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Windows 7: Force DVI/HDMI resolutions and refresh rates

03 Aug 2009   #60
pcsx2fan

Windows 7 Home Basic N x86
 
 

I've installed Windows 7 RTM Home Premium (7600) as well as Nvidia driver 190.38, Updated customized EDID driver for my CRT.

Now I can stay at 1024 by 768 with 120Hz, but cannot Create Custom Resolution higher than 120Hz in NVIDIA Control Panel. Unable to create 1024 by 768 with 150Hz like I can do on Vista.

Just my speculation: As I said before, the maximum refresh rate created in EDID with Phoneix EDID Designer cannot exceed 123Hz. So that I cannot create refresh rate higher than 123Hz in any resolution. Thus any CRT have been able to handle above 123Hz gotta downgrade to 123Hz if supported or 120Hz without 12th pin removal.

I dunno. Maybe there is software can modify EDID without refresh rate limitation.


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03 Aug 2009   #61
bobdynlan

Windows 98SE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pcsx2fan View Post
Just my speculation: As I said before, the maximum refresh rate created in EDID with Phoneix EDID Designer cannot exceed 123Hz. So that I cannot create refresh rate higher than 123Hz in any resolution. Thus any CRT have been able to handle above 123Hz gotta downgrade to 123Hz if supported or 120Hz without 12th pin removal.

I dunno. Maybe there is software can modify EDID without refresh rate limitation.
The 123Hz limitation in PED is because the Hz value and the aspect ratio are stored in a single byte (disregarding negative values, minus aspect ratio reprezentation equals up to 123 (integer values) for refresh rate. This limitation is not present in Windows. I repeat, the Pin mod is not required in your case (and hopefully will never ever be required again). I have just tested a custom resolution with 150Hz, it works just fine. There is a litle shortcomming in nVidia cpl, some custom resolutions don't apear there as it's the case for my 640*480@150 test one. If you cannot see it in nVidia control panel, go on and add another one, you should see the previous ones listed there. Now go to Screen Resolution - Advanced Settings - List All Modes and search for it, you can apply it from there.


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03 Aug 2009   #62
RAMFatal1ty

Microsoft Windows 7 x86 Build 7260
 
 

this tutorial works in the W2353V for change refresh rates at 60Hz ?
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03 Aug 2009   #63
pcsx2fan

Windows 7 Home Basic N x86
 
 

tried to set 150Hz on 640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768 as always on VISTA. Reported test successful by NVIDIA Control Panel, but during 15 seconds until I click yes or no, I press setting button on Monitor it displayed 120Hz, click yes to add them anyway and they are all marked 120Hz at custom resolution list.

Still cannot use 150Hz or higher at all. My CRT monitor is Sony CPD-G520P.

The only thing I altered in EDID by Phoneix EDID Designer is on tab Standard Timings, change H. Active pixels of ID 5,6,7,8 to 640, 800, 1024, 1280 with all refrsh value to 120.

monitor.inf CRT Driver
Code:
; INF file generated by Monitor Asset Manager, 8/3/2009
; Copyright (c) EnTech Taiwan, 1995-2009.
; Internet: http://www.entechtaiwan.com

[Version]
Signature="$WINDOWS NT$"
Class=Monitor
ClassGUID={4d36e96e-e325-11ce-bfc1-08002be10318}
Provider=%MFG%
DriverVer=8/3/2009, 1.0.0.0
;CatalogFile=YourSignedCatalogFile.cat

[DestinationDirs]
DefaultDestDir=23

[SourceDisksNames]
1=%DISC%

[SourceDisksFiles]
;YourColorProfileFile.icm

[Manufacturer]
%VENDOR%=EDID_OVERRIDE,NTx86,NTamd64

[EDID_OVERRIDE.NTx86]
%PRODUCTID%=OVERRIDDEN-EDID.Install, MONITOR\SNY00B1

[EDID_OVERRIDE.NTamd64]
%PRODUCTID%=OVERRIDDEN-EDID.Install.NTamd64, MONITOR\SNY00B1

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID.Install.NTx86]
DelReg=DEL_CURRENT_REG
AddReg=OVERRIDDEN-EDID.AddReg, MODE1, DPMS
CopyFiles=OVERRIDDEN-EDID.CopyFiles

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID.Install.NTamd64]
DelReg=DEL_CURRENT_REG
AddReg=OVERRIDDEN-EDID.AddReg, MODE1, DPMS
CopyFiles=OVERRIDDEN-EDID.CopyFiles

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID.Install.NTx86.HW]
AddReg=OVERRIDDEN-EDID_AddReg

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID.Install.NTamd64.HW]
AddReg=OVERRIDDEN-EDID_AddReg

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID_AddReg]
;Base EDID
HKR,EDID_OVERRIDE,"0",0x01,0x00,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0x00,0x4D,0xD9,0xB1,0x00,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x17,0x0D,0x01,0x03,0x0E,0x28,0x1E,0x96,0x2B,0x0C,0xC9,0xA0,0x57,0x47,0x9B,0x27,0x12,0x48,0x4C,0xFF,0xFF,0x80,0xE1,0x4F,0xD1,0x59,0xA9,0x59,0x81,0x99,0x31,0x7C,0x45,0x7C,0x61,0x7C,0x81,0x7C,0x86,0x3D,0x00,0xC0,0x51,0x00,0x30,0x40,0x40,0xA0,0x13,0x00,0x84,0x23,0x11,0x00,0x00,0x1E,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFD,0x00,0x30,0xAA,0x1E,0x82,0x25,0x00,0x0A,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFC,0x00,0x43,0x50,0x44,0x2D,0x47,0x35,0x32,0x30,0x50,0x0A,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFF,0x00,0x38,0x30,0x32,0x36,0x37,0x36,0x37,0x0A,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x00,0x0F

[DEL_CURRENT_REG]
HKR,MODES
HKR,EDID_OVERRIDE
HKR,,MaxResolution
HKR,,DPMS
HKR,,ICMProfile

[DPMS]
HKR,,DPMS,,1

[MODE1]
HKR,,MaxResolution,,"1280,1024"

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID.AddReg]
HKR,"MODES\1280,1024",Mode1,,"30.0-130.0,48.0-170.0,+,+"

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID.CopyFiles]
;YourColorProfileFile.icm

[Strings]
MFG="EnTech Taiwan"
DISC="Monitor EDID Override Installation Disk"
PRODUCTID="Sony CPD-G520P (EDID Override)"
VENDOR="Sony"
EDID open with Notepad
Code:
EDID BYTES:
0x   00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F
    ------------------------------------------------
00 | 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 4D D9 B1 00 01 01 01 01
10 | 17 0D 01 03 0E 28 1E 96 2B 0C C9 A0 57 47 9B 27
20 | 12 48 4C FF FF 80 E1 4F D1 59 A9 59 81 99 31 7C
30 | 45 7C 61 7C 81 7C 86 3D 00 C0 51 00 30 40 40 A0
40 | 13 00 84 23 11 00 00 1E 00 00 00 FD 00 30 AA 1E
50 | 82 25 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FC 00 43
60 | 50 44 2D 47 35 32 30 50 0A 20 20 20 00 00 00 FF
70 | 00 38 30 32 36 37 36 37 0A 20 20 20 20 20 00 0F
Asset Information in MonInfo
Code:
Monitor
  Model name............... CPD-G520P
  Manufacturer............. Sony
  Plug and Play ID......... SNY00B1
  Serial number............ 8026767
  Manufacture date......... 2003, ISO week 23
  -------------------------
  EDID revision............ 1.3
  Input signal type........ Analog 0.700,0.300 (1.0V p-p)
  Sync input support....... Separate, Composite, Sync-on-green
  Display type............. RGB color
  Screen size.............. 400 x 300 mm (19.7 in)
  Power management......... Active off/sleep
  Extension blocs.......... None
  -------------------------
  DDC/CI................... n/a

Color characteristics
  Default color space...... Non-sRGB
  Display gamma............ 2.50
  Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.625 - Ry 0.340
  Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.280 - Gy 0.605
  Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.155 - By 0.070
  White point (default).... Wx 0.283 - Wy 0.298
  Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
  Horizontal scan range.... 30-130kHz
  Vertical scan range...... 48-170Hz
  Video bandwidth.......... 370MHz
  CVT standard............. Not supported
  GTF standard............. Supported
  Additional descriptors... None
  Preferred timing......... Yes
  Native/preferred timing.. 1280x1024p at 85Hz (4:3)
    Modeline............... "1280x1024" 157.500 1280 1344 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1072 +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
     720 x  400p at  70Hz - IBM VGA
     720 x  400p at  88Hz - IBM XGA2
     640 x  480p at  60Hz - IBM VGA
     640 x  480p at  67Hz - Apple Mac II
     640 x  480p at  72Hz - VESA
     640 x  480p at  75Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  56Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  60Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  72Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  75Hz - VESA
     832 x  624p at  75Hz - Apple Mac II
    1024 x  768i at  87Hz - IBM
    1024 x  768p at  60Hz - VESA
    1024 x  768p at  70Hz - VESA
    1024 x  768p at  75Hz - VESA
    1280 x 1024p at  75Hz - VESA
    1152 x  870p at  75Hz - Apple Mac II
    2048 x 1536p at  75Hz - VESA STD
    1920 x 1440p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    1600 x 1200p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    1280 x 1024p at  85Hz - VESA STD
     640 x  480p at 120Hz - VESA STD
     800 x  600p at 120Hz - VESA STD
    1024 x  768p at 120Hz - VESA STD
    1280 x  960p at 120Hz - VESA STD

Report information
  Date generated........... 8/4/2009
  Software revision........ 2.30.0.797
  Operating system......... 6.1.7600.2

Raw data
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  12,48,4C,FF,FF,80,E1,4F,D1,59,A9,59,81,99,31,7C,45,7C,61,7C,81,7C,86,3D,00,C0,51,00,30,40,40,A0,
  13,00,84,23,11,00,00,1E,00,00,00,FD,00,30,AA,1E,82,25,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,FC,00,43,
  50,44,2D,47,35,32,30,50,0A,20,20,20,00,00,00,FF,00,38,30,32,36,37,36,37,0A,20,20,20,20,20,00,0F


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04 Aug 2009   #64
bobdynlan

Windows 98SE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pcsx2fan View Post
tried to set 150Hz on 640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768 as always on VISTA
Your EDID is fine. Also tested your monitor driver enforced on my hardware, and for some reason, adding custom resolutions is not so easy as in my case, but doable. Try harder!
What you should do:
- Change to the resolution you want modded. REQUIRED!
- Modify only the GDI refresh rate and timings standard (choose GTF).
This means that if you are on 1024x768 and want to add a custom resolution for 800x600, you first have to change your desktop resolution to 800x600.
Repeat the procedure (change desktop res, open nvcpl, add res, close nvcpl) for all your custom resolutions.
Some low resolutions are not available in nVidia CPL, use Screen Resolution - Advanced Settings - List All Modes to change to them.
It should work, 120Hz is already the first sign that you are no longer limited.
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04 Aug 2009   #65
pcsx2fan

Windows 7 Home Basic N x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bobdynlan View Post
- Modify only the GDI refresh rate and timings standard (choose GTF).
My apologies. But I am new and a newbie to this and not have more idea about it. Could you explain it more detailed?

Still only use Phoneix EDID Designer to modify? Where to choose GTF, then to find "GDI refresh" and "timings standard"? I'm unable to find them in Phoneix EDID Designer.
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04 Aug 2009   #66
bobdynlan

Windows 98SE
 
 

Sorry, I meant "Refresh rate (Hz):" in the Create Custom Resolution dialog (in previous versions it wass called GDI refresh rate). And the GTF timing standard is found in the same dialog, click on the drop-down button named "Timing" and then choose GTF instead of Automatic near the Standard label.

You no longer need to customize with Phoenix Edid Designer, your driver .inf file works. I was only talking about the Create Custom Resolution.
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04 Aug 2009   #67
pcsx2fan

Windows 7 Home Basic N x86
 
 

Yay, just tested with PCSX2 and it behaved as Vista usually does. I can finally use 640x480@163Hz, 800x600@160Hz, and 1024x768@150Hz againg as always. Now it works for me and I don't have to purchase an additional CRT Cable to perform pin hack.

Thanks a bunch, man.
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13 Aug 2009   #68
logicearth

Windows 10 Pro (x64)
 
 

Just to point something out...LCDs are not really affected by refresh rates. However for LCDs, the refresh rate really deals with how often the video card sends an image to the LCD. Should also not there is a strict limitation in the DVI connection (single link). The largest resolution possible at 60 Hz is 1915 x 1436 pixels (standard 4:3 ratio), 1854 x 1483 pixels (5:4 ratio) or 2098 x 1311 (widescreen 8:5 ratio). Anything higher must lower the refresh rate, or use a dual link connection.
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25 Aug 2009   #69
tmaven

Windows 7
 
 

Hi people,
first of all i want to say that im newbie in this stuff.

- Iiyama 454, which can do 120Hz in 1280*1024
- Windows 7 RC (7100) x64
- 190.62 nvidia drivers
- GTX275
- cant use monitor drivers.. not for x64.. so i have "Generic PnP Monitor" driver

How can i set up 120Hz? I downloaded "Phoenix 1.3", but i dont understand what to do in.. So im stucked at 85Hz. In nvidia control panel i can choose 120Hz but its still 85Hz.

Can someone help me?


edit:
it can work with 182.50 vista x64 drivers + refresh lock.. but some games are ****ed
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