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Windows 7: XP MODE - a disappointment and not fit for purpose

03 Jan 2010   #31
oldman1881

win 7 pro
 
 

I think it is not a good vm software as I even can not boot from CD or ISO too. or i may be stupid.


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03 Jan 2010   #32
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi all
I've re-visited this again -- while it's now better than the Beta mode it is STILL LIGHT YEARS away from the speed of running XP in the latest version of vmware workstation - workstation 7 which will support proper 3-D (good also if you want AERO in a W7 Virtual machine) and will give you nearly NATIVE speed for the guest OS.

Vmware SERVER is also an excellent solution for a small office LAN as it's FREE. VBOX might also be OK too but I'm not sure about running in a commercial organisation. You might have to pay for a licence in this case -- I don't know as I use vmware products.

As I posted initially -- this was a GREAT idea but really hobbled by poor design and performance.

Here are just TWO of the main drawbacks to running this as an everday solution.

1) USB device drivers (and other legacy hardware such as firewire / SCSI devices e.g Negative Film Scanners, CAD drawing equipment etc etc) cannot be installed to the Virtual machine running in "XP Mode".

This restriction of course will also render a lot of perfectly satisfactory older printers totally unusable.

2) Applications themselves do not install easily / properly when using XP mode.

Having thought about this for a while I've definitely come to the conclusion that if one needs these sorts of legacy apps in an office it's better to define an XP Virtual Machine on the Server network and allow users to log on to it either via Corporate VPN or just plain standard RDP.

A little more work but a far more pleasant experience for the user.

(A Virtual 2003 XP server runs RINGS around XP mode and can be used by many users concurrently as well. -- Note that here the Cost of the XP server isn't normally an issue in an Office LAN compared with the cost of maintaining a multitude of different systems).

The Idea WAS fine -- but I think its time has been and gone -- one is far far better off taking a little longer in learning the principles of Virtualisation and then using a "Classical VM" than trying to "Cludge in" some half baked solution which doesn't actually do the job MOST people are trying to do.

Cheers
jimbo
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03 Jan 2010   #33
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by oldman1881 View Post
I think it is not a good vm software as I even can not boot from CD or ISO too. or i may be stupid.
The XP Mode is self contained and loads up automatically when started. For mounting an iso a separate program called VirtualCloneDrive simulates a virtual optical drive there. You won't use that while running a VMachine however.

The one thing the XP Mode has over all the rest is the integrated components support option that allows direct access to more then a floppy or one dvd drive as seen with Virtual Box and other programs. With the XP Mode you can open any drive including usb flash drives.
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04 Jan 2010   #34
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by oldman1881 View Post
I think it is not a good vm software as I even can not boot from CD or ISO too. or i may be stupid.
The XP Mode is self contained and loads up automatically when started. For mounting an iso a separate program called VirtualCloneDrive simulates a virtual optical drive there. You won't use that while running a VMachine however.

The one thing the XP Mode has over all the rest is the integrated components support option that allows direct access to more then a floppy or one dvd drive as seen with Virtual Box and other programs. With the XP Mode you can open any drive including usb flash drives.
Hi Nighthawk -- Happy New Year

Being able to access ALL the drives is really a "Very small" feature -- most "Office" type users are quite capable of using Networked drives so accessing disks on a networked machine is no problem whatsoever for these types of users.

Using older legacy printers / scanners IS a problem which XP mode won't be able to solve in a lot of cases -- offices etc renew their hardware at far longer intervals than home users.

If the only advantage to XP mode is to be able to open any disk / usb drive then that really isn't a significant advantage as to what's available already.

The base idea was to allow legacy apps to operate seamlessly from a W7 desktop -- great idea but flawed implementation.

By using a server you can still create desktop items on W7 which will directly connect you to the relevant legacy application -- with MUCH better performance too.

XP mode IMO now is only of use in a trivially small number of cases and for HOME computers only. For any sort of office LAN using a virtual XP 2003 server makes far more sense and people don't have any troouble using a VPN or RDP.

I've trialled some users with XP mode and the "Classical" vm route via RDP / VPN --- guess what the VPN / RDP route wins by a UNIVERSE.

I really think XP mode won't figure at all in businesses upgrading to W7. Full blown Virtualisation might well do so - especially if costs can be bought done at this level.

Cheers
jimbo
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