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Windows 7: XP Mode

15 Apr 2010   #31
squall leonhart

Windows 7
 
 

The mere fact it is limited to 16bpp with integration says microsoft really did some Quality work on XP Mode, considering other software which offers similar, if not better integration equivalents have no such problems.

By default, XPMode installs as a sluggish, somewhat bloated (ok very bloated) virtual hard disk, which like most preinstalls does not allow for the post install cleanup that installing a personal copy of XP into one of the other VM's would provide.

It also makes use of IDE emulation which utilises more CPU cycles then necessary when accessing the virtual hdd, while others with sata emulation have no such problem, and then you have supposed experts ranting at others about it not being as bad "WHEN THEY HAD TO CHANGE PREDEFINED SETTINGS AND REGISTRY ITEMS THEMSELVES".

XPMode is crippled by default and by design, that much is a fact. So stop trying to sell it like it isn't.


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Simply not true.
Was true for me, but considering it only emulates a 4MB video chip, i don't expect it capable of spectacular results, so 16bpp would probably perform better for desktop functions anyway. considering windows XP required a 16MB gfx card for anything more then word processing anyway.


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15 Apr 2010   #32
Dark Nova Gamer

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth View Post
So very wrong. See screenshot below. Just installed the XP Mode image from Microsoft not 30 minutes ago. (No tweaks used)
If that was directed at me, I meant with it being integrated. Which I believe is default (and only allows 16-bit by default).

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by squall leonhart View Post
By default, XPMode installs as a sluggish, somewhat bloated (ok very bloated) virtual hard disk, which like most preinstalls does not allow for the post install cleanup that installing a personal copy of XP into one of the other VM's would provide.
Really? Look at my system specs. Tell me, why is it I can run XP Mode perfectly, no slowness, without it feeling bloated, with only 2GB of RAM and a 2.8GHz CPU (removed my O.C. and tested it again). USING the default RAM settings for the VM might I add.

If any one here has problems with XP Mode being slow, and they have better system specs then myself, then its either user error or somethings off with the machines settings.

If you really have that many grudges against XP Mode then simply do not use it. No need to sit here and bash it.
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15 Apr 2010   #33
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DarkNovaGamer View Post
If you really have that many grudges against XP Mode then simply do not use it. No need to sit here and bash it.
I'm not here to bash XP Mode, but I really feel that performance with this product is lacking. And because I feel that I get better performance with other products and many here are quite performance centric, I feel compelled to share my knowledge or experiences so others can make good choices.

Today, I decided to run a few more stop watch timed tests between Windows XP Mode and VMWare Player 3.0 running the same XP Mode which was converted using the built-in VMWare Player 3.0 XP Mode conversion tool. Both VM's are installed onto the same physical WD Caviar Black HDD. Both VM's have 512MB of RAM assigned to them, both are running 16 bit color at 1440x900 resolution. Both had Open Office 3.2 installed with JRE, version 6 update 18.

Time to complete with XP Mode: (Times are cumulative)
  • Boot to Windows XP desktop with no hourglass: 40 seconds
  • Launch Open Office Writer and Open Office Calc and close both: 56 seconds
  • Time to restart and get back to desktop with no hourglass: 2:02
Time to complete with VMWare Player 3.0 (Times are cumulative)
  • Boot to Windows XP desktop with no hourglass: 17 seconds
  • Launch Open Office Writer and Open Office Calc and close both: 32 second
  • Time to restart and get back to desktop with no hourglass : 1:04
So, as you can see, XP Mode under VMWare Player 3.0 is pretty much 2x as fast as XP Mode natively. I think that says alot.
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15 Apr 2010   #34
Dark Nova Gamer

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DarkNovaGamer View Post
If you really have that many grudges against XP Mode then simply do not use it. No need to sit here and bash it.
I'm not here to bash XP Mode, but I really feel that performance with this product is lacking. And because I feel that I get better performance with other products and many here are quite performance centric, I feel compelled to share my knowledge or experiences so others can make good choices.

Today, I decided to run a few more stop watch timed tests between Windows XP Mode and VMWare Player 3.0 running the same XP Mode which was converted using the built-in VMWare Player 3.0 XP Mode conversion tool. Both VM's are installed onto the same physical WD Caviar Black HDD. Both VM's have 512MB of RAM assigned to them, both are running 16 bit color at 1440x900 resolution. Both had Open Office 3.2 installed with JRE, version 6 update 18.

Time to complete with XP Mode: (Times are cumulative)
  • Boot to Windows XP desktop with no hourglass: 40 seconds
  • Launch Open Office Writer and Open Office Calc and close both: 56 seconds
  • Time to restart and get back to desktop with no hourglass: 2:02
Time to complete with VMWare Player 3.0 (Times are cumulative)
  • Boot to Windows XP desktop with no hourglass: 17 seconds
  • Launch Open Office Writer and Open Office Calc and close both: 32 second
  • Time to restart and get back to desktop with no hourglass : 1:04
So, as you can see, XP Mode under VMWare Player 3.0 is pretty much 2x as fast as XP Mode natively. I think that says alot.
Everything after squall leonhart's quote in my last post was directed towards squall leonhart.
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16 Apr 2010   #35
huffman

Windows 7 Pro
 
 

I had not realized that VMware Player was free, but now I have it and it is installed in Windows 7. That is easy part and as far as I have gone do far.

I found the instructions to install XP Pro in VMWare Player at:
VMware Player with your own Windows XP Professional Virtual Machine

It looks a little complicated, but hopefully I can deceifter it.

I understand also that XP Mode can be installed into VMWare Player also, but the glitch as I see it, is that XP Mode has to be installed before VMWare Player. I have NOT been able to install XP Mode, always get an error.

Run XP Mode on Windows 7 Machines Without Hardware Virtualization - How-To Geek

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IF XP Mode can be installed after VMWare Player I sure would like to know how.
I make an Acronis Image after each step so if I screw it up, I can always go back. I do plan on experimenting some.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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22 Apr 2010   #36
huffman

Windows 7 Pro
 
 

I tried both VMware Player and Sun Virtual Box. I never could get VMware to work, but VBox installed easily and is easy to setup. It is now working how I want it to work.

With VBox and using usb DVD, thumb memory and wireless mouse and keyboard you do have to add a couple of filters but those easily handled.

I do recomment the VBox as an alternative to XP Mode.
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