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Windows 7: VMLite - an alternative Windows XP Mode impl

21 Aug 2009   #11
chuckr

XP_Pro, W7_7201, W7RC.vhd, SciLinux5.3, Fedora12, Fedora9_2x, OpenSolaris_09-06
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
They cannot be bundling Windows XP as part of the package...not legally that is. I think this is simply going to be another VM software package that allows you to setup and configure virtual machines. The VM's themselves will have to be provided by the end-user.
I think so too.

Something like the Z package for lite, but for virtual.

Module-maneuvering using batch files...

User provides source.


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22 Aug 2009   #12
dmex

 

This is just VirtualBox rebranded with a different name and Icon, If they plan to compete with XP mode they need full desktop integration like XP Mode currently does
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22 Aug 2009   #13
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

They are likely providing a medium where you can use any XP disk to install onto vhd. Otherwise they would running into some big problems fast there!
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22 Aug 2009   #14
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dmex View Post
This is just VirtualBox rebranded with a different name and Icon, If they plan to compete with XP mode they need full desktop integration like XP Mode currently does
Could you please elaborate on why this "full desktop integration" feature like XP Mode is such a key feature? I've used XP mode and it's speed is horrible compared to Sun Virtual Box. What am I really missing out on by not using this VM with it's "full desktop integration". Are you talking about running the apps by themselves...because those started abysmally slow? Are you talking about fact that Virtual machine has full access to host hard drives? Because to me that seems like a security issue as 1 major reason for using VM's is to sandbox what you are doing and to ensure no harm can come to your host OS.
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22 Aug 2009   #15
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

From use here you can see more done since you have full access to drives even a usb flash drive while the typical VM is limited to the vhd itself! I had to grab a 3rd party program called Grabinet in order to upload and then download files onto the vhs through WLM in order to get things on there!

The XP mode is full while VMs while the VBox may offer a few options like rasing things like video memory from 12mb to 128mb and two options for sound you are cut off from drectly installing programs from disk! The XP mode now offers printer support as well as direct access to drives and usb devices like a printeer.
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22 Aug 2009   #16
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
From use here you can see more done since you have full access to drives even a usb flash drive while the typical VM is limited to the vhd itself!
VirtualBox can handle USB drives.

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I had to grab a 3rd party program called Grabinet in order to upload and then download files onto the vhs through WLM in order to get things on there!
VirtualBox can also do shared folders. So, you go into Vbox settings, and indicate which folders you want shared. Then after loading the Vbox Tools, you can map these shared folders just like a mapped drive. Personally though, I just copy via the network rather than setting up shares. I like to keep security tight on VM's and I don't want them having access to my host system.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
The XP mode now offers printer support as well as direct access to drives and usb devices like a printeer.
My printers at home are actually network printers...so they aren't directly connected to my workstation. So, I don't know how Vbox and so forth works with them, since I haven't had a need.

I think it's pretty clear that I'm not missing out on any critical features. I can easily set up the USB devices and shared folders if needed in exchange for the significant increase in performance that other VM tools give me over Windows XP Mode.
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22 Aug 2009   #17
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

I'm not the usual VB but the Portable VB on a usb flash drive to start with. I still haven't gotten around to installing the version you normally see go onto the main drive on this 7 install.


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23 Aug 2009   #18
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
From use here you can see more done since you have full access to drives even a usb flash drive while the typical VM is limited to the vhd itself! I had to grab a 3rd party program called Grabinet in order to upload and then download files onto the vhs through WLM in order to get things on there!

The XP mode is full while VMs while the VBox may offer a few options like rasing things like video memory from 12mb to 128mb and two options for sound you are cut off from drectly installing programs from disk! The XP mode now offers printer support as well as direct access to drives and usb devices like a printeer.
Hi there

In a typical vm you can have direct access to ALL the Hosts drives if you enable at least "Host only Networking" and if you activate either "Bridged" or "NAT" networking your VM should be able to acess ANY allowed drive on your network.

You don't need the XP mode just for that functionality.

The basic idea of XP mode was great - any user could basically just run an application from the main (host) menu screen without having to bother starting a Virtual machine or having to install something like vmware workstation or Virtual box first.

However currently IMO the "seamless" integration isn't quite as seamless as it should be and compared with running a VM under vmware or even Virtual box then the performance is quite HORRIFIC.

I don't think XP mode is quite ready for "Prime time" yet but I hope MS continue with it and considerably improve its performance as it could be fine for people in a small office environment without separate IT support who want to upgrade to W7 and still run legacy applications.

At the moment typical office users will find the program just too slow to be anything other than frustrating and there will be a huge rush back to any native XP machine still running the old apps when they need those.

Incidentally for the best "Free" performance for your vm's run them on something like VMWARE server - its free but a bit of a dog to get working - especially if you are not installing it on a server class OS such as Windows 2008 server or W2003 server.

I'd go for installing vmware server on say a W2008 R2 server and enable either a W2003 server virtual machine or a number of XP virtual machines

Once you've got the vm's running you could then enable the W2003 server virtual machine on to be acessible by the users to access their legacy windows XP applications or depending on the nature of the applications and number of concurrent users fire up individual XP virtual machines on the W2008 server machine which could be individually accessed.

The W2003 server will run the XP legacy apps quite nicely and is quite an efficient (even now) OS.

Setting up however requires a bit of expertise here which might not be readily available in a small office.

The problem here with the vmware server (V2) is that often the Console interface is a Web gui which needs to be run from a separate machine - and that if you are already running an IIS server on something like W7 you cant have 2 concurrent instances running (I.e 2 web sites up and running at the same time) so you need to shut down the default one so you can manage your VM's.

If you CAN get it working then a huge advantage for a lot of people is that you can set the Virtual Machines to start / shut down automatically when the Host starts / shuts down.

This is important if you have a set of "production" vm's - otherwise if the host re-boots for example after applying updates your VM's are not acessible until someone has logged on to the host and powered on the Virtual machines.

Cheers
jimbo
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23 Aug 2009   #19
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

In a typical VM the vhd is still on the host drive just like the XP mode itself. The portable vm on the other hand works on a usb drive or external hard drive there limited by the usb bus itself. Even on the custom install of the 32bit RC on the Virtual PC the drive options are still found limited to floppy, optical there.


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23 Aug 2009   #20
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
another reason for using Virtal Box or vmware products.

No problem running a Virtual machine from a USB stick / Usb drive and you can add extra "Virtual Disk" drives to the vm provided your usb stick / drive has extra space. Drives can be either SCSI or IDE.

If you want you can also create the extra drive on an internal disk but that's not such a good idea if you want the vm to be self contained on the usb device.

Cheers
jimbo
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