What's the best and the most lightweight...?

Creer said:

There is no such thing like better and the best in AV case.
Efficiency of AV software depends on updated signatures and this activity is based on old mechanism known as blacklists. AV are good for detection but when we are talking about prevention they simply failed. No AV on the world can stop/detect new, unknown malware which have been written eg. 5 min ago. AV works when detect known malware which they have in their signatures.

About lightweight, here is my security setup - yes you are not wrong, only one application
I have this configuration (in sig) for months - no issues/problems/infections anymore:

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Not entirely accurate. Good heuristics will detect unseen malware, viruses etc

Yeah that is true but then you get things like false positives happening etc. IMHO its better to stop them getting on your pc in the first place by using a sandbox type application rather than using an antivirus and relying on its signature database.

Dont get me wrong i still use an antivirus, i install one every few months and do a scan of the pc then i uninstall it. In 2 and a half years of me using Greenborder, no antivirus iv installed has found anything but i still do this for peace of mind.

I visit any site i want to even well known dodgy sites in safety.

That's not the case with me. My AV has saved me n number of times with viruses.

Hi Dinesh your a "Security Freak" so have you tried any sandbox type applications. Theres ones like sandboxie, defensewall etc available.

Iv never tried those ones as im happy with my free for life Greenborder but i honestly believe they are better aproach to securing a pc than any Antivirus available. Preventing the threat instead of removing it is the best plan.

Whenever i think that an application is suspicious, i open it in Sandboxie. If it opens fine, then i put it on my main rig. If i still doubt it, i install it on XP virtual box, then i put it on my main pc.

tw33k said:

Creer said:

There is no such thing like better and the best in AV case.
Efficiency of AV software depends on updated signatures and this activity is based on old mechanism known as blacklists. AV are good for detection but when we are talking about prevention they simply failed. No AV on the world can stop/detect new, unknown malware which have been written eg. 5 min ago. AV works when detect known malware which they have in their signatures.

About lightweight, here is my security setup - yes you are not wrong, only one application
I have this configuration (in sig) for months - no issues/problems/infections anymore:

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Not entirely accurate. Good heuristics will detect unseen malware, viruses etc

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Not excacly, here is a few great articles about what is really advanced heuristic in AV:
Defeating Anti-Virus with Crypters - Adventures of the White Rabbit

and many others...
Eighty percent of new malware defeats antivirus - News - Security - ZDNet Australia
Five reasons you need a new approach to antivirus security
Is the end of anti-virus finally here? | Security Central - InfoWorld
RSA: New threats could make traditional antivirus tools ineffective

Ah i see Dinesh. I run greenborder all the time inside Virtual PC with XP installed. That is how i access the internet. I understand lots of people would be unwilling to do this but apps like sandboxie and defensewall run on windows 7 i think.

Those are the programes that should be recommended to the average user as they are the ones that click on everything and dont fully know the threats and what they do to a pc. Just my opininion

Hi all

Why not do all the security etc on a Linux box and if your W7 connects to the internet through the Linux system you can remove pretty well all the AV software OFF the windows box which makes it run a lot better (and safer).

Start something like vmware server on a Linux machine which will fire up say 2 VM's -- one just a "virus" firewall and another is your user W7 machine.

Works an absolute treat and the overhead is minimal.

BTW this method is no good if you are a serious gamer -- but other video apps and streaming run quite nicely now on most Linux distros.

I'm waiting until MS'es security suite is out in the public domain.

I don't like typical AV softwear currently --usually slows the machine down and the false positive indications are a real nuisance.

In any case since the Linux system has really good controls over who can access the machine from OUTSIDE I'm not worried in any case.

My email server scans incoming emails and if I don't know where its coming from thenI just "Bin it" without even opening it.

The sort of sites I access on the Internet aren't likely to be riddled with Viruses -- I'm sure logging on to library sites studying such things as the materials used in the construction of modern aircraft engines aren't going to be infested with sub teen hackers wanting to test their "skills".

If you are a rabid downloader of "Torrent" music or a big user of P2P file sharing etc then over to you.

In all the years that I've been doing computing I've NEVER had a problem with Viruses.

Cheers
jimbo

There is also software like: Shadow Defender or Returnil which virtualize your partition/patritions, when you do reboot all changes dissapear:
Shadow Defender - the easiest PC/laptop security and privacy protection tool

It's easy and fast solution, you don't have to install OS on your VMware in this case.

no vipre is awesome!!! just wait till igster post about it!

or finds another anti virus lol!


anyway I'm just glad I sticked to eset and didn't cross over the dark side ;D muhahaha

tw33k said:

TheIgster said:

Vipre is better.

Thanks!

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You can't make a blanket statement like that. I tried Vipre and it falsely detected one of my files and screwed it up and I had to reformat to get the program working again. So in my opinion it is crap.

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Just trying to bug ESET fanboy Mercurial. Ever since I moved from Nod32 to Vipre, he loves to tear down everything I post. He obviously can't accept the fact that I prefer Vipre over Nod.

I prefer Vipe, some prefer Nod32, that's fine. No ONE anti virus is the best by any means.

tw33k said:

False positives are a pain, I know the feeling all too well which is why I've gone back to NOD32

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False positives can happen with any anti virus but I'm not sure why you or Dinesh are having a problem with it. I have not had one false positive with Vipre, but even if I did, the default action is to quarantine the threat. Just go into quarantine and restore it. Vipre does not delete the threat by default. I'm surprised you guys wouldn't have know this.

Mercurial said:

no vipre is awesome!!! just wait till igster post about it!

or finds another anti virus lol!


anyway I'm just glad I sticked to eset and didn't cross over the dark side ;D muhahaha

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Oh, you mean the ESET that continued to delete (and I mean actually delete not just quarantine) the video codecs that are not a virus or malware, created by Shark who posts on this site? That same ESET?

Guys cool down.

I'm using Kaspersky Internet Security 2010 and it uses very little resources



This was not the case when I tested it on XP, But it works perfect with Windows7...

Kaspersky Internet Security has many valuable features.....



One of the features I like most is KIS 2010 includes a Sandbox, I can browse the internet within a virtual environment without having to worry about Infections..(I used to have to use SandboxIE for this)



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Plus Kaspersky updates very frequently



And I got a license for under $10 on ebay......

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ESET is a good AV, especially if your into the Warez scene because you get less false positives..

I have never tried Viper before, But I know Counterspy is a great product, Have they integrated Zemana Antilogger in viper yet?

I just like to know I have a good AV + Firewall AIO that I trust, I have been using Kaspersky for 3 years and never had a virus that wasn't from something I Ignorantly installed myself, warez....If you get my drift......

Its cool to let people know about the security products you prefer, but let them decide for themselves what they would rather use...


Here is a Poll "

Internet Security Suite Poll - 2009 (Jan - Jun) - Wilders Security Forums

Results are as follows as far as popularity is concerned

#1 Kaspersky Internet Security
#2 Norton Internet Security
#3 Comodo Internet Security
#4 ESET Smart Security

Viper was not included in this Poll, But feel free to make a new poll over their and see what kind of results you get?
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I have a slightly different approach to security. Apart from running behind a good router and NIS (which does not slowdown my system), I do frequent system images to an external disk. When I am not imaging, I switch that disk off with a remote electrical switch from Home Depot. That way nothing can get at it and can always recover my system should something happen.
I had used Sandboxie in earlier years. But I found it to be too cumbersome - not difficult, just an extra step.

Dinesh said:

Guys cool down.

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Just a friendly conversation. Nothing like a good rivalry for fun.

No problems...

NIS2010 or Eset

TheIgster said:

False positives can happen with any anti virus but I'm not sure why you or Dinesh are having a problem with it. I have not had one false positive with Vipre, but even if I did, the default action is to quarantine the threat. Just go into quarantine and restore it. Vipre does not delete the threat by default. I'm surprised you guys wouldn't have know this.

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if only Vipre had of moved the file to quarantine I wouldn't have had to reinstall everything. It screwed the file...didn't delete it, didn't quarantine it...screwed it.

TheIgster said:

tw33k said:

TheIgster said:

Vipre is better.

Thanks!

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You can't make a blanket statement like that. I tried Vipre and it falsely detected one of my files and screwed it up and I had to reformat to get the program working again. So in my opinion it is crap.

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Just trying to bug ESET fanboy Mercurial. Ever since I moved from Nod32 to Vipre, he loves to tear down everything I post. He obviously can't accept the fact that I prefer Vipre over Nod.

I prefer Vipe, some prefer Nod32, that's fine. No ONE anti virus is the best by any means.

tw33k said:

False positives are a pain, I know the feeling all too well which is why I've gone back to NOD32

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False positives can happen with any anti virus but I'm not sure why you or Dinesh are having a problem with it. I have not had one false positive with Vipre, but even if I did, the default action is to quarantine the threat. Just go into quarantine and restore it. Vipre does not delete the threat by default. I'm surprised you guys wouldn't have know this.

Mercurial said:

no vipre is awesome!!! just wait till igster post about it!

or finds another anti virus lol!


anyway I'm just glad I sticked to eset and didn't cross over the dark side ;D muhahaha

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Oh, you mean the ESET that continued to delete (and I mean actually delete not just quarantine) the video codecs that are not a virus or malware, created by Shark who posts on this site? That same ESET?

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LOL OMG.... I'm using sharkcodecs007 and its working perfectly fine with ESET... AND I LOVE SHARK007
I can watch my porn stuff in FLV format
any proooof? if not then just POOOOFFFF LOL!

kthnxbai

Now, I always say, if it ain't broke and you like it.....

I have never used a firewall. I have a router with hardware firewall. My signal is stealth (when I try to ping on Steve Gibson's site). I run a few spyware proggies once every 6 months and nothing.

The lighter I keep my system , the better (for me).

I have NOD 32 Antivirus (not security) and that's fine for me. Average processor use is 25%. I don't think that I'll game while doing a full scan. When not in use, it runs at less than 1%.

For me that's fine.

tw33k said:

if only Vipre had of moved the file to quarantine I wouldn't have had to reinstall everything. It screwed the file...didn't delete it, didn't quarantine it...screwed it.

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That is strange indeed. What exactly happened? I've had anything it found put into quarantine automatically. It's never screwed or deleted anything on me.

Mercurial said:

LOL OMG.... I'm using sharkcodecs007 and its working perfectly fine with ESET... AND I LOVE SHARK007
I can watch my porn stuff in FLV format
any proooof? if not then just POOOOFFFF LOL!

kthnxbai

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Proof? Yeah, it would delete several files shipped with Shark's codecs every time. I posted about it in his codec thread. He was aware of it, reported it to ESET and they did nothing about it. He even states it on his codec page. Perhaps they fixed it now, but it wasn't fixed and was an issue. So much so he called out ESET and suggested people stop using it.