Windows 7 Forums
Welcome to Windows 7 Forums. Our forum is dedicated to helping you find support and solutions for any problems regarding your Windows 7 PC be it Dell, HP, Acer, Asus or a custom build. We also provide an extensive Windows 7 tutorial section that covers a wide range of tips and tricks.


Windows 7: /!\ MS caught lying about their Convenience Rollup? (included updates)

03 Jan 2018   #1
7point5

windows
 
 
/!\ MS caught lying about their Convenience Rollup? (included updates)

so we're studying virtual machines & I decided to go a bit beyond the curriculum & did some tests of my own on a win7 VM ^^

simple question really: in the catalog article on kb3125574 all the allegedly included updates are listed

so knowing MS I decided to test this
turns out my hunch may have been justified!

for instance KB2574819 & KB2639308 are in the list of updates allegedly included in the rollup

so once again on a 7 x64 virtual machine I installed the service stack update & the rollup

then I tried installing KB2574819 & KB2639308 - and it worked! windows asks if I want to install the updates (instead of saying "update already installed" or "update not applicable" as would be expected) even though they're suppose to be already in the rollup!

I tested other updates (which MS says are in the rollup) and it appears MS may have lied about those too since I can install them even after the rollup


the only explanation's that those updates were NOT included in the rollup to begin with right?


so question is, why tf would they lie about included updates in a rollup? a possible reason is that instead of those useful updates they snuck in something far less useful like telemetry updates or something


My System SpecsSystem Spec
.
04 Jan 2018   #2
mrjimphelps

Linux Mint 18.2 xfce 64-bit (VMWare host) / Windows 8.1 Pro 32-bit (VMWare guest)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 7point5 View Post
the only explanation's that those updates were NOT included in the rollup to begin with right?
Maybe they were superceded by newer versions of the updates, and Microsoft hasn't yet gotten around to removing the old versions from the rollup?
My System SpecsSystem Spec
04 Jan 2018   #3
7point5

windows
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mrjimphelps View Post
Maybe they were superceded by newer versions of the updates, and Microsoft hasn't yet gotten around to removing the old versions from the rollup?
but if they were new versions they'd have different KB codes

here the code is the same for instance MS says KB2574819 is in the rollup, so I install rollup, then try the update with same code KB2574819 & the install's still allowed!??
My System SpecsSystem Spec
.

04 Jan 2018   #4
Pete4

win7hp64
 
 

But, why would anybody care about some KB being installed second time, I can't see any harm in it, except maybe if you needed to rollback, you would have to rollback twice I imagine. Also I would suspect it is more of a bug than lying. What I would worry more about is the telemetry being misrepresented as something else and bundled with other, actually important updates.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
06 Jan 2018   #5
7point5

windows
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Pete4 View Post
But, why would anybody care about some KB being installed second time
that's the whole point it's NOT being installed a second time

if you can install an update after the rollup, it can ONLY mean that this update's NOT included in the rollup right?




and if it already is - how to check MS is telling the truth? trying a 2nd install isn't a good test if you say it's possible to install a 2nd time - so how's it possible to verify if an update really is included in another previous update?
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Reply

 /!\ MS caught lying about their Convenience Rollup? (included updates)




Thread Tools




Similar help and support threads
Thread Forum
Convenience Rollup
Checking for updates get stuck in my laptop so I did some search and found this site: How to Update Windows 7 All at Once with Microsoft?s Convenience Rollup I follow all those step and after that I check for updates it almost took 5 hours to found updates and then I check updates again no...
Windows Updates & Activation
How to open Convenience Rollup KB3125574?
No, I don't mean how to USE it - I mean, how does one open a file like this? Clicking a download link for KB3125574 gets a 476MB file named 'windows6.1-kb3125574-v4-x64_2dafb1d203c8964239af3048b5dd4b1264cd93b9.msu'. From what I've read on other websites, this apparently-single file is made up...
Windows Updates & Activation
"checking for updates" 24+ hours now! unable to get Convenience rollup
I did a clean reinstall of windows 7 on a Lenovo laptop and now Windows Update has been "Checking for updates" for more than 24 hours now!, I tried getting the Convenience Rollup but I am unable to! It tells me that my browser is outdated despite that I have the latest Firefox. I click "get with...
Windows Updates & Activation
Convenience Rollup Breaks SFC
Hello I have a fresh copy of Windows SV SP1 x64 Windows 7. I have integrated Convenience Rollup. First the stack update KB3020369 afterwards the rollup KB3125574. I used Ntlite tool for the intergratetion into the WIM. I'm familiar with DISM integration but i prefer Ntlite. SFC fails...
Windows Updates & Activation
Questions regarding the new Convenience Rollup for Win 7 SP1
Hi, At the moment I didn't experience any problem because I didn't try it yet. My PC is HP notebook with Win 7 pre-installed. In 2011 was updated to SP1, and then after few more updates was left for variety of reasons not updated for about 3 years. Now that I see MS has issued the Convenience...
Windows Updates & Activation


Our Sites

Site Links

About Us

Find Us

Windows 7 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 7" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

Designer Media Ltd

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:03.
Twitter Facebook Google+ Seven Forums iOS App Seven Forums Android App