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Windows 7: To XP Mode or not to XP Mode

23 Feb 2010   #1
louwho

Windows 7
 
 
To XP Mode or not to XP Mode

I was trying to get Adobe Illustrator 10 to work in Windows 7 Ultimate. It installed OK, but would not run. I was pointed to the XP Mode model. I almost get the impression (from this forum), that there is not really any difference in installing the older version of Illustrator on XP mode\Virtual PC, and installing it on my separate XP VM that runs in VMWare. Yet, when I talked with the tech at Staples earlier today, he gave me the impression that there is a difference. He said that when using the VMWare VM, that I would have to start VMWare, then open the XP VM, then start Illustrator. He said that if I use XP Mode\Virtual PC, that basically I can just run Illustrator (something about it always being there and ready to run). Can someone explain this to me? I can install VMWare and run it without having to change anything in BIOS, why do I have to do this for XP Mode and Virtual PC? IF it is always there, then I am always using the additional memory allocated to the virtual PC?


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23 Feb 2010   #2
KazeNoKoe23

Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1
 
 

Applications installed in XP Mode will appear in your 7 Start Menu under Windows XP Applications. You won't be using all the memory allocated to the VM, just what's required to run XP Mode + the app you want to open, and when the app opens, it will appear almost as if it were a native 7 app.

Personally I'd never listen to a Staples tech, but in this case, he's not entirely wrong.
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23 Feb 2010   #3
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

While XP mode does allow you to run apps as if they were installed on your host machine...the first time that you go to launch said application..you will know for sure that it is not. Startup takes 60+ seconds for many apps as it starts up the virtual environment and then loads the application.

I would suggest using VMWare Player 3.0. It will boot the OS in about 1/2 the time and then you can just launch the app within the virtual machine. And VMWare Player 3.0 has Unity mode which runs very similarly to XP modes application mode. And you can install XP Mode and then from with within Player, you can convert the XP mode into a VMWare format.

Give it a shot. it's free and it works great.
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24 Feb 2010   #4
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
I agree with pparks1 -- vmware player is a great piece of software.

Note you can ONLY use XP mode if you are at Windows 7 Professional and Up (it won't run on Windows Home premium).

Two other possible snags against XP mode are

1)- it requires the Virtualisation feature enabled in your BIOS -- this probably isn't such an issue with machine bought recently (3Q 2009 / 1Q 2010) but could be a problem if your computer was manaufactured a year ago or more.

2) Although improved recently it runs AS SLOW as molasses - unless you have some real high level hardware.

against that the drawback with vmware is that YOU have to provide a licensed copy of XP to install and create your Virtual machine - but the flexibility and performance of the vmware product compared with XP mode IMO makes this a "No Brainer".

You will also have to start the Virtual machine as well in order to use your application and you will have to enable some type of Network printing if your printer is either on your LAN or attached to the HOST. There's posts in the forum on how to set this up as well even if the printer is attached to your HOST and running W7 X-64.


To pparks1 -- converting XP mode to vmware format -- Nice one haven't tried that -- but does the XP system ask for a (re-) activation.

Note also that you can't download and install the XP mode software on W7 HOME premium and lower editions of W7.

Cheers
jimbo
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24 Feb 2010   #5
win7

Windows 7 Enterprise SP1 x64 Windows 8 Enterprise RTM x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
1)- it requires the Virtualisation feature enabled in your BIOS -- this probably isn't such an issue with machine bought recently (3Q 2009 / 1Q 2010) but could be a problem if your computer was manaufactured a year ago or more.
Exactly the problem i have....
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08 Apr 2010   #6
Slimer

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by win7 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
1)- it requires the Virtualisation feature enabled in your BIOS -- this probably isn't such an issue with machine bought recently (3Q 2009 / 1Q 2010) but could be a problem if your computer was manaufactured a year ago or more.
Exactly the problem i have....
Hardware virtualization is no longer required to run XP Mode (Windows Virtual PC: FAQ)

Is hardware virtualization a must-have to run Windows XP Mode?

No. Windows XP Mode can be run on a CPU without hardware virtualization.


Edit: Sorry, I didn't realize this info was already posted.
Windows XP Mode now accessible to more PCs
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