of OneDrive.

Most of the registry is anyway stored on C:\Windows\System32\Config. Using Macrium instead of Windows native imaging, and keeping the Users folder relocated on another drive I can image and restore my system in a couple of minutes because the necessary image is relatively small, only containing software and Windows folders and when restored "picking up" my Users folder securely stored on another drive.
That's what I thought. Windows backup will include all partitions/drives that have system folders/files whereas Macrium Reflect will image only what you tell it to, even if the User Folder is on another partition/drive.
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09 Jun 2015   #1392
RedLad

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
The problem is that you need to image both the ssd and the partition that contains the "user" folder at the same time as it is considered by Windows to be part of the OS. (It contains user registry entries). In fact if you were to do a Windows image it wouldn't allow you to do just the SSD. If you leave the user folder on the SSD you avoid that.
As a user who has since Vista always sysprepped the Users to another drive than C: I just have to comment:

Using Windows native backup, yes you have to include the partition where the Users folder is located. Using Macrium that is not necessary although it is recommended; I have run several tests where I have only imaged the system reserved and C:, when the image is restored it picks the Users folder nicely along and system works again without issues. If the user has for instance installed software after the image was made which has let's say AppData\Roaming folders, these folders will of course remain in the system also after the image which no longer contains said software has been restored, but this really is a minor issue as those folders will be replaced as soon as the software is reinstalled after the restore.

The system works so well I have started to image only the C:, not the partition with Users because those files and folders are already securely backed up on OneDrive which I sync with my libraries. No need to image the Users with a terabyte of OneDrive.

Most of the registry is anyway stored on C:\Windows\System32\Config. Using Macrium instead of Windows native imaging, and keeping the Users folder relocated on another drive I can image and restore my system in a couple of minutes because the necessary image is relatively small, only containing software and Windows folders and when restored "picking up" my Users folder securely stored on another drive.
Hi, thanks for the post. I'm just a little unclear on it though, just because this is new to me. The way I have my setup, as mentioned above, is an SSD withe my OS, the the user folders on the HDD. I don't have much installed right now as I have just done a clean reinstall of Windows 7. But one program (3ds Max) created folders on in the Documents folder upon install. So if I go to do an image using Macrium once I have all of my programs up and running, will it be able to know to create them files in the image also?

Basically what I want to know is - if Windows somehow gets corrupt on me, can I just restore from an image (Of SSD & HDD) to bring it back to a fully, working state, with all of my programs? Without having to reinstall any of the programs.
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09 Jun 2015   #1393
kado897

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1. An image is everything on the partition so yes it will include those files.

2. When you restore an image you restore the partitions to the exact state they were when you made the image so if all your programs have been installed when you create the image then they will be there after the restore. Anything added afterwards, programs or data, will be lost.
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09 Jun 2015   #1394
RedLad

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
1. An image is everything on the partition so yes it will include those files.

2. When you restore an image you restore the partitions to the exact state they were when you made the image so if all your programs have been installed when you create the image then they will be there after the restore. Anything added afterwards, programs or data, will be lost.
Thanks for clearing it up. So I guess this is the technique IT people would use in companies for rolling out new PC's for staff. They'd just have an image built, then just distribute this to the other PC's that need that exact setup?
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09 Jun 2015   #1395
kado897

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
 
 

Yes pretty much that.
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09 Jun 2015   #1396
Kari

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RedLad View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
1. An image is everything on the partition so yes it will include those files.

2. When you restore an image you restore the partitions to the exact state they were when you made the image so if all your programs have been installed when you create the image then they will be there after the restore. Anything added afterwards, programs or data, will be lost.
Thanks for clearing it up. So I guess this is the technique IT people would use in companies for rolling out new PC's for staff. They'd just have an image built, then just distribute this to the other PC's that need that exact setup?
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
Yes pretty much that.
As Kado said, you almost nailed it . They are talking about deployment which is, to put it simple, just a fancy Geek lingo word for installation. To deploy Windows is to install Windows using a more or less customized pre-made image.

Here's a walkthrough for using deployment with Macrium made image instead of clean install on your own one or more machine network: Windows 7 Image - Customize in Audit Mode with Sysprep. It also covers relocating the Users folder to another partition.
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09 Jun 2015   #1397
kado897

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
 
 

That's very comprehensive Kari.
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13 Jun 2015   #1398
RedLad

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RedLad View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
1. An image is everything on the partition so yes it will include those files.

2. When you restore an image you restore the partitions to the exact state they were when you made the image so if all your programs have been installed when you create the image then they will be there after the restore. Anything added afterwards, programs or data, will be lost.
Thanks for clearing it up. So I guess this is the technique IT people would use in companies for rolling out new PC's for staff. They'd just have an image built, then just distribute this to the other PC's that need that exact setup?
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
Yes pretty much that.
As Kado said, you almost nailed it . They are talking about deployment which is, to put it simple, just a fancy Geek lingo word for installation. To deploy Windows is to install Windows using a more or less customized pre-made image.

Here's a walkthrough for using deployment with Macrium made image instead of clean install on your own one or more machine network: Windows 7 Image - Customize in Audit Mode with Sysprep. It also covers relocating the Users folder to another partition.
I'm a bit late replying, but thanks a mill for that link. It looks very useful. The thing is, I have already just done a clean install and will be doing a system image soon, once I get more programs installed. I will be getting a replacement SSD soon too as this current one isn't performing to what I thought it would. So hopefully I can use parts of your tutorial to do the imaging part and then get that image onto my new SSD.
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14 Jun 2015   #1399
profdlp

Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2
 
 

Here's a question:

Is it possible to use Macrium Reflect to restore a single image to multiple destination drives? For instance, if I had three identical laptops and wanted to put the same image on each of them can I do this in one shot? I would be removing the destination drives and hooking them up to a desktop computer for the imaging process.

As a corollary, could I run multiple instances of Macrium simultaneously from the same computer, each dumping a single image to a different HD?

Best Macrium tutorial there is, by the way.
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