Apple takes a few shots at Windows during WWDC09

[Lordbob75]

During this year's WWDC, Apple took the time to talk up Snow Leopard, the successor to Mac OS X, but also made sure to talk about Windows. Apple's Bertrand Serlet made a point to say that the company loves and is proud of Leopard, so to show that the next version built upon the previous one, the company called the operating system Snow Leopard. Serlet called Windows 7 "just another version" of Windows Vista, noting that the user still has to deal with DLLs, the registry, disk defragmenter, and so on. He emphasized that Microsoft has dug quite a big hole with Vista and is trying to get out of it with Windows 7, at which point the screen showed the rather harsh quote: "Vista has failed to catch on with mainstream computer users, while businesses have shunned it outright." On top of that, he said that Windows 7 has "even more complexity" since it is "the same old tech as Vista" and is "just another version of Vista."
Apple frequently badmouths Windows at its events, since in terms of market share, Mac OS X is in a very distant second. Actions speak louder than words though; the real attack from Apple comes in the form of the $29 price tag to upgrade from Leopard to Snow Leopard. Even according to a leaked Best Buy memo from last week (that includes possible upgrade prices to Windows 7), Microsoft won't be matching such a low price. Whether the upgrade to Snow Leopard is comparable to the upgrade to Windows 7 is of course very important, but when it comes to marketing and fanboy flame wars, it's just irrelevant. Money talks, and right now it isn't looking very good for Microsoft (though I believe Windows 7 will do very well regardless of price). Redmond is expected to announce Windows 7 pricing later this month.

Apple takes a few shots at Windows during WWDC09 - Ars Technica

What is it with Apple and bashing Windows? They do it in their commercials, they do it in their articles, but do you ever see M$ bashing apple? Nope! M$ talks about what is good with their OS, what was improved, what needs work, etc. I know nothing about Snow Leopard save that Apple thinks its better than Seven and it is much cheaper (to upgrade). And obviously, whoever wrote that has not USED windows Seven. Which is something you need to do before writing a comparison on two competing products!

~Lordbob

 

[PotatoMan83]

a few years back when they started with the Intel Dual Core processors in their iMacs, I bought one for an ex gf, and it cost about $2400.00 US. At the same time I built a PC nearly triple the power for about $800.00 US. Nuff said.

 

[Lordbob75]

a few years back when they started with the Intel Dual Core processors in their iMacs, I bought one for an ex gf, and it cost about $2400.00 US. At the same time I built a PC nearly triple the power for about $800.00 US. Nuff said.

That is pretty much the standard. Their stuff costs more because of the name brand. Not the power.

~Lordbob

 

[tangcla]

It looks pretty and is available in white. Girls (and artsy types) love it.

 

[Silenthillnight]

I own a Mac but I use windows 7 as its primary OS

 

[Fizban]

do you ever see M$ bashing apple? Nope!

Yes, a half hour ago in fact I saw a M$ commercial bashing Apple. Made them look to be far more expensive than they actually are and as if you have to be filthy rich to afford an Apple, which really isn't the case any more.

And obviously, whoever wrote that has not USED windows Seven. Which is something you need to do before writing a comparison on two competing products!

~Lordbob

What makes you think that they haven't used Windows 7? I'm typing this forum post from Windows t Build 7229, I bet ya people that work for Macintosh have downloaded the leaked Windows builds or the beta/RC to be able to make a valid comparison.

PS: I'm not an Apple fanboy, I primarily work with Linux. I consider Vista to have been a piece of crap, I had repeated issues with it, most annoyingly a Windows Update that corrupted my USB drivers and made me unable to use my mouse. I am quite fond of Windows 7 so far though and have no severe problems when using it.

 

[jblazea50]

i tried the mac mini, but i was getting really slow wireless connection since the placement of the aircard was flawed to start with and was getting about 20% signal strength and internet speed of ~2.0mb while my internet connection is ~20mb

so i returned that sucker asap and built a much better, faster PC for about the same price and not having any issues at all

 

[XxKOLOHExX]

Was so hilarious that WWDC they took maybe 6 shots at windows... Its true all the OS stayed the same no big jumps in technology but Windows 7 is getting there

 

[garysgold]

the real attack from Apple comes in the form of the $29 price tag

Whenever someone says something like 'So and so's said he could do it for $100 less', my response is always 'He knows best what his work is worth.'

I think Apple knows best what their work is worth.

Besides they have to make it cheap. If they don't they'll lose the little bit of market share they gained when Vista came out.

Gary

 

[BuzWeaver]

a few years back when they started with the Intel Dual Core processors in their iMacs, I bought one for an ex gf, and it cost about $2400.00 US. At the same time I built a PC nearly triple the power for about $800.00 US. Nuff said.

This is essentially what the new Microsoft commercials are emphasizing (price). I worked as an Apple Specialist for 3 years, I don't think Microsoft or PC's have anything to be 'overly' concerned about, particularily when it comes to price point.

Macs are sexy and relatively low maintenance, as far as the OS, but they have their share of issues (hardware wise they are a pain). They have a great resell value, but this does not offset the amount you'd be investing in buying a MacBook Pro or Mac Pro.

 

[Lordbob75]

Yes, a half hour ago in fact I saw a M$ commercial bashing Apple. Made them look to be far more expensive than they actually are and as if you have to be filthy rich to afford an Apple, which really isn't the case any more.




What makes you think that they haven't used Windows 7? I'm typing this forum post from Windows t Build 7229, I bet ya people that work for Macintosh have downloaded the leaked Windows builds or the beta/RC to be able to make a valid comparison.

PS: I'm not an Apple fanboy, I primarily work with Linux. I consider Vista to have been a piece of crap, I had repeated issues with it, most annoyingly a Windows Update that corrupted my USB drivers and made me unable to use my mouse. I am quite fond of Windows 7 so far though and have no severe problems when using it.

Hmmm... I still haven't seen a M$ commercial bashing them, but I will take your word for it.

My point was that there was a good chance that the person who wrote that article has not used Seven, which was why they were calling it "Just another Vista", which it obviously isn't to anyone who has used it.

~Lordbob

 

[Dorfdad]

Without getting into the whole windows is better or OS is better I can tell you why Apple has been bashing Microsoft and it is working!

Without a doubt we can all agree that vista's launch was horrible, horrible PR horrible compatibility, and horrible performance I spent about 300.00 on it and I was and am still highly pissed about that one.

Apple released OS-X 10 and it was a Major improvement over older OS's added alot of consumer bells and whistles.

Apple decided to focus on the problems vista and windows has been having for years and since then they are the fastest growing computer OS and hardware sales.

I myself personally switched to OS-X as a techie challenge but I found an OS I loved.

Ive not had to reformat my machine in 2 years in windows I had to every 6 months (your milage may very) due to spyware or virus problems.

Ok so I install spyware and antivirus sopftware on the PC and steal away resources and speed from the PC just to make it work virus free. OS-X didnt have this problem

If a virus somehow DOES infect a PC you simply delete the app and reinstall it. No other application are affected (Windows the registry is the biggest problem) it touches everything!

Apple decided to target these consumer fears or issues and its been a boom to them.

I hate that apple chrages a premium for the Hardware though they make nice stuff (not dell or Gateway quality mind you)

I have family pictures, movies, and data that I keep on the MAC because I just do not trust them on the PC. However I miss gaming and thats where the PC excels.

So I have both now and I love what windows 7 is showing though there are negatives as well. I will be getting 7 since it's what Vista should have been.

Im praying that soon I can hackintosh my PC and dual boot windows 7 and SNow Leopard on this thing!

 

[Dark Nova Gamer]

Apple and Microsoft will always be going at it. I love how Apple brings up how Windows 7 is basically the same as Vista, when Snow Leopard is also basically the same as leopard (aside from being partly x64 and some different features).

To the above poster, <3 hackintosh's =P

 

[banderz777]

I to am a Mac user also but my love for PC is greater. I went out and got me a old Ibook when I found out how bad VISTA was and I must say the older mac's are great, my Ibook 600Mhz processor PPC was as fast as my 1.7Ghz laptop and now that Apple is using Intel I am going to make me a Hackintosh to have the best of both worlds. But I can't wait for Windows7 to come out because it has made a big improvement over VISTA.

 

[copernicus]

My favorite part was when they ranked on windows for stealing ideas, minutes later they show the new expose feature that looks very much like the taskbar thumbnails on W7.

 

[damoh]

lol @ apple slating of 7 for being a revamped vista, yet snow leopard is built on leopard. go figure that!

 

[jw12345]

lol @ apple slating of 7 for being a revamped vista, yet snow leopard is built on leopard. go figure that!

I think the thought process was supposed to be: Vista=bad, Leopard=good, 7=more Vista=more bad, and Snow Leopard=more Leopard=more good.

I think the point Apple was trying to make is that Microsoft was continuing on a rocky path while they were expanding their already excellent product. It's a exaggeration, but, hey, marketing right? Both sides do their share of these kind of things.

 

[Klaw117]

I saw this before and all I can say is that I have lost all respect for Apple. Microsoft never disses Apple the way Apple disses Microsoft. Also, that post about Microsoft saying Macs are overpriced...was that the ad that said if someone could find a PC for less than $1400, Microsoft would pay for it? I saw that and actually, I don't think Microsoft dissed Apple directly. Instead, it was some person they asked randomly.

Plus, the stuff that Apple says usually is extremely overexaggerated or sometimes just not true. I've used Vista and never had a problem with it (actually, I loved it) and I know others who have no problem with it as well. Also, the ads are very hypocritical because some of the things that Apple criticizes about Microsoft are actually done by Apple as well (for example, Microsoft is criticized for using stuff from Apple while Apple has actually used some ideas from Microsoft as well).

 

[jw12345]

I generally don't like the Apple ads, but Microsoft's relative silence about Apple in their ads isn't because Microsoft is clean and decent. Market leaders absolutely never strive to draw comparisons between them and a small player unless they feel threatened. It's Marketing 101. The Laptop Hunters ad campaign somewhat mentions Apple, but the implication that they are much more expensive for identical hardware is simply false. Apple hardware is reasonably priced for the most part, and the comparisons are always with inferior pc models claimed as equivalents.

I'm sure that if Apple continues to grow, Microsoft will be just as brutal and piercing. It's just how competition works.

 

[Lordbob75]

I generally don't like the Apple ads, but Microsoft's relative silence about Apple in their ads isn't because Microsoft is clean and decent. Market leaders absolutely never strive to draw comparisons between them and a small player unless they feel threatened. It's Marketing 101. The Laptop Hunters ad campaign somewhat mentions Apple, but the implication that they are much more expensive for identical hardware is simply false. Apple hardware is reasonably priced for the most part, and the comparisons are always with inferior pc models claimed as equivalents.

I'm sure that if Apple continues to grow, Microsoft will be just as brutal and piercing. It's just how competition works.

I just compared the MacBook Pro 15" to a Dell Studio 15". I could find almost no Hardware specs on Apple's website, but compared what I could. Overall, the Dell is about $1000 for about the same Hardware.

~Lordbob