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27 Nov 2009   #11
leetgamer

Windows 7 home premium x64 build 7600
 
 

Well.. I don't know, cause my old machine broke down after doing that at the end of each of my sessions. I swore I'd just use the shut down button from the start menu from that point forward.


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27 Nov 2009   #12
MacGyvr

Windows 7 Ultimate RTM (Technet)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by torrentg View Post
The Vista fix will probably work for 7. Have you already tried it?

It's not a bad thing to use the power button to power down a machine, from a technical standpoint. No harm.
I'm sorry, but that is terrible advice to give. It is a potentially VERY bad thing to use the power button to forcibly power off a machine. The user is not talking about pressing the button and letting windows shut down. He is talking about holding the power button so that the machine simply cuts off with no shutdown. This actually has quite high potential for corrupting files that are open at the time of the forced shutdown. Every time this is done there is a risk that a vital system file or files will be damaged to the point that the machine won't boot properly, or perhaps your email file will be damaged and lost, or a document you were working on, etc. Holding the power button in should only be done as an absolute last resort.
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27 Nov 2009   #13
torrentg

7600.20510 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by torrentg View Post
The Vista fix will probably work for 7. Have you already tried it?

It's not a bad thing to use the power button to power down a machine, from a technical standpoint. No harm.
I'm sorry, but that is terrible advice to give. It is a potentially VERY bad thing to use the power button to forcibly power off a machine. The user is not talking about pressing the button and letting windows shut down. He is talking about holding the power button so that the machine simply cuts off with no shutdown. This actually has quite high potential for corrupting files that are open at the time of the forced shutdown. Every time this is done there is a risk that a vital system file or files will be damaged to the point that the machine won't boot properly, or perhaps your email file will be damaged and lost, or a document you were working on, etc. Holding the power button in should only be done as an absolute last resort.
It is there to use it. No harm. Learn before you speak. I can design circuits, have worked for UL and know what I'm talking about. No corruption of files either.
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27 Nov 2009   #14
Ztruker

Windows 10 Pro X64
 
 

No harm unless there is a write to the hard drive in process when you do this, then you stand a good chance of corrupting the files system.

Sorry to disagree but this is definitely not a good idea.
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27 Nov 2009   #15
torrentg

7600.20510 x86
 
 

Sorry to disagree but when you hold in the button, the HDD are off before psu cuts power to mb. It is designed well. Do you think engineers would design it otherwise?

Another wrong one. lol What else do we got? This is why we need negative rep in the forum I think and Guru members immune.

When are the n00bs going to learn?
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28 Nov 2009   #16
MacGyvr

Windows 7 Ultimate RTM (Technet)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by torrentg View Post
Sorry to disagree but when you hold in the button, the HDD are off before psu cuts power to mb. It is designed well. Do you think engineers would design it otherwise?

Another wrong one. lol What else do we got? This is why we need negative rep in the forum I think and Guru members immune.

When are the n00bs going to learn?
You are COMPLETELY wrong on this. When you hold in the power button, there is no sequence to how the power is cut. It is simply stopped to all components at the same time after the delay (3-5 seconds of holding the button down). The hard drive is NOT gracefully shut down before the power is cut. Files CAN be damaged if they are open when this happens. Holding the power button is a course of last resort if everything else fails to get the computer to shut down. It CAN have disastrous results, but granted in most cases it does not. By the time the "forced" power off is necessary, most computers have locked up to the point that the hard drive is no longer active and therefore no damage occurs, but to use this as a common practice is nothing short of foolhardy.

I too can quote my references and experience, but at least they have to do with actually working with computers. Building circuits does not prepare you for such things, I'm sorry to say.

To reinforce what I already know to be true, I did a simple Google search regarding powering down in this manner and found numerous references of instances where computers have had files damaged from shutting down in this manner, and that was on the first page of search results alone.

Anyway, I won't continue to argue with you, but I too wish that we had a way to refute clearly inappropriate and uneducated advice such as yours without having to resort to a "p***ing contest." Oh well, let the people who benefit from the advice make the decision when they hand out the reputation points.
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28 Nov 2009   #17
torrentg

7600.20510 x86
 
 

Yeah. I guess we'll have to agree that you are smarter than the engineers that build machines and myself. What can I say.

You should open your own design company and produce pcs with your vast knowledge.


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21 Dec 2009   #18
leetgamer

Windows 7 home premium x64 build 7600
 
 

The problem still exists though. Sorry for necro.
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21 Dec 2009   #19
gregrocker

 

The procedure with WIndows Updates is to remove the Windows Update, using Restore point if necessary.

If Win7 won't start, boot into DVD Repair console and use Restore point.

Then if Update will not resintall correctly, open an email case with MS on windows Updates website. They are supported via email troubleshooting. Sometimes it can take weeks to resolve, but keep at it as they will persist too.
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21 Dec 2009   #20
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr View Post

You are COMPLETELY wrong on this....

I too can quote my references and experience, but at least they have to do with actually working with computers. Building circuits does not prepare you for such things, I'm sorry to say.

To reinforce what I already know to be true...

Anyway, I won't continue to argue with you, but I too wish that we had a way to refute clearly inappropriate and uneducated advice such as yours without having to resort to a "p***ing contest." Oh well, let the people who benefit from the advice make the decision when they hand out the reputation points.
I would like to agree with you here, but per usual you make it hard.

Is there something wrong with tact and graciousness?

If a shellshocked ex-SEAL surf rat can do it, then surely someone flying the rainbow flag can show a little class?

It's the holidaze! Let's show some giving spirit.

BTW when my tech brainiac nephew told me the same thing, I rolled my eyes but deep down inside knew better. However, I am open to being proven wrong.
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