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Windows 7: Windows Activation Technologies Update for Windows 7.

19 Feb 2010   #31
manhunter2826

Windows XP - Now Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit).
 
 

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(Lol, I am not going to make a joke about ET phoning home. Anyone else)
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E.T. Iphone Home.........................
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if you have a legitimate copy of win7, you have nothing to fear
Exactly...

Validation is as easy as 1-2-3...

Hi there
I think you might have missed the point here.

It's NOT activating windows - nobody really has an issue with that anymore - it's the application wanting to connect periodically to the Internet to continue to do all sorts of things -- and what if you CAN'T connect to the Internet for an extended period -- does Windows finally stop working or keep sending you "Nag reminders".

Once I've ACTIVATED windows legally --that's it. I don't want or NEED applications having to "randomly" connect to the Internet especially at times when losing the application might be totally inconvenient.

What if you have a dedicated SECURE machine that you NEVER want to connect to the Internet after initial activation.

Cheers
jimbo

Fantastic points from jimbo as always.


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19 Feb 2010   #32
foadywm

Windows 8 aka windows next
 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by manhunter2826 View Post
(lol, i am not going to make a joke about et phoning home. Anyone else)
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e.t. Iphone home.........................
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hi there
i think you might have missed the point here.

It's not activating windows - nobody really has an issue with that anymore - it's the application wanting to connect periodically to the internet to continue to do all sorts of things -- and what if you can't connect to the internet for an extended period -- does windows finally stop working or keep sending you "nag reminders".

Once i've activated windows legally --that's it. I don't want or need applications having to "randomly" connect to the internet especially at times when losing the application might be totally inconvenient.

What if you have a dedicated secure machine that you never want to connect to the internet after initial activation.

Cheers
jimbo

fantastic points from jimbo as always.

bingo...................... Do not allow your apps to phone home on their own. This includes security updates and windows update.
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19 Feb 2010   #33
FZ21Z

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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It's NOT activating windows - nobody really has an issue with that anymore - it's the application wanting to connect periodically to the Internet to continue to do all sorts of things
I thought all it will do is VALIDATE your OS, to ensure it's not been activated by a crack.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Once I've ACTIVATED windows legally --that's it.
I wonder just how many systems right now show the "Windows is activated" notice in system properties, that have been activated with a crack of some sort. This just validates that activation is legal doesn't it?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
I don't want or NEED applications having to "randomly" connect to the Internet
To be fair, it's not about your wants or needs is it. I can fully understand there will be issues for some people, but if your software is legal, this isn't really going to affect you.
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19 Feb 2010   #34
fseal

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Preface: I think this validation thing hurts more than it helps. The number of people it bites is not trivial and it makes legitimate users, rightfully, hopping mad.

That said, there is a perfectly legitimate reason (within it's context) for doing the periodic check. I won't go into details so I don't get banned but having activated and validated once is not good enough. Cloned activated and validated systems can be used in specific ways to pirate windows after activation so the check needs to be done at intervals to ensure that the copy really is /still/ valid and not a pirated clone.

[Edit] Let me be clear that I don't do this, never have and I don't even know the exact details of doing it right now, but as a career Software Engineer I can see the routes to take to bypass single time checks.[/edit]

Anyway, the periodic check is needed for the software to do what it was written to do. I personally don't think the software is needed at all, but that's just my HO.

P.S. Where is my "Developer" badge?!?!
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19 Feb 2010   #35
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

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In my opinion.



i update everything manually. nothing goes online unless i am right there.
Ditto. And I wait to make sure there are no problems with the updates.
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19 Feb 2010   #36
foadywm

Windows 8 aka windows next
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by FZ21Z View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
It's NOT activating windows - nobody really has an issue with that anymore - it's the application wanting to connect periodically to the Internet to continue to do all sorts of things
I thought all it will do is VALIDATE your OS, to ensure it's not been activated by a crack.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Once I've ACTIVATED windows legally --that's it.
I wonder just how many systems right now show the "Windows is activated" notice in system properties, that have been activated with a crack of some sort. This just validates that activation is legal doesn't it?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
I don't want or NEED applications having to "randomly" connect to the Internet
To be fair, it's not about your wants or needs is it. I can fully understand there will be issues for some people, but if your software is legal, this isn't really going to affect you.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by fseal View Post
Preface: I think this validation thing hurts more than it helps. The number of people it bites is not trivial and it makes legitimate users, rightfully, hopping mad.

That said, there is a perfectly legitimate reason (within it's context) for doing the periodic check. I won't go into details so I don't get banned but having activated and validated once is not good enough. Cloned activated and validated systems can be used in specific ways to pirate windows after activation so the check needs to be done at intervals to ensure that the copy really is /still/ valid and not a pirated clone.

[Edit] Let me be clear that I don't do this, never have and I don't even know the exact details of doing it right now, but as a career Software Engineer I can see the routes to take to bypass single time checks.[/edit]

Anyway, the periodic check is needed for the software to do what it was written to do. I personally don't think the software is needed at all, but that's just my HO.

P.S. Where is my "Developer" badge?!?!
missing the point. i bought 7 home premium when it came out, so i am not worried about it being legal or not. the real issue is something phoning home every x amount of days to check your os or software. basically treating you as guilty until proven innocent. it is one thing when i reinstall the os, it is another to all of a sudden have a box pop up after x amount of time running windows and have it tell you your copy is illegal when you know that it is a completely legal copy. i can fully see the xp fiasco all over again.
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19 Feb 2010   #37
fseal

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Actually no I don't miss the point. That exact point is exactly why I think that this entire program is the wrong thing to do.

I was merely trying to point out that since we HAVE the program, why it works the way it does. It has to to work at all.

But I agree with your concern about it completely, the negativity of this in my mind outweighs with functionality of it.
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19 Feb 2010   #38
cloud8521

 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
It's NOT activating windows - nobody really has an issue with that anymore - it's the application wanting to connect periodically to the Internet to continue to do all sorts of things
I thought all it will do is VALIDATE your OS, to ensure it's not been activated by a crack.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Once I've ACTIVATED windows legally --that's it.
I wonder just how many systems right now show the "Windows is activated" notice in system properties, that have been activated with a crack of some sort. This just validates that activation is legal doesn't it?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
I don't want or NEED applications having to "randomly" connect to the Internet
To be fair, it's not about your wants or needs is it. I can fully understand there will be issues for some people, but if your software is legal, this isn't really going to affect you.
correct, the program itself gets patched with new crack methods. then it scans without need for Internet access. the scan itself is internal and does not need to connect to the net. when it says you are not valid, you can still use the machine normally you just cant update.
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19 Feb 2010   #39
omegatron

Windows 7 Ultimate x86 & x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cloud8521 View Post
correct, the program itself gets patched with new crack methods. then it scans without need for Internet access. the scan itself is internal and does not need to connect to the net. when it says you are not valid, you can still use the machine normally you just cant update.
Actually, it does have to go out on the net in order for it to download the patch.
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19 Feb 2010   #40
win7

Windows 7 Enterprise SP1 x64 Windows 8 Enterprise RTM x64
 
 

They should of also made sure MSDN was less exploitable, i have seen people selling MSDN accounts then those people selling win7 keys all over the net.
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