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Windows 7: Force DVI/HDMI resolutions and refresh rates

29 Jun 2009   #50
BigBro10

Windows 7
 
 

Im sure they'll fix it for RTM...although personally i think its you/your hardware.


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29 Jun 2009   #51
bobdynlan

Windows 98SE
 
 

Back from the holidays... and I see Mufas skipped this warning:
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bobdynlan View Post
Before any hardware modification you must create your monitor profile in Phoenix EDID Designer or other compatible software.
I'll be back with a more detailed procedure, until then you should know it is very important to have a EDID, for this guide - or any other - to work. So don't skip ahead to the breaking of pins, because you will loose that thing you need.
Most monitors do have this extended display identification capability (before the pin breaking) but if you cannot get a EDID dump from your monitor it means:
a) the monitor is ancient = very old CRT that you should replace
b) it has the hardware mod already.
c) could be blocked in software on some ATI cards with some old catalyst (just check Use Extended Display Identification Data (EDID) or driver defaults near Maximum resolution and Maximum refresh rate combo boxes)
In the first two cases, you must find a compatible EDID dump from someone who has the same manufacturer/class/model display like you or recreate a suitable one based on printed manuals and datasheets.

So, after you got a EDID dump from your monitor, after you edited it to your likings, after you have created a monitor driver (*.INF) and only then, you go on breaking pins and stuff, and update the Generic Non-Pnp monitor driver with your custom INF.

Mufas, I guess is not a problem for you to replace your modded cable with the original one, unless you skipped the second warning about not modding unreplaceable cables But congratulation for your success at breaking the correct pin at the first try, HHawk did it at two.
Trippytrip, is your monitor detected as Plug and Play? Pheonix only reads from Windows registry, cannot get a EDID dump - literally. Wait for the detailed procedure, you will need to get in the breaking pins wagon, too.
oidicle, most users gave up and live with this 59hz, you can fix it to 60hz following baarod's guide but it's up to you. You should know that this is not a big deal like it is on CRT monitors. All new displays supports 59hz and 60hz presets as demanded by the VESA standards. Games tend to dislike 59hz preset, movies tend to like them.

The thing with Hz is that is a measure of oscillation, maybe we like it a round steady number but it never is. I live in a PAL world, movies are at 25fps, TVs are at 50(100)Hz, electricity is at 50hz, everybody is happy
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29 Jun 2009   #52
baarod

El Capitan / Windows 10
 
 

You can use moninfo to get the edid directly and then save it for use with phoenix to edit then load back into moninfo to create the INF. Where'd all this pin breaking stuff come from anyway? I've never had to do that and I'm up to 23 different displays without a failure. Please read this for more information: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device...edid_over.mspx
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30 Jun 2009   #53
oidicle

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, 7600.20647 RTM
 
 

So I'm not the only one who has this issue... I think I'm one of the people who like a 'round, steady number'.... I'l try fixing to 60Hz, but I guess once I start phoenix I fear I might mess up....
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19 Jul 2009   #54
f27wreck

Windows 7 RC
 
 

Just wanted to chime in - I was having the same problem w/ Windows 7 on my 8800 GTX.

I tried virtually everything here, to no avail, but when I was adding my resolution through the NVidia control panel this last time, I selected "GTF" for "Timing Standard" under the advanced settings portion of the dialogue box. For some reason, that allowed me to specify my refresh rate (120) - tested it, checked out, so I loaded it in Quake Live and sure enough, it worked.

I had ran this program - NVIDIA Forums > Refresh Rate Patcher 1.0.1 - "Refresh Rate Patcher," but that didn't work. I don't know if it's a combination of things, or what not, but the GTF option might be worth a shot for those who haven't tried it.

Happy gaming. =o

focus27 | QUAKE LIVE
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19 Jul 2009   #55
oidicle

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, 7600.20647 RTM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by f27wreck View Post
Just wanted to chime in - I was having the same problem w/ Windows 7 on my 8800 GTX.

I tried virtually everything here, to no avail, but when I was adding my resolution through the NVidia control panel this last time, I selected "GTF" for "Timing Standard" under the advanced settings portion of the dialogue box. For some reason, that allowed me to specify my refresh rate (120) - tested it, checked out, so I loaded it in Quake Live and sure enough, it worked.

I had ran this program - NVIDIA Forums > Refresh Rate Patcher 1.0.1 - "Refresh Rate Patcher," but that didn't work. I don't know if it's a combination of things, or what not, but the GTF option might be worth a shot for those who haven't tried it.

Happy gaming. =o

focus27 | QUAKE LIVE
Niice, thanx dude, that did the trick...
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20 Jul 2009   #56
f27wreck

Windows 7 RC
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by oidicle View Post
Niice, thanx dude, that did the trick...
Werd! I wonder why the GTF option works ... I mean, I was -> <- close to doing the pin mod. =o

Anywho, glad it works. I'm going to reload Steam (haven't gotten it back up since my upgrade to Windows 7) and test it w/ some other games, but since Quake Live is openGL, I imagine we're in the clear. =O
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29 Jul 2009   #57
VDV

Windows 7
 
 

Hi there !

Got the "59hz bug" in seven too. Unfortunately, my screen (a samsung flat screen TV connected with VGA) simply don't show anything except "format not supported"... It only happens for 1920*1080@60hz... which is of course, the resolution I want to get...

Tried to get the Edid from moninfo > "Invalid EDID"
Tried to get from SoftMCCS > "DDC/CI not supported"

Sooooo... I connected my TV with a DVI > HDMI cable, DDC/CI is still unsupported, bug moninfo gives me something for this "generic pnp monitor".

Question is : can I use the DVI generic edid to create the "VGA" .inf ? Is there any risk to try this ? Some lines and parameters refer to "digital input"... what should I do ?

N.B. : Don't tell me to keep DVI connection, because I can't (and don't want) for numerous reasons. My VGA SHOULD work (it worked with vista...).

Bonus question : is there a way to activate 1920*1080@24/48hz ?

Thanks !
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29 Jul 2009   #58
pcsx2fan

Windows 7 Home Basic N x86
 
 

My 21'' CRT support highest 160Hz on 800 by 600 and 163Hz on 640 by 480, they perfectly work on Vista without EDID modification by means of custom resolution on NVIDIA control panel.

As of windows 7 required EDID modification. Phoneix EDID Designer doesn't allow refresh rate higher than 123Hz, it says Refresh Rate must be between 60 and 123. How do i get rid of that 123Hz limitation? any ideas? or Gotta remove the 12th pin?
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03 Aug 2009   #59
bobdynlan

Windows 98SE
 
 
nVidia has fixed this 7-only issue at least in 190.38

I have been waiting for the RTM, hoping it will fix this 7-only issue. Well...it did not. And why should it?! It was nVidia's problem all along. After so many complaints, nVidia FIXED the custom resolution tool for people still using the VGA interface, too. Just in time for the official launch of Windows Seven. From the release notes, I guess it is fixed since 186.18, only tested it now, after removing my hardware pin mod

From the 186.18 nVidia Driver Release Notes: Display Driver Updates - Device Support
Added support for EDID‐like devices.

From the 190.38 nVidia Driver Release Notes: Single GPU Issues
•After creating a custom resolution with refresh rate of 59 Hz, the new resolution
appears in the Add Resolutions page at 60 Hz and the corresponding check box is
not checked. [571459]

Still not perfect, but it works, the most important thing being that the hardware pin mod is NOT REQUIRED anymore for the few users (including me) that found simple driver modding not working, and had to block the "wrong" EDID reported by the monitor because it was enforced by Windows.

Nvidia driver 185.85 = not working on any 7 version without the pin mode
Nvidia driver 190.38 + Windows 7 RC (7100) = custom resolution working
Nvidia driver 190.38 + Windows 7 RTM (7600) = custom resolution working

Of course this would not work on the default Generic PnP Monitor driver, you still need to get a driver from your manufacturer or create one using the guide above.
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