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Windows 7: Imaging with free Macrium

02 Apr 2012   #340
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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There will be other physical drives internally connected, what issue will arise ?

That is no problem.

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Safe to assume with Macrium that the boot restore disc created with Macrium will restore the MBR, system reserved and OS partitions, not as a partition rather install the backup on the complete drive omitting creating the partition ?


To be on the safe side, I would predefine the partitions and drag system reserved and C into those (I assume you have V5 of Macrium and the WinPE recovery CD). Make sure the system reserved is marked as 'active' when you define it.

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When this is done the previous drive with the windows partition will be physically installed on the drive, will Windows recognize the new boot (restored) HDD as well as the old boot partition HDD, until I remove the old windows boot partition ?
Yes, but you have to change the BIOS to boot from this new HDD.


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02 Apr 2012   #341
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JerometheGiraff View Post
mjf - I was hoping you could answer my question ?
I haven't been around as much of late.

1) When you are doing a straight reimage and your system HDDs and partitions have not changed from when you made the image then there shouldn't be a problem. When things have changed I believe it is best to temporarily disconnect other drives so you don't get boot files on different disks. So if restoring to a new HDD disconnect the others.
If you are restoring to a new HDD then when other HDDs are disconnected it doesn't matter if things go wrong the first time. You just keep trying until you get it right. If other HDDs are connected you could affect them and create bigger headaches.
2) There have been some differences between V4.2 and V5. V5. allows you to "Restore the Windows System". This essentially does everything Windows inbuilt imaging does. The backed up MBR will be replaced.
If you haven't changed the partition structure then the existing MBR and system reserved should be fine. If you choose to replace the backed up MBR then it will have the old partition structure on it.
3) As per the WHS advice make sure the BIOS is set up to boot from your new HDD.

I now have some reservations about some Macrium documentation. As a grateful user of their free software I can't easily give them feedback about gaffs likes this:
Macrium Concern
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02 Apr 2012   #342
JerometheGiraff

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

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To be on the safe side, I would predefine the partitions and drag system reserved and C into those (I assume you have V5 of Macrium and the WinPE recovery CD). Make sure the system reserved is marked as 'active' when you define it.
What do you mean I would predefine the partitions ? Create the the partitions I had on the old drive, onto the new drive ? I don't want that. I created a backup of only the partition with Windows Boot, I was hoping I could restore only that partition onto the new HDD, and it would treat the new HDD, not as a partition but as a regular unpartitioned HDD ?
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2) There have been some differences between V4.2 and V5. V5. allows you to "Restore the Windows System". This essentially does everything Windows inbuilt imaging does. The backed up MBR will be replaced.
If you haven't changed the partition structure then the existing MBR and system reserved should be fine. If you choose to replace the backed up MBR then it will have the old partition structure on it.
Are you saying, if keep the existing partition structure from the backup it will be re-created on the new HDD, this ties into my previous question above ? ? ?

I will remove the old boot windows HDD until the new one is up, restored and running, successfully. Then I will restore the other one and wipe the boot partition from it, good advice, I was going to keep them both installed

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I now have some reservations about some Macrium documentation. As a grateful user of their free software I can't easily give them feedback about gaffs likes this:
Macrium Concern
Link doesn't work for me.
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03 Apr 2012   #343
derekimo

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JerometheGiraff View Post
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To be on the safe side, I would predefine the partitions and drag system reserved and C into those (I assume you have V5 of Macrium and the WinPE recovery CD). Make sure the system reserved is marked as 'active' when you define it.
What do you mean I would predefine the partitions ? Create the the partitions I had on the old drive, onto the new drive ? I don't want that. I created a backup of only the partition with Windows Boot, I was hoping I could restore only that partition onto the new HDD, and it would treat the new HDD, not as a partition but as a regular unpartitioned HDD ?
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2) There have been some differences between V4.2 and V5. V5. allows you to "Restore the Windows System". This essentially does everything Windows inbuilt imaging does. The backed up MBR will be replaced.
If you haven't changed the partition structure then the existing MBR and system reserved should be fine. If you choose to replace the backed up MBR then it will have the old partition structure on it.
Are you saying, if keep the existing partition structure from the backup it will be re-created on the new HDD, this ties into my previous question above ? ? ?

I will remove the old boot windows HDD until the new one is up, restored and running, successfully. Then I will restore the other one and wipe the boot partition from it, good advice, I was going to keep them both installed

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I now have some reservations about some Macrium documentation. As a grateful user of their free software I can't easily give them feedback about gaffs likes this:
Macrium Concernvip/22213...ml#post1862222
Link doesn't work for me.
Yeah, you need to be a power user or above to see the VIP lounge.

Maybe mjf can just copy the text back here for you.
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03 Apr 2012   #344
kado897

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by derekimo View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JerometheGiraff View Post
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To be on the safe side, I would predefine the partitions and drag system reserved and C into those (I assume you have V5 of Macrium and the WinPE recovery CD). Make sure the system reserved is marked as 'active' when you define it.
What do you mean I would predefine the partitions ? Create the the partitions I had on the old drive, onto the new drive ? I don't want that. I created a backup of only the partition with Windows Boot, I was hoping I could restore only that partition onto the new HDD, and it would treat the new HDD, not as a partition but as a regular unpartitioned HDD ?
Are you saying, if keep the existing partition structure from the backup it will be re-created on the new HDD, this ties into my previous question above ? ? ?

I will remove the old boot windows HDD until the new one is up, restored and running, successfully. Then I will restore the other one and wipe the boot partition from it, good advice, I was going to keep them both installed

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I now have some reservations about some Macrium documentation. As a grateful user of their free software I can't easily give them feedback about gaffs likes this:
Macrium Concernvip/22213...ml#post1862222
Link doesn't work for me.
Yeah, you need to be a power user or above to see the VIP lounge.

Maybe mjf can just copy the text back here for you.
The next entry on the thread corrects that. Apparently it says MSR (Microsoft System Reserved) rather that MBR (Master Boot Record).

Actually it is still wrong. This is the quote.

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In Windows 7 in order to create a backup that contains the whole system, you need to select the MSR partition, usually the volume with no drive letter at the beginning of the boot disk. This partition contains the Master Boot Record (MBR) and without it, Windows 7, cannot start.
I have posted in the Macrium Forum. We will see what response I get.
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03 Apr 2012   #345
kado897

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
 
 

This is the reply from Macrium Support.

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Hi

Thanks for your post.

You are correct. The line should read:

This partition contains the active Partition Boot Sector (PBS) and without it, Windows 7, cannot start.

We will update the documentation. Thanks for pointing out the error.

Kind regards

Nick - Macrium Support
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03 Apr 2012   #346
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
This is the reply from Macrium Support.

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Hi

Thanks for your post.

You are correct. The line should read:

This partition contains the active Partition Boot Sector (PBS) and without it, Windows 7, cannot start.

We will update the documentation. Thanks for pointing out the error.

Kind regards

Nick - Macrium Support
That's more like it. It wasn't a little mistake because it can cause much confusion to those trying to understand the boot process and what to backup and restore.
They are welcome to use my words (big head smilie)
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17 Apr 2012   #347
JerometheGiraff

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

I can't recall if this was mentioned in this thread, I'm trying to boot to a new HDD. Unfortunately Windows is not booting, a theory is that the 100 MB Windows partition is not loading and unable to find the active Windows partition. I came across this thread. Macrium successfully restored the partition, but if the partition on the new HDD is not set to active, how do I solve ?
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17 Apr 2012   #348
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

With the bootable CD of Partition Wizard (see link on the left side of the webpage). Once the PW window is up, highlight the 100MB partition and click the Partition tab (on top). The controls you are looking for are under 'Modify'.

If another partition is marked as 'active', deactivate that first - also under Modify.
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17 Apr 2012   #349
JerometheGiraff

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

The partition and the image was restored to D: (logical partition) with Macrium Reflect boot CD. The original partition was C:, Macrium decided to make it D: does this make a difference ? And when I start up the PC I get "disk error, non-system disk or disk error" does this relate to the same thing ? Any of the info given change anything or must I use PM and create the 100 MB partition ? Will I have to restore my image again or no ?
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