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Windows 7: W7 vs Vista

27 May 2009   #31
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

7 was never intended to noticeably outperform Vista on a reasonable machine - and it doesn't.

The point of 7 is that it runs well on lower spec machines.

M$ got a fright when net/ note things started appearing with
Linux.

If the general public uses Linux and is happy with it - that is the end of M$ dominance.

The public at large doesn't know there is a viable alternative.

M$ wants to keep it that way.

Now they have something that will work well on net/ note, /whatever they call them next.

Shouldn't be too hard to get their "partners" to supply the machines with 7.

Linux disappears off the shelves - the Public stay ignorant - M$ retains it's market dominance.

That's business.


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27 May 2009   #32
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

From what I've been seeing here since the 7 betas is a rather striking difference in performance over both XP and Vista alike. While the RCs are larger in size they install to the drive faster, startup faster, shutdown faster, and a few other things like being a bit more responsive at the desktop in different areas.

The only constant item that needs to see a fix for presently is seen with every startup or reboot the power options is reset as well as forgetting a few folder settings. But 7 is still not a finished version at this time while many are trying to run it like it is as their primary OS.

Meanwhile in today's news from MS they made a correction on the "shutdown every 2hrs." dates for both the betas and RCs.


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28 May 2009   #33
jazzpicker

Win 7 Build 7000
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wysiwyg View Post
Probably but you'd need a large bank loan.

I'm talking average.

I agree, some of the new desktops are really powerful and need some space in the case and fans for cooling.
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28 May 2009   #34
Lebon14

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

For myself, I have both Vista Home Premium 32-bit and Seven 7100 RC and hell, I can tell the difference in booting.

The shut down is considerably faster on Seven.

Some stuff is faster on Vista while some other are in Seven.

Seven uses MUCH less RAM in my case...
Now I'm running Firefox, Windows Live Messenger, Mozilla Sunbird, foobar2000, mIRC, Steam and NOD32. Windows 7 uses ~775MB of RAM. Note that I disabled no Windows services. Vista would use around 1GB of RAM for the same thing! Wow...

Anyway, my opinion.
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28 May 2009   #35
wysiwyg

Vista Ultimate 32 bit, Win 7 Pro 32 bit, Win 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
7 was never intended to noticeably outperform Vista on a reasonable machine - and it doesn't.

The point of 7 is that it runs well on lower spec machines.

M$ got a fright when net/ note things started appearing with
Linux.

If the general public uses Linux and is happy with it - that is the end of M$ dominance.

The public at large doesn't know there is a viable alternative.

M$ wants to keep it that way.

Now they have something that will work well on net/ note, /whatever they call them next.

Shouldn't be too hard to get their "partners" to supply the machines with 7.

Linux disappears off the shelves - the Public stay ignorant - M$ retains it's market dominance.

That's business.
M$ frightened of Linux, dream on.
But the general public don't want Linux, market figures prove it.
Of course the public knows there are alternatives, but they are not viable to them, and thats the criterion, common sense prevails to go with the system with most support, for both hardware and software.

M$ and any company wants to keep their markets, and why clutter up the shelves with a non-seller.

Market forces are the base of all popular usage. always has been, always will be.

M$ 85%, Linux 1.02% nuff said.
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28 May 2009   #36
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

No, they don't know.

Many people I ask have never heard of it.

Of the few who have heard the name - most don't know anything about it, how to get it, etc. Moreover, they are not interested.

What comes with the machine is what they use.

Many don't even know the name of the o/s they are currently using.

M$ were definitely very concerned about the emergence of Linux on machines generally available to the public - and they were right to be.

Their market dominance is not due to Windows being superior ( it may be, but that is not the reason for the monopoly position) - it is due to clever business strategy - and being in the right place at the time.

Keeping the public ignorant of a viable alternative is what matters here.

If M$ had just kept Vista and phased out XP - they would have nothing to put on the net/note etc.

Hundreds of millions of people would be using a non microsoft o/s.

They can't afford for that to happen.

That is what 7 is for.
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28 May 2009   #37
AstaLaVista

Windows 7 x64 (Ultimate)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
7 was never intended to noticeably outperform Vista on a reasonable machine - and it doesn't.
Well, I am a Noob but I sure noticed a hellacious difference between the two of them.

I really could care less about the eye candy stuff that Vista brings that may not be on 7, I also understand the other side of the token, the majority of the people who will use a computer love eye candy and care very little about performance... until they have used the thing for a while that is!

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
The point of 7 is that it runs well on lower spec machines.
And how is this a "Bad Thing" when it comes to choosing between the two OSs?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
If the general public uses Linux and is happy with it - that is the end of M$ dominance.
I hardly doubt this is the case but, knowing how Big Corps think, they would want zero competition from anybody.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
The public at large doesn't know there is a viable alternative.
This is also true for the most part. Heck, I would probably think that if you put 2 notebooks with two different OS that act similarly, the vast majority of user wouldn't notice a difference.
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28 May 2009   #38
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Hi,

It's not a bad thing.

In fact , M$ have done a great job with with 7 - they have nipped and tucked to make it work on lower spec machines , and haven't lost anything in the process.

Anybody faced with the choice of buying Vista or 7 would likely choose 7.

Those who already have Vista on a reasonable machine, and can't notice any improvement, may not want to rush out and buy it.

I see no difference in performance between the two - like many others. In fact Vista boots considerably faster on my machine - despite having a lot more programs installed.

Your perception may be different - it's a free (ish) world.
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28 May 2009   #39
tw33k

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
7 was never intended to noticeably outperform Vista on a reasonable machine - and it doesn't.

The point of 7 is that it runs well on lower spec machines.

M$ got a fright when net/ note things started appearing with
Linux.

If the general public uses Linux and is happy with it - that is the end of M$ dominance.

The public at large doesn't know there is a viable alternative.

M$ wants to keep it that way.

Now they have something that will work well on net/ note, /whatever they call them next.

Shouldn't be too hard to get their "partners" to supply the machines with 7.

Linux disappears off the shelves - the Public stay ignorant - M$ retains it's market dominance.

That's business.
excellent point. i agree with you
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29 May 2009   #40
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
Hi,

It's not a bad thing.

In fact , M$ have done a great job with with 7 - they have nipped and tucked to make it work on lower spec machines , and haven't lost anything in the process.

Anybody faced with the choice of buying Vista or 7 would likely choose 7.

Those who already have Vista on a reasonable machine, and can't notice any improvement, may not want to rush out and buy it.

I see no difference in performance between the two - like many others. In fact Vista boots considerably faster on my machine - despite having a lot more programs installed.

Your perception may be different - it's a free (ish) world.
I just spent the last 8hrs. seeing a clean install of Vista plus all 298mb of updates, installation of both SP1 and SP2 in concession plus seeing IE 8 installed. You know how it takes to see that much? 20 minutes clean install plus time for drivers/softwares roughly 3hrs. tops!

The main difference between right from the start is the introduction of the MinWin kernel which essentially is starting off with a new core element. MS finally realized Windows was getting too large and slow with Vista and took steps to 7's core redesigned into the modular form. On the basically Vista ready system here 7 takes the lead every time!
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