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Windows 7: XP MODE - a disappointment and not fit for purpose

17 Jun 2009   #21
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

It uses a virtual video card if you look in the device manager there. Attempts at simply trying to install the ATI catalyst were pointless resulting in error messages to that effect. That also makes it useless for your regular separately installed games lacking DX, full 3D, OpenGL support.

The first image here shows how that looks in the DM. The second shows the much wider window seen on the host 64bit 7 install over the second. That covers quite a bit more of the desktop then the limited window on the second suggesting something didn't go quite right with the installation.




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17 Jun 2009   #22
OEM

OS3.5
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
It uses a virtual video card if you look in the device manager there. Attempts at simply trying to install the ATI catalyst were pointless resulting in error messages to that effect. That also makes it useless for your regular separately installed games lacking DX, full 3D, OpenGL support.

The first image here shows how that looks in the DM. The second shows the much wider window seen on the host 64bit 7 install over the second. That covers quite a bit more of the desktop then the limited window on the second suggesting something didn't go quite right with the installation.
Yea, was curious about a lot of drivers and whether or not to install them. In DM there was a few unknown items, right clicking and choosing update driver failed. Also when installing the dell notebook system software, it failed as well. Everything seems to be working, so I'm not sure loading any drivers are necessary.

Can't blame ya though for trying to load the more preferred video drivers. It sure would make for a better vm experience.
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17 Jun 2009   #23
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

You won't be able to install device drivers from the start. The yellow marked items seen in the image are for the video, sound, and tv tuner cards installed here.

As mentioned before the one thing you can change is the amount of memory allocated for the XP mode or any other custom install like having Vista on the VPC as well. What suffers for Vista but not seen with the XP mode is access to the host drive itself or any other except for the dvd drive being seen.

As for Windows updates those go right on without problem. You'll notice IE 8 is on as well as actually having both SP1 and SP2 for Vista installed since those are strictly Windows related there. Besides being able to get online and run the old programs you are still rather limited to the virtual drive itself except for the XP mode when using the VPC.
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27 Jun 2009   #24
linuzo

Windows 7 Build 7100
 
 

Only thing I used XP Mode for was for IETester because some reason it doesn't work in Win7. Maybe because there was no IE6/7 Support since it ships with IE8. I really hope they get rid of IE6 soon for us coders sakes. It doesn't support half the code nowadays and we will see what happens.
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27 Jun 2009   #25
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

IE 7 has already been out for over two years now and would have been included in the updated SP2 prior to the SP3 disks now seen. For those still using the older XP pre SP1, SP1, and SP2 disks like the one still sitting around idle here all you need to do is simply look at your regular updates to move on from any new XP install or download either IE 7 or 8 directly from the MS downloads page seen at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/e...n&categoryid=6

In fact just about all Windows updates for XP or Vista for Windows will go right on either the XP mode itself or Vista run on the new Virtual PC beta.
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28 Jun 2009   #26
raj11650

win 7 build 7600.16385 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi all
1) It's as slow as molasses - even on a FAST QUAD 16 MB host machine.
may be u should assign more RAM for XP mode!!!
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28 Jun 2009   #27
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

I slapped 2.5gb out of the 4gb installed here without question to insure enough would be available on the latest XP mode install. But I also installed Vista on the new VPC as well. Force of habit I guess!

Lately I actually backed up the first XP mode vhd and allowed it with the updates on to overwrite a fresh install of both the VPC and XP mode on a second clean install of the 64bit 7 once the new XP mode was first checked out to make sure it was working.

When loading the old by the shortcut everything came right up. The previously backed up vmc and vhd was configured with only 1.5gb and works well just the same. That shows it was written to be effective without as much demand for memory unless the programs run on it require a larger amount of ram to begin with.
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28 Jun 2009   #28
copernicus

7264x64/7260x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by raj1402 View Post
may be u should assign more RAM for XP mode!!!
i7 system, I assigned 2 gigs to the virtual machine, it's still crawls on occasion
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28 Jun 2009   #29
stormy13
Microsoft MVP

Win 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Probably has a lot to do with what the VM is based on,



How much to you really expect out of the old 440BX chipset and S3 Trio graphics?
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28 Jun 2009   #30
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Awwww crap! I was wondering why the fresh install of the XP mode lately was a little sluggish. I only had 256mb of ram allocated!


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