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Windows 7: stuttering in games. (mainly valve)

07 Nov 2009   #31
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by torrentg View Post
I read about it also on a Microsoft page and they said it's highly important for file access.

"There is a new generation of defraggers that can work with the MFT and paging files. According to Microsoft, it is vitally important performance-wise to defragment the MFT and paging files. However, it is only safe to do so using boot-time defragmentation."

MFT - Master File Table

...searching for actual MS page.
Well, at the risk of sounding arrogant, Microsoft is wrong.

I'll trust CT over MS any time.
They have one of the best testlabs in the world.

Edit: to add my personal experience.
I've been defraging for years and it never solved any performance problem I had.
I was fooling myself until I read several articles and studies that showed the proof.


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07 Nov 2009   #32
sotorious

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SquonkSC View Post
a weird question it might seem.

Is the screen connected through DVI/HDMI?

If so, check if the graphics card is set to the native freq. of the monitor.
You have to check the monitors manual to find out the native freq.

Example, if the native freq. of the monitor is 60hz, set the graphics cards freq. accordingly.

It solved stuttering on my HTPC.

Good luck
sheesh im going to have to look the manual up online, i will try that. but if this helps any input on my previous computer i had same monitor same gfx card and there was no stuttering problem. and i am connected threw dvi. im sure the monitor is 60hz ( will double check that) but im not sure what the gfx cards freq is that, just to make sure i find that in the nvidia control panel options correct?? and im wondering if i should wait and see if it stutters again and then try to this so i can find the problem and post it for any future problems people may have, cause i wouldn't wish this on my worse enemy.
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07 Nov 2009   #33
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sotorious View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SquonkSC View Post
a weird question it might seem.

Is the screen connected through DVI/HDMI?

If so, check if the graphics card is set to the native freq. of the monitor.
You have to check the monitors manual to find out the native freq.

Example, if the native freq. of the monitor is 60hz, set the graphics cards freq. accordingly.

It solved stuttering on my HTPC.

Good luck
sheesh im going to have to look the manual up online, i will try that. but if this helps any input on my previous computer i had same monitor same gfx card and there was no stuttering problem. and i am connected threw dvi. im sure the monitor is 60hz ( will double check that) but im not sure what the gfx cards freq is that, just to make sure i find that in the nvidia control panel options correct??
Yes.

And I am not saying it will solve it, just that it solved it on my system.
It's one more thing to rule in or out.

Good luck
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07 Nov 2009   #34
sotorious

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

yea im trying everything. as far as the specs you asked for do you see anything wrong???
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07 Nov 2009   #35
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sotorious View Post
yea im trying everything. as far as the specs you asked for do you see anything wrong???
No, I don't. Your hardware should not give you this problem.

I'm pretty sure it is caused by a driver or software.

You mentioned huge amounts of pictures, video's and music.
Just realize Windows is trying to index them all and apply thumbs for them.

That could well be what's going on.

Constant disk access drove me crazy on all of my systems.
It would go on for hours without me doing anything.
And worse, it would go on when I was working on it.
Despite what MS want's us to believe, indexing does not stop when you use the machine, and thus it must degrade performance for sure.

But again, if that is what's causing your problem is unsure.
Probably it is a matter of multiple causes.

For the record, I have indexing completely disabled on all my systems.
I am a highly organized guy, I never have to search for anything,
so indexing is totally redundant for me anyway.

Greetz
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07 Nov 2009   #36
torrentg

7600.20510 x86
 
 

You also have to consider that if MFT is fragmented, not only does it make the HDD work more resulting in lesser performance, now the CPU has to work more too - raises CPU usage, even if only a little.
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07 Nov 2009   #37
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by torrentg View Post
You also have to consider that if MFT is fragmented, not only does it make the HDD work more resulting in lesser performance, now the CPU has to work more too - raises CPU usage, even if only a little.
Like I said, the effects on disk access and throughput are negligible, (also goes for MFT).

CPU usage raised by disk fragmentation? You're kidding right?

Edit: have you actually looked at the guy's specs? Intel i7, 6gb of ram, 100 to 300 fps gaming,
and you really think defragmentation on a freshly installed system causes momentary lapses of his system?
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07 Nov 2009   #38
torrentg

7600.20510 x86
 
 

No I don't. In my first post about the subject, I stated that it probably wouldn't help much.

And where do you think resources come from to access data on a fragmented drive with a fragmented MFT that is harder to read? The sky?
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07 Nov 2009   #39
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by torrentg View Post
No I don't. In my first post about the subject, I stated that it probably wouldn't help much.

And where do you think resources come from to access data on a fragmented drive with a fragmented MFT that is harder to read? The sky?
They come from a disk that couldn't care less about a bit of fragmentation.

It's like a mosquito sticking an elephant.

I will look up the articles where it's proven the maximum effect of an extremely fragmented disk is still only 0.5%.

But lets end the discussion, because it is surely not the problem in the OP's case.
His drive is new, and his W7 is freshly installed, so defragmentation is not an issue here.

I'm not trying to discredit you, just wanted to give the info, and not send the OP on a wild goose chase.
You chose not to take my word for it.

No hard feelings please.

Greetings
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07 Nov 2009   #40
H2SO4

Win7x64
 
 

It's on for young and old in this thread, and that tends to attract yours truly

@sotorious: Can you please describe the actual symptom(s) in a detailed and precise manner:

- What do you see and hear?

- How often does it occur?

- Is it limited to a specific game?

- Does the exact same thing ever happen outside of games?

- Do you know of any way to reproduce an instance of [symptom] on purpose?


At this stage, we're primarily interested in the symptoms. Let's leave the diagnoses for when we've actually got data.
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