The Transfer of OEM Licenses from a dead PC to Another PC

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  1. Posts : 15,808
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       #71

    Nothing new about statutory or equivalent rights being unassailable.

    E.G. There is a minimum wage in the UK.

    Because people are desperate for work, it might be possible to get them to sign a contract to work for 1 an hour.

    Not valid, of course. I expect you can see why.

    Individual rights have to be protected.
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  2. Posts : 21,007
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       #72

    Layback Bear said:
    Because of all the legal issues in the E.U. between OEM and Retail I believe one of them will go.
    Microsoft being a company trying to make money the cheaper one will go.
    Microsoft will make one Windows operating system and wright a new agreement and one price. The price will be a lot higher to all of us all over the world.
    Microsoft has got to be tired of the court games in the E.U. so the rest of the world will have to also pay the price.

    I buy OEM and I agreed to the terms knowing the limitations. I saved money.
    I don't believe I will be able to save money in the future.
    I don't understand agreeing to terms and living by them is such a problem.

    If one wants the advantages of a Retail Windows then buy a Retail version and leave the rest of us around the world alone that are happy with OEM and the cheaper cost.
    Absolutely agree with Layback I shall always buy OEM simply because the retail is so much more expensive and tied to one machine at a time anyway.
    If I have problems then I can use the tutorial of Greg rocker to install.
    Frankly what goes on in Europe is a ruddy joke and is not limited to Microsoft for example I sent my brother on the UK a machine I had built with Kaspersky installed and configured for him only to find that the version form out here will not work in the UK.
    All in all the whole business reeks of greed and political interference.
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  3. Posts : 15,808
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       #73

    It does reek of greed.

    That is why we should be grateful the EU court are standing up for the just principle of the transfer of ownership.

    You should ask Kaspersky why their software does not work in different country? Are you sure of that? What are Kasperky playing at? If that is true, I would have nothing to do with Kaspersky. They will respond if the consumers vote with their wallets.

    The fact you own something when you buy it is not new - unless you are from a different planet.
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  4. Posts : 25,847
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       #74

    I am not buying Windows 7. I am paying for the right to use Windows 7 according to the agreement I have with Microsoft. It is kind of a life time lease if both parties honor the agreement. Thinking that the public is to dumb to understand the agreement so government has to stick their big nose in it is wrong in my mind.
    I also don't need the government telling me how to choose a web browser.

    I'm quite sure the people of the E.U. can handle such things all by themselves.
    I choose the operating system I want and conditions I'm willing to go by.
    I choose the browser that I want
    I choose the underwear I buy.
    All without the governments help.
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  5. Posts : 15,808
    7 X64
       #75

    You do what you like.

    However, In Europe, when you buy something, you own it. That is all.

    Because you own something, you can give it away or sell it. That doesn't mean you have to give it away or sell it. You have the choice. Nobody is telling you what to do.

    I understand your point about pricing.

    It might appear that a second hand market exerts downward pressure on the price manufacturers can charge for a new product. The second hand market is in effect, a form of competition for the new product.

    It is saving government depts, mayor's offices, etc a fortune. That means it is saving taxpayers a fortune.

    Simply - a thriving second hand market usually makes the new products cheaper.

    Not sure it will have a huge effect on individual consumers, because the software giants are doing everything they can to move consumers away from owning into a rental model.
    Last edited by SIW2; 23 Jul 2014 at 22:16.
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  6. Posts : 25,847
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       #76

    We already had a rental plan.
    One payment.
    Use as long as you want to, just by abiding by the rental agreement.
    We will probably end up with scheduled payments of some sort that will cost a lot more and be nothing but a bunch of extra work.
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  7. Posts : 21,007
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       #77

    You should ask Kaspersky why their software does not work in different country? Are you sure of that? What are Kasperky playing at? If that is true, I would have nothing to do with Kaspersky. They will respond if the consumers vote with their wallets.

    Yep well I did and I couldn't understand the explanation except that it went on about regional differences which really doesn't make sense as I Google site sin Europe in fact everywhere so why known only to the people who make up the program.
    Kaspersky in itself I wouldn't exchange for anything but it like anything else in a bit convoluted eh?
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  8. Posts : 15,808
    7 X64
       #78

    We will probably end up with scheduled payments of some sort that will cost a lot more
    Not necessarily.

    The software giants will try and move people into a rental scheme, it gives them control and a continuous income stream.

    They will not suddenly remove the stand alone products that you have been buying. They dare not do that because people would get alarmed about being forced into rental.

    Instead, they will try and lure people by offering baubles and beads, and a heavy hitting propaganda/marketing campaign extolling the purported advantages.

    It is possible for the vast majority to continue to do what they always have. They can still buy
    the stand alone product. If enough people do, the consumers will have rejected the rental schemes, and the software giants will have to go with it.

    It is up to the people.
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  9. Posts : 21,007
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       #79

    The software giants will try and move people into a rental scheme, it gives them control and a continuous income stream. ( I don't know how you enter quotes in those panels so am just copy / pasting)

    but isn't that what we are doing now but on an annual basis? - well for the programs like security products for example.

    Personally I think it all comes down to greed again and I can see it all starting to become a part of the have and have nots domain.

    The inducement schemes happen already as we se with such products as food , luxury products (?furniture) and cars and it is usually inducements that are really just an undercut of the overall profit or something that ill only last for a year. A scheme that comes to mind is the buy on a four year plan with no interest and at first glance looks too goo to be true and in my mind usually is because the inducement pushes individuals into having more than they can actually afford or need.

    I think some smart albeit quite unprincipled people made up those scheme ie licences for software and again music and DVD rights in order to drag in more financial gain than it is really worth. Basically means individuals have no rights only than to use products for themselves alone.
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  10. Posts : 25,847
    Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pro/64
       #80

    It's up to the people. I like that and hope the idea stays with us.

    I like it simple. 100% down and no payments.
    I like the old fashion way.
    Pay for it.
    Then I would have a perfect DVD with a perfect COA.
    Then I would just install it, register it and when done put the DVD and the COA in a nice little plastic case and save them hoping never to need them again.
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