x58A-UD3R - included: Dump & System files

[CarlTR6]

Your overclocking, again.

You should set you BIOS at defaults, test for stability. Run memtest86+, if it passes then run Prime95 blend test.

Worry about RAM frequency later, first get your system stable. If it's not stable at default settings, then you know you have a problem with your RAM.
Once you OC you don't know what the cause of your instability is from.

Spot on advice!

 

[hello people]

I tested it for 7 hours....as specified earlier.

NO error

Now what?

THANKS

 

[sygnus21]

XMP is not supported by my ram modules.

No the cpuz spd is different.

Before I revert and do that...I have tweaked bios from defaults doing this:

from default bios settings....to get my ram to run at spec (1600) I changed to these settings in bios:

memory multi - x12
uncore - x25
ram voltage - 1.66
timings 9 9 9 24/ command rate 1
qpi/ vtt - 1.315v

This is my cpuz:

The ram looks like it is running at the right speed now...but the 'Clocks core speed' is 1598.9mhz......shouldn't it be running at 2.8ghz/ 2800mhz?

- What kind of RAM is this?
- What are the specs of the RAM?

If the spec sheet for the modules say, for example... 1600MHz @8-8-8-20, Volt 1.6, and the modules don't support XMP.... then that's what you'd manually set in the BIOS.

In short, what's posted on the modules is what should be set in the BIOS! This way you take the "guess" work out.

My corsair modules for example are designed to run @ 1600MHz, 8-8-8-20, 1.6 Volts. However, and this is where experience comes in, even though my modules support XMP, I set them manually because XMP raises my CPU Vcore & QPI/VTT voltages higher than I actually need.

My point.... set the RAM to their specified specs manually!!!

Right now your RAM sticks are running at 1600, if they’re designed to run at that speed, no problem, if not….problem. Read the spec sheet!!!

Some people will tell you anything above 1066 is theoretically overclocked, that’s debatable. Again, my system doesn’t have to be overclocked to run my modules at 1600, all I have to do is enable XMP and the modules run at that speed.

I would suggest you run the system at its default settings but manually set the RAM to its specs, run mentest. If the RAM errors out, you know you have a problem with the RAM running at its intended speed!!! If no errors, you know the RAM is stable at that speed and the BSOD's aren't RAM related!!!

Now, once you start overclocking from there... well...

Hope this clears things up.

 

[hello people]

I mentioned what kind of ram it was some posts ago.

Just ran with this. Cold boot....after 3 hrs almost......no boot....dbl boot....no actual bsod

memory multi - x12
uncore - x25
ram voltage - 1.66
timings 9 9 9 24/ command rate 1
qpi/ vtt - 1.315v

 

[sygnus21]

Just ran with this. Cold boot....after 3 hrs almost......no boot....dbl boot....no actual bsod

Not sure what you mean here, but if the system is failing to boot with the RAM at its rated speed, replace it.

If the system is only two weeks old, there's no need in fighting faulty RAM. Have it fixed, replaced, or returned.

Bought whole system (you can see in 'my system specs') 2 weeks ago

 

[spyknee]

First off his latest cpu z shows a cpu underclock. Defaults values will not put the hardware at specs. It will allow the puter to POST, so you can enter bios and SET THE MANUFACTURERS SPECS!

Threader,
you should set the cpu to 2.8 GHz, at correct voltage, same for ram. You need to set these values with the base clock and dram settings. They are interlinked with a QPI mobo.
I think that uncore multi is to high. Default it for now. You will change that when you get a stable platform you can OC. You need to strike a balance with the different options that get you a CPU at 2.8GHz and RAM at 1600MHz. I say disable eist, ht, green lan all those things that leave decisions for the mobo to make.
You need a stable baseline to start with if you intend to OC. You also need to let mobo run awhile with baseline settings to break the mobo in, before going to OC mode. I have done these things, this build has never crashed, except once, I was playing with video card. Its OC'd to hell. You'll luv how the X58 OC's with QPI. But slow down and get a baseline, watch the linked relationships in bios!

Its been awhile since build and I'm slowly remembering my approach. Its an amatuers approach, very simple. If you are interested I will get more detailed.
ie: look my bios again for choices, refresh me mind.

 

[sygnus21]

Was this addressed to me?

First off his latest cpu z shows a cpu underclock. Defaults values will not put the hardware at specs. It will allow the puter to POST, so you can enter bios and SET THE MANUFACTURERS SPECS!

No kidding :sarc:

Please read this entire thread before making assumptions!!!

BTW his "cpu underclock" is caused by EIST (Enhanched Intel Speedstep Technology) In short.... his power management, as explained here... http://www.sevenforums.com/crashes-...included-dump-system-files-4.html#post1014795, in this very thread

 

[spyknee]

No it was not. It was directed at the thread in general. I have read the thread. I did not get pointed when my advice was gainsayed. I stated what was to me the obvious based on his last cpu z pic.
This is about helping the threader, you and I do not matter! So........................moving forward. LOL

 

[hello people]

I'm buying a new board and ram.....any tips?

I want a great board but not over featured....but a great board and ram that is perfect for it

Any ideas....remember my cpu is i7930

 

[spyknee]

I'm buying a new board and ram.....any tips?

I want a great board but not over featured....but a great board and ram that is perfect for it

Any ideas....remember my cpu is i7930

Well considering your current is the one I use. I'm tainted.
Your keeping the cpu, obviously you select one that the cpu is for. DOH!
Select a mobo that works your video card wants. ie SLI or Cross Fire
Add ram thats on the mobos QVL.
Get the right SATA ports for your drive, another mobo consideration. SATA 1, 2 or 3.
Onboard sound??????
Luck

 

[hello people]

Maybe I should just buy new ram....but 1600 again??

I'm floundering here...out of my depth

BTW...thanks all for trying to help me...and can I ask a question.....for those who know the thread....

What is your gut instinct? Do you think my ram is bad?

 

[Dave76]

Your motherboard is fine, maybe a BIOS issue, but as spyknee mentioned, he has the same motherboard and no problems.

I would get new RAM, make sure it is listed on you motherboard QVL.
Several things about your current RAM suggest it will not work correctly on your motherboard.

Since your RAM is fairly new you should be able to return it and get the correct RAM for your motherboard.

 

[hello people]

If I buy new ram....what bios should I use? Last official one?

Would I just install the ram physically and the bios will do the rest?

Will I have to go back to bios for my new ram to adjust its settings?

 

[spyknee]

Maybe I should just buy new ram....but 1600 again??

I'm floundering here...out of my depth

BTW...thanks all for trying to help me...and can I ask a question.....for those who know the thread....

What is your gut instinct? Do you think my ram is bad?

The bios needs to be set proper for hardware you have. Turn off all the goodies that are suppose to conserve power or slow down the cpu for usage considerations.

Get a stable unchanging baseline. Hell I could just put up my cpu and ram settings but mine aren't yours. Go into bios set it to your hardware.
Look you have a 2.8GHz cpu, your multiplier is gonna be greater than 12. Your default base clck is 133. 133 x 12 =?
Cpu z has you at 1.5GHz. So to raise cpu to 2.8 you either increase the multiplier,
133 X 20 = ? or you increase the base clck, 140 X 12 =

Base clck x multiplier = CPU MHz

? X 12 = 2800MHz or
133 X ? = 2800MHz

Disable iest

Now based on what your ram ratio is, it will change the rams MHz setting based on the base clck.
Ram you put in the voltage manually, you set the initial timings manually, you dither with the rato untill it works with base clck to get 1600MHz setting.

base clck x dram ratio = ram MHz
133 x 10 to 2 = 1600MHz

Do not hold me to the exact math, illustration only. Do you have enough to experiment???

You see why I say theres a balance.

You buy another board but still do not set it up correctly.....................................
slow down and experiment, go in and make the numbers move. If its already broken, you can't hurt it. And if it is broken, expose yourself to what to expect with the replacement.

 

[hello people]

I can get all those figures as you say in CPUZ....I can get 2.8....I can get 1600 ram...everything works...

I just can not cold boot

Seriously...I have tweaked bios carefully...testing....cpuz tells me my cpu is at 2.8...cpuz tells me my ram is at 1600

I'll post you the screenshot to prove it!

So which setting do I adjust/ test to stop it from failing on a cold boot???

But a cold boot just doesn't work.

So I don't know what to do now

 

[spyknee]

Frustrating I know.
You say that you can get hardware settings in, at the manufacturers specs, yes?

You can set the bios up and get POST, yes?

You say cold boots are the hang ups, how have you got passed the bsod?

If you can get booted to windows, do so and leave on all night. No hibernate just and S1 sleep. Make sure all the case connections are correct. Power button, reset button etc...

 

[hello people]

Yes to all those questions I can get the hardware specs up.....how I get past BSOD on a cold boot......I just restart restart restart until the ******* boots. Sometimes I unplug HD cables and replug in.

Leave it on all night.........what's the reason for doing this?

Will it make my computer work on a cold boot?

Will it help in some way?

 

[hello people]

May I offer a summary of where I'm at now?

Ok thanks...where do I begin!? At the beginning.


Some preliminaries (my PC now):


OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
CPU i7 930 2.8g
Motherboard x58A-Ud3R rev2.0 FC2 (FC2 is the latest beta BIOS, sent to me personally by Gigabyte)
Memory 6gig ADATA DDR3 1600
Graphics Card HIS ETI pcie HD5670
Sound Card Presonus Firebox
Monitor(s) Displays 19" LG Flatron
PSU Cooler Master 700W Silent Pro
Case Antec
Cooling Zalman CPU Cooler CNPS10x-Quiet
Hard Drives 2x1TB Seagate Sata2 7200

So two weeks ago it was time to buy a new PC. The last one I had I built in 2005. I assembled components for what I thought would be a powerful system for recording audio and mixing audio. These were the components on my list:

i7-930
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R Rev2.0
6 GB (2 x 3 GB) Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8-8-8-24 DDR3 1600 RAM
Zalman CNPS10X Quiet CPU Cooler
HIS H465PS1GH Radeon HD 4650 fanless Video Card (I did not end up getting this card. I got the one listed above)
(2) Samsung F3 500 GB Hard Drives
Pioneer DVD-RW with Lightscribe
Cooler Master Silent Pro M700 PSU
Antec Solo Case

I showed this list to my friend (quite good with computers) and he suggested that the ram was not gettable...so recommended I get this ram:

A-DATA AX3U DDR3 - 1600g (9) 2G9-1G 2Gx16
A70-090131 Gaming Series
Voltage: 1.55-1.75v
CL: 9-9-9-24

Here's some pictures of one of the modules:

Ok...I came home and assembled the components carefully. In the back of my mind I kind of suspected there might be some teething problems especially considering my very low level knowledge of BIOS and RAM configurations. I hoped that the default BIOS configurations would be enough to drive my hardware to the best of its ability...to its spec. Anyway, the build was successful. The OS installed nicely and the PC booted up first go. I was pretty happy. I used the computer normally for 1 week. I installed some software...the usual things. Then after about a week I got curious...I wanted to find some apps to look under the hood. I started using CPUZ, realtemp and generally looking in Task Manager at things like Performance and Resource Monitor.

The first suspect thing I noticed was that not all of my RAM was being recognised. I had 3x2g modules in there but only one was being recognised. I also noticed when looking in Task Manager/ Resource Monitor/ Memory/ Hardware Reserved that 4096mb were allocated to 'Hardware Reserve'. This didn't sound right so I googled it. I found out that typically the Hardware Reserved is value is more like 10-60mb! So...I googled these problems and found out that the fix was commonly found to be a BIOS update. I went to the Gigabyte site and downloaded the newest official BIOS called FB. I flashed BIOS (from within BIOS) and rebooted. It was successful....all RAM modules showed up and my Hardware Reserved value was 2mb! I thought I was in the clear.

So I shut down the PC and went to work. In the afternoon I came home and turned my computer on....failure. I did not get any specific actual blue screen....the PC just keep cycling. It would reach the Windows loading screen and reboot itself. I was pretty worried! So anyway all I could do was turn it off. All I could think to do was to disconnect the HD cables (both the power and sata cables). I plugged them back in again and rebooted...and it worked. Then for a while as I restarted sometimes it would boot, other times not. That was maybe a week ago. Every cold boot for a week has failed. Eventually the PC boots. Once it's booted it seems to run fine. It's fast and responsive...but using the utilities like CPUZ and realtemp...I knew that there were problems.

For starters...it seemed that the RAM was not running at 1600. It also seemed that the CPU was not running to it's potential. That's when I started looking on forums to find an answer to the cold boot issues and to the RAM/ CPU issues. I opened up the hugest can of computing worms I've ever seen. There's people out there with this x58A-UD3R board in all sorts of trouble. I followed all kinds of advice...I used BIOS versions FB, FC1, FC2...I altered BIOS settings at will. dRam values, qpi/vtt, memory timings, uncore values, memory multi values. My aim was to get the RAM to run at spec and the CPU to do the same. Nothing I tried worked. The PC continued to fail on cold boots. Sometimes an actual blue screen would show...other times not. In altering settings in BIOS it seems that I was able to get the PC to run at spec. The CPU reported something like 2900mhz...slightly above the 2.8 spec. The RAM also ran at 1600. But the PC failed on cold boots every time.

I never went back to the initial BIOS FA to check that.


Before I forget...some info about my RAM...and the compatibility list:

RAM
A-DATA OC Offical Website

Compatibility List
http://download.gigabyte.asia/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-x58a-ud3r_v2.0.pdf

Ok...so I will show you my FC2 BIOS settings as they are now and with the PC idle. Also I'll post some images of CPUZ and realtemp.

These are in no real order...but they should cover pretty much all the main sections and subsections of my BIOS:

Well...that is about at...can you please have a look...and if there is any other info you need or you think would be helpful, let me know

[FONT=&quot]thanks very much [/FONT]

 

[spyknee]

GA-X58A-UD3R (rev. 2.0) - GIGABYTE

This is your board ?

Does not support 1600MHz ram?????????????????? or its not listed anyways. Goes from 1333 to 2200MHz??????

Use the FB bios listed. No BETA's from somewhere else.

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=41447
your cpu, under dram specs only 800/1066 is listed???????????????????

Anyways,
You say you can get spec settings, So do so.
CPU at 2800MHZ at 1.3volts
RAM at 1600MHz at 1.7volts, timings all auto. 9-9-9-24 at 1T is what you would put in manually. Remove all sticks but 1, in slot closest CPU.
Run memtest on that stick, maybe two passes. Any errors, mark stick and put in a different one. Get 1 with no errors.
Remove sound card, vid card closet PCI slot to cpu.

Bios suggestions,

cpu warn temp enable
cpu fan fail enable
smart fan disable

ACPI suspend type S1
Soft Off by PWR But 4 sec off
PME...... disable
power on by ring disable
HPET disable
power on mouse and keyboard disable

Is your drive SATA 3 ready
SATA 3 firmware selection ??????

SATA Port 0-3 native mode enable

full screen logo disable
init display first choose pci-e if your card ready

Intel turbo boost disable
cpu eist disable

cpu vcore 1.3volts
dram volts 1.7

system mem multi manual ???? you want 1600MHz
performance enhance standard or lowest option

base clck get a 2800MHz cpu

Turning off Intel boost will only allow for a 20x multi, so

base clck x multi = 2800MHz
? x 20 = 2800MHz
base clck = 140

 

[hello people]

I think it would be better to just go and get 1066 ram

I don't want to OC my PC just so I can run ram that would give a barely noticeably increase in performance

.....but the only 1066 ram on the compat sheet that is of any note (in terms of manufacturer) is:

Kingston KVR1066D3N7/2G

And besides.............SO MANY people ARE getting their x58A-UD3r boards to work with 1600 ram