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Windows 7: Now I'm really confused about Product ID vs Product Key

2 Weeks Ago   #1

Win 7 Pro
Now I'm really confused about Product ID vs Product Key

A lot of posters on here have been identifying software as "counterfeit" because of the 3 digit code in Product ID. Why? What difference does it make where you got the WIN 7 download as long as you have a valid product key? I believe I installed my WIN 7 Pro from a ISO image on the Microsoft public website in July 2018. What Product ID would that be?

This doesn't make sense.

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2 Weeks Ago   #2

W7 home premium 32bit/W7HP 64bit/w10 tp insider ring

Hi Wjell,

The product key is a licence to run W7, the Iso download in reality has no "owner"

The product keys and product ID's are linked via the version of W7 and those 3 digits
Downloads from MS which require a product key are only partially validated.
Full validation is only performed after 3 months or if KB971033 is installed and quarterly therafter
(partial validation actually occurs every time you start-up)

The 3 digit code tells MS what the source of the product key is
(i have a list of these which includes OEM/Retail/Volume and others)
Product keys fall into 3 catagories OEM installed/Volume (the same key used on multiple install) and Unique like those on a COA sticker or Retailed CD's packaging
MSDN keys are a bit of a hybrid as they show as Retail but ARE NOT allowed to be sold
(these keys WERE only sold by MS)

The above is a beginners guide but is NOT comprehensive

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2 Weeks Ago   #3

Win 7 Pro

Thanks Roy

Here is the reason for my confusion. I used Slmgr.vbs /cpky to remove the "non genuine" key. I then used Slmgr.vbs /rearm to reset the clock while I try to figure this out.

The Computer Properties screen still shows a Product ID but no Product Key. ??? AND the diag shows the following:

Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
Windows Validation Data-->

Validation Code: 0
Cached Online Validation Code: N/A, hr = 0xc004f012
Windows Product Key: *****-*****-*****-*****-KQPYW
Windows Product Key Hash: xrLi5jTLgQHlU3IyDfEf/g4kLgY=
Windows Product ID: 00371-223-1629721-86976
Windows Product ID Type: 5
Windows License Type: Retail
Windows OS version: 6.1.7601.2.00010100.1.0.048
ID: {C4E31E73-A6D8-404C-B87F-529B50B47EC3}(3)
Is Admin: Yes
TestCab: 0x0
LegitcheckControl ActiveX: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Product Name: Windows 7 Professional
Architecture: 0x00000009
Build lab: 7601.win7sp1_ldr_escrow.190208-1418
TTS Error:
Validation Diagnostic:
Resolution Status: N/A

Vista WgaER Data-->
ThreatID(s): N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

Windows XP Notifications Data-->
Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
File Exists: No
Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
WgaTray.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
WgaLogon.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

OGA Notifications Data-->
Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
OGAExec.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
OGAAddin.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

OGA Data-->
Office Status: 109 N/A
OGA Version: N/A, 0x80070002
Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Office Diagnostics: 025D1FF3-364-80041010_025D1FF3-229-80041010_025D1FF3-230-1_025D1FF3-517-80040154_025D1FF3-237-80040154_025D1FF3-238-2_025D1FF3-244-80070002_025D1FF3-258-3

Browser Data-->
Proxy settings: N/A
User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Win32)
Default Browser: C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe
Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
Active scripting: Allowed
Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed

File Scan Data-->

Other data-->
Office Details: <GenuineResults><MachineData><UGUID>{C4E31E73-A6D8-404C-B87F-529B50B47EC3}</UGUID><Version>1.9.0027.0</Version><OS>6.1.7601.2.00010100.1.0.048</OS><Architecture>x64</Architecture><PKey>*****-*****-*****-*****-BBBBB</PKey><PID>00371-223-1629721-86976</PID><PIDType>5</PIDType><SID>S-1-5-21-3156090486-3195098333-2769744254</SID><SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Model>HP Pavilion dv6500 Notebook PC </Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Hewlett-Packard</Manufacturer><Version>F.22 </Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="4"/><Date>20070817000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS><HWID>98A63607018400FA</HWID><UserLCID>0409</UserLCID><SystemLCID>0409</SystemLCID><TimeZone>Central Standard Time(GMT-06:00)</TimeZone><iJoin>0</iJoin><SBID><stat>3</stat><msppid></msppid><name></name><model></model></SBID><OEM><OEMID>HPQOEM</OEMID><OEMTableID>SLIC-MPC</OEMTableID></OEM><GANotification/></MachineData><Software><Office><Result>109</Result><Products/><Applications/></Office></Software></GenuineResults>

Spsys.log Content: 0x80070002

Licensing Data-->
Software licensing service version: 6.1.7601.17514

Name: Windows(R) 7, Professional edition
Description: Windows Operating System - Windows(R) 7, RETAIL channel
Activation ID: 770bc271-8dc1-467d-b574-73cbacbeccd1
Application ID: 55c92734-d682-4d71-983e-d6ec3f16059f
Extended PID: 00371-00172-223-162972-00-1033-7601.0000-0672019
Installation ID: 009462458103742510979960857934861952345174314185870205
Processor Certificate URL: SpcService Web Service
Machine Certificate URL: RacService Web Service
Use License URL: UseLicenseService Web Service
Product Key Certificate URL: PkcService Web Service
Partial Product Key: KQPYW
License Status: Initial grace period
Time remaining: 42060 minute(s) (29 day(s))
Remaining Windows rearm count: 2
Trusted time: 3/9/2019 6:51:54 AM

Windows Activation Technologies-->
HrOffline: 0x00000000
HrOnline: 0xC004C4A2
HealthStatus: 0x0000000000000000
Event Time Stamp: 3:4:2019 15:55
ActiveX: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
Admin Service: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
HealthStatus Bitmask Output:

HWID Data-->

OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->

OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
BIOS valid for OA 2.0: yes
Windows marker version: 0x0
OEMID and OEMTableID Consistent: yes
BIOS Information:
ACPI Table Name OEMID Value OEMTableID Value

I have a key that was on a Dell laptop before it got baptized with a cup of tea. But Windows does not think it is genuine now either, but it was working OK on the Dell until December 2018. I don't think that key is an OEM key because it worked fine after I switched out the motherboard. So what does this all mean?
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2 Weeks Ago   #4

W7 home premium 32bit/W7HP 64bit/w10 tp insider ring

Hi wjell

the UPK action removes the product key totally
cpky only removes it from the registry
rearm looks at the registry for the key and because of this its put into a confused state,

Partial Product Key: KQPYW (this is a default)
License Status: Initial grace period

<PKey>*****-*****-*****-*****-BBBBB (usuall reported if a MAK key is in use)

please run this command
slmgr /rilc
(re-installs system license files)

slmgr was really introduced for Volume licence clients, however its been picked up by almost everyone, to reset certain licence components and operations.

As for the Dell product key
What version is it for home/Pro??
default OEM keys which will show as non-genuine on another comp


Professional 32KD2-K9CTF-M3DJT-4J3WC-733WD

Would you install it on your comp and run the tool

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2 Weeks Ago   #5

Win 7 Pro

Interesting... I used keyfinder to pull the key off the hard drive of the dead Dell drive hooked up to my computer and got the KQPYW, but I got the whole key. I dunno. Maybe I'll try that again. I'm going through all my key text files seeing what I have from over the years.

One of them is an OEM key ending in 733WD. Probably is the generic Dell key. Unfortunately, I'm looking for a key to install on a HP and that Dell key shouldn't work.

The HP had windows 8 on it but I burned it with WIN 7 Pro and bought a "genuine" key off of eBay. Then it became not so genuine this month.

I have one more untested key to try from 2009. I don't remember anything about it, but it says WIN7. Who knows?

If I run the UPK will it end my grace period? I'd like to have some time in order to find a LEGITIMATE WIN 7 Pro Full Version at a reasonable price to end all my problems. But I also would like to find a unicorn too.

Thanks for all your help and sharing your knowledge. Knowledge is a wonderful thing.
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2 Weeks Ago   #6

Win 7 Pro

Also, on the key that was OK and then wasn't genuine this month that I bought on eBay in December. I called Microsoft support and they said that key was "blocked".
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2 Weeks Ago   #7

W7 home premium 32bit/W7HP 64bit/w10 tp insider ring


As you said knowledge is a wonderful thing, which brings me nicely to this

The HP that had W8 on it, was it by any chance Pro, many had the option to "downgrade to W7" for free
Go to the homepage for your model it should tell you
the Mgadiag does NOT show evidence of W8 being present or installed, it has a specific line beginning MSDM
Is the original HP recovery option available??

As for your 2009 key, google it (DO NOT POST IT), see if you get any hits 0 = good, but doesnt guarentee
Win7 What version??

As for UPK, if you run it it will remove the current key, and put the machine into a 30 day grace period, this can then be extended by a further 60 days by using slmgr /rearm

did you run the RLIC command

As for the MSDN key not surprised by the response from the MS rep, they (MS) are gradually removing/blocking these keys, especially if multiple instances appear on thier validation servers
(the sellers typically sell the same key more than once give a max 60 guarentee, unfortunately unless its previously been blocked, COMPLETE validation does not occur until day 90,they also advise using slmg /rearm as an excuse if its picked up earlier, and uninstalling KB971033.

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1 Week Ago   #8

Win 7 Pro

Living off the 30 day grace period until I either find my Win 8 Pro key or a legitimate Win 7 Pro key. Kinda hard to believe that with less than year left on extended support that the full Retail media and keys are so expensive.
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