BSOD Crashes and Debugging for Win 7 compared to Win 10

Struggling7 · 23 Feb 2020

Looking at category BSOD Crashes and Debugging for Win 7 compared to Win 10 forums. I noticed 13 post counts for Win 7 over last 4 weeks (not counting this one), but Win 10 post counts at 72 over last 4 weeks. Wouldn’t this indicate a much larger problem existing in Win 10 verses Win 7...?

Before someone points out overlooking number of 10 users verses 7 users, 10 accounts for only slightly more than double 7 users. That would indicate if all equal 10 should only have 26 to 30 post, not 72 which indicates Win 10 has over twice the problems of Win 7, but is represented as much better.

file3456 · 24 Feb 2020

It really is more than likely what you think in terms of a larger user base. Every tech forum I've been on regarding XP and up all had a lot of BSOD help threads.

Though, it wouldn't really surprise me if 10 had more BSODs. In my opinion the more you update the greater chance of failure. OS's below 10 didn't mandate constant updates. But 10 does and if you want to stop that you have to try to shut off the service or group policy. Then if you update M$ will flip your option back to default negating your settings so you have to go back in a turn that off again. Total BS if you ask me. One reason why I'm not going 10 anytime soon. I will eventuality, but I have plans in place to when I mess with that crap. One is to use Pfsense and a plunder bug. I'll probably also strip the ISO of the crap, etc.

I was going to do exactly this, but they beat me and done my work for me. Check this out: Privacy Implications of Windows 10 Telemetry: Summary Stats and Conclusions . PC should be ministering to user, not other way round

Anyway, BSODs are usually driver or hardware related. If one allows M$ to update their drivers your running a huge risk IMO. You can turn that off under Devices and printers I think it is. But again, an update may flip it back to automatic.

Struggling7 · 24 Feb 2020

F22 Simpilot said:

I was going to do exactly this, but they beat me and done my work for me. Check this out: Privacy Implications of Windows 10 Telemetry: Summary Stats and Conclusions . PC should be ministering to user, not other way round

Damn that’s out right scary. Has most of this come about with Win 10, or was Win 7 and before just as bad?

As far as BSODs, I noticed that when trying to correct problem with my laptop running Win 10. It lost ability to recognize the internally installed DVD/CD drive for no logical reason. But it appears may have been caused by an update like you mention, because final fix was to uninstall that device and IDE ATA/ATAPI controller in device manager. Restart laptop and let it reinstall new found hardware.

Bree · 24 Feb 2020

Struggling7 said:

...indicates Win 10 has over twice the problems of Win 7...

It also has about twice the install base....

Windows 10 55.29%
Windows 7 27.48%

Operating system market share

...or more, depending on who's stats you look at.

Win10 67.35%
Win7 24.9%

Desktop Windows Version Market Share Worldwide | StatCounter Global Stats

iko22 · 24 Feb 2020

Struggling7 said:

Looking at category BSOD Crashes and Debugging for Win 7 compared to Win 10 forums. I noticed 13 post counts for Win 7 over last 4 weeks (not counting this one), but Win 10 post counts at 72 over last 4 weeks. Wouldn’t this indicate a much larger problem existing in Win 10 verses Win 7...?

Could be , with so much hardware to support, I wonder if Microsoft can update their product and keep it consistent with all various machine specifications.

@Bree has made a good point.

Also, a younger audience would more likely opt for Windows 10, and a younger audience may not yet be so savvy with using Windows and troubleshooting issues.

Struggling7 · 24 Feb 2020

Bree said:

It also has about twice the install base....

Obviously you didn’t understand complete context of that paragraph. Twice compared to Win 7 would have been in 26 to 30 range. But it’s 72, if you use Win 7 number of 13 without adjusting as I did in first post, that would put Win 10 at 5.5 times worst than Win 7. Either way you figure it Win 10 is a disaster.

Struggling7 · 24 Feb 2020

iko22 said:

Could be , with so much hardware to support, I wonder if Microsoft can update their product and keep it consistent with all various machine specifications.

That is something I would consider as maybe a good point. Since my experience is only with my laptop running Win 10, which I’ve spent about half of use time on it trying to fix bugs that show up from time to time.

file3456 · 25 Feb 2020

Struggling7 said:

Damn that’s out right scary. Has most of this come about with Win 10, or was Win 7 and before just as bad?

I have tried this with 7 monitoring the VMware NIC with a network sniffer and only for a short while. On boot up I just caught this IP address of 184.25.204.25 which is for your Internet connection to find out if you have an established connection or not and if not you'll see that yellow exclamation mark over your network adapter in the taskbar. I'm sure that IP will vary based on your location since it's from the Akamai Technologies Inc CDN.

One day I'll monitor the NIC for Windows 7 in VMware longer and see what I get, but I'm willing to bet no where even remotely close to what Win 10 is putting out there.

So in a nutshell they did my job for me and for over 300 days, too. When I do finally run 10 I'll have the Pfsense firewall inline with my computer blocking all of those ASNs and or CIDRs and I'll continue to monitor my ethernet cable with a plunder bug and a secondary laptop I have on my desk. I find an IP that shouldn't be there I'll investigate and possibly block its ASN or CIDR as well.

Like I said many times already. Gone are the days of a PC (personal computer) You're Redmond's little cash cow now. They've effectly took a computer OS and made it like the privacy invading smartphone complete with forced updates that can and will mess up your present settings, configuration and how you like YOUR PC.

If interested, this may help. I have to test some of these and what IPs they block if any as well. Comparison of Windows 10 Privacy tools - gHacks Tech News

file3456 · 25 Feb 2020

Struggling7 said:

That is something I would consider as maybe a good point. Since my experience is only with my laptop running Win 10, which I’ve spent about half of use time on it trying to fix bugs that show up from time to time.

On my own forum that I own I get a lot of search engine hits from people searching for, "why is windows 10 a piece of s^&%." Pretty crazy.

**axe0** · 27 Feb 2020

Struggling7 said:

Looking at category BSOD Crashes and Debugging for Win 7 compared to Win 10 forums. I noticed 13 post counts for Win 7 over last 4 weeks (not counting this one), but Win 10 post counts at 72 over last 4 weeks. Wouldn’t this indicate a much larger problem existing in Win 10 verses Win 7...?

Before someone points out overlooking number of 10 users verses 7 users, 10 accounts for only slightly more than double 7 users. That would indicate if all equal 10 should only have 26 to 30 post, not 72 which indicates Win 10 has over twice the problems of Win 7, but is represented as much better.

You're making a comparison that in reality is much more complex.

The userbase is just one parameter in a complex equation. A few things you could include are the countless programs available to date where many of them use a couple of drivers. Some have support for certain Windows versions, others not and some of them are just more stable than others. Then there's also the vast amount of hardware on the market and let's not forget about the possibility of combining them. You could also consider how Windows 7 had been maintained and how Windows 10 is being maintained and developed with the public insider builds for Windows 10.

I do not believe Windows 7 and Windows 10 can be compared to one another in such a way.

@F22 Simpilot, I disagree with your statement about letting Windows update drivers. Most tools Microsoft uses to test drivers before releasing them via Windows Update are also used by other vendors. The BSOD Team also benefits from the tools Microsoft developed to identify drivers. Sure, you may have read the experience of others and have some bad experience yourself, but that doesn't negate the fact that Microsoft releases pretty decent drivers if you consider the millions of other users that rely on Windows Update for those drivers that you're not hearing from. Another example, NVIDIA releases drivers via their own channels that are 'Windows Hardware Quality Lab' or WHQL tested, which means the drivers go through a series of tests with 3rd party hardware and software. That makes those drivers 'certified' and allows NVIDIA to say 'Geforce Game Ready Driver - WHQL'. Those tests are designed by Microsoft and Microsoft puts the drivers released via Windows Update at least through the same tests.