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Malware turns off Windows UAC

Computerworld - Microsoft this week urged users to keep an oft-criticized Windows security feature turned on, even as it said that more malware is disabling the tool.

User Account Control (UAC) is the feature that debuted in Vista and revised in Windows 7 that prompts users to approve certain actions, including software installation.

UAC was "universally hated" in Vista, and was a major complaint about the unsuccessful operating system, a Gartner security analyst said more than two years ago.

"From a usability standpoint, no one was happy. And from a security standpoint, no one was happy either, because we knew that people get 'click fatigue,'" said John Pescatore of Gartner in the months before Windows 7's launch.

Microsoft took the complaints to heart, and downplayed UAC in Windows 7 after its data showed users got irritated when they faced more than two such prompts in a session at the computer.

This week, Microsoft's Malware Protection Center (MMPC) said that malware was increasingly turning off UAC as a way to disguise its presence on infected PCs.
Malware turns off Windows' UAC, warns Microsoft - Computerworld
 

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Everyone who had that turned on, in my experience, was still infected.
 

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well if it wasn't over zealous every time i did something or had an option to "remember this" it would still be turned on, on mine
but when it ask.... a program wants to run did you do this and you click yes then it pops up several tame after say are you sure? did you really do this? don't you mine if your pc blows up? and don't come crying to me if your PC messes up!!!
oh and not to mention the lag taken to initialize
MS need to take time to improve it before the wine about how people have turned it off...... well that's my opinion anyway
 

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well if it wasn't over zealous every time i did something or had an option to "remember this" it would still be turned on, on mine
but when it ask.... a program wants to run did you do this and you click yes then it pops up several tame after say are you sure? did you really do this? don't you mine if your pc blows up? and don't come crying to me if your PC messes up!!!
oh and not to mention the lag taken to initialize
If it had an ability to "remember to allow this to elevate to admin", it really wouldn't provide any protection any more for that application.

My UAC only comes up 1 time, when I first launch the application...it shouldn't be repeatedly nagging you.

I don't have any lag time. As soon as I click on the icon of a program with a shield, my screen darkens and the prompt pops up. It's no more than 1/4 second.

On a desktop computer, I've never turned UAC off. I hardly even notice it's there. I'm always baffled by those who are so turned off by it, and bothered by the prompts. I'm unsure why every single application you seem to run wants to elevate to admin privileges. In looking at my box, the only apps I have that I use regularly that throw a UAC prompt are Acronis True Image (I run about once every 2 weeks), and malware bytes (about once per month)
 

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OK so maybe im just impatient.... a few seconds can last a long time IMO
Again not every program will warrant a repeated set of assurance queries but there are many i use that do and it becomes truly annoying
As a more advanced user i would prefer to ask UAC to remember my decisions
for example every time i boot UAC will question Uguru (OC utility)... i trust this program but UAC will not remember that its a trusted program and thus every start-up will prompt an allow or deny and dramatically increasing start-up performance
If you could tell it to trust the source then it wouldn't be an issue for me but till then its disabled
 

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I leave mine on and it's currently at the default settings. On Windows Vista, I have to agree that it was dead annoying but on Windows 7, it's a pleasure working with UAC now... there's not so much prompt at all. the only software I use that keeps telling me it needs admin rights is because it isn't compatible Aero and needs to change the theme in order to run... no big deal.
 

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I leave mine on and it's currently at the default settings. On Windows Vista, I have to agree that it was dead annoying but on Windows 7, it's a pleasure working with UAC now... there's not so much prompt at all. the only software I use that keeps telling me it needs admin rights is because it isn't compatible Aero and needs to change the theme in order to run... no big deal.


I never really paid this much mind as it was like this on vista too

It is a good thing to have if you want to make sure you are getting the correct application

Also if you really insist on overriding the prompt it will let you do so at your own risk

Most users buy machines premade with tons of bloatware not to mention unnessary utilities

IMHO I would just be carefull about freeware and supposed file cleaners etc some of them are promted as virus as well

But in a perfect world viruses would never be a issue .Let's face it though there are people purposly making virus just for the sake of messing things up so no matter what we're really not safe just have to be carefull :cool:
 

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well if it wasn't over zealous every time i did something or had an option to "remember this" it would still be turned on, on mine
but when it ask.... a program wants to run did you do this and you click yes then it pops up several tame after say are you sure? did you really do this? don't you mine if your pc blows up? and don't come crying to me if your PC messes up!!!
oh and not to mention the lag taken to initialize
MS need to take time to improve it before the wine about how people have turned it off...... well that's my opinion anyway

Hallelujah and Amen could not of said it better myself.
 

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OK so maybe im just impatient.... a few seconds can last a long time IMO

Impatience can get your machine infected. Even with a system image it can take about 30 minutes to get you back online. Without a system image maybe a day or two to get your machine to where it was before the infection.

So let's see ... a few seconds to click on that "annoying" prompt, or a full day or more to reinstall and reconfigure everything. Hmm ... ;)
 

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nagged me more than my mom

no thanks!
 

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OK so maybe im just impatient.... a few seconds can last a long time IMO

Impatience can get your machine infected. Even with a system image it can take about 30 minutes to get you back online. Without a system image maybe a day or two to get your machine to where it was before the infection.

So let's see ... a few seconds to click on that "annoying" prompt, or a full day or more to reinstall and reconfigure everything. Hmm ... ;)

TBH i dislike system images..... they too can carry viruses without your knowledge!
I do much prefer to start from scratch no matter the time it takes to bring it back to where it was before

I keep all my important data backed up on external media so a virus doesn't bother me too much, along with the PRO tools i have and Technician experience i actually enjoy the challenge of find the virus and seeing how it works
(i always enjoyed a good game of hide & seek!)
If i cant get to fix it then the best virus removal tool is and F&R IMO

I suppose at the end of the day its all down to user preference and Knowledge
 

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Got used to it in Vista, used to prompts in Linux and I'm used to it in 7 now. I use it more as a 'Hey! This app wants to do this?' notice than so called 'protection'.

Commonly used apps that required elevated privilege prompts can be bypassed by creating a task in Task Scheduler.
Slashes the clicks right there.
 

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Mine is off, really what's the point.

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OK so maybe im just impatient.... a few seconds can last a long time IMO

Impatience can get your machine infected. Even with a system image it can take about 30 minutes to get you back online. Without a system image maybe a day or two to get your machine to where it was before the infection.

So let's see ... a few seconds to click on that "annoying" prompt, or a full day or more to reinstall and reconfigure everything. Hmm ... ;)

this is exactly why i push rollback rx for vista and win 7 machines over the image makes. if i do get something or i goof and mess something up i have two options. first click rollbacks tray icon and select a rollback point, or press the restart button and after the bios screen goes by hit the home key and i will be presented with the rollback options screen. altogether i'm back up and running in less than five minutes.
 

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Mine is off, really what's the point.

Best Regards,
FredeGail

I'm in complete agreement, however for the less than average (knowledge wise) user I suggest using default config. I don't go surfing on "dodgy" sites, and use other less "intrusive" protection methods, don't open attachments in e-mails, etc, etc... If I get a nasty (haven't since 8/2009 & before that in '05) I've got enough backup to restore from, none of this scanning and fussying with removal for me... and subscribe to Krebs' Rule #1:

If you didn't go looking for it, DON'T install it.:geek:
UAC just seems like overkill, and the "bad guys" know how to easily disable it.

IMHO.
 
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I personally prefer it turned off. I turned it off on Vista and I turned it off again on Windows 7 cause it was a hassle that annoyed many people.

UAC notifies changes to be made and stuff but it doesnt really tell you whether this third party stuff is known to be malicious or not.. There are other ways that malware can get into your PC besides software installation so in terms of security factors, I think UAC has little to contribute.
 

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UAC = useless an*** control :p:p

i have seen plenty if items that uac should popup on and it doesn't, and i have seen items that have been giving full permission still get flagged over and over again. look at business comps that have vista or 7 on them uac has been set to it's lowest setting or it has removed it completely.
 
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Id ike to see a poll on UAC
Im sure the trend would be that not many like it and that many have turned it off, i mean that's the general seances i get from this post anyway
dont get me wrong, its a nice little guard for the less savvy but not for me
again when i look back a few month to when i was working a a repair technician.... UAC was one of the biggest hindrances when trying to fix customer pc's/laptops
If i had an opinion that would affect the way we protected our pc's, it would be to educate people on what keeps them safe
there is a saying, if it can be made it can be broke.....well that saying goes the other way too if it can be broke it can be fixed..... though the later being harder
Education IMO its the best cure, i.e Many think Norton is the best because its a well known brand.... when in fact that info is wrong.... Norton is the most targeted AV by hackers because its a well known brand thus you will get an unwanted virus
Many would think an AV alone would keep you safe.... again it is wrong... you need other protection for Ad-ware and malware
Many more think IE must be the best browser because MS make it! (they know their stuff)and that's not entirely true
so as you can see education is the best form of protection
 

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TBH i dislike system images..... they too can carry viruses without your knowledge!
I do much prefer to start from scratch no matter the time it takes to bring it back to where it was before
When I load my OS, I install the OS, I activate it, install drivers and I run Windows update and then I take a "vanilla image". This is most likely the image that I would use, if it came down to it. Saves me the hassle of doing those basic steps. I have no problems reinstalling the rest of the apps that I use...and I usually only install them once I actually need them. No sense in restoring an application that I "used to use", that I don't have a need for anymore.

Mine is off, really what's the point
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FredeGail

Previous to the UAC system, users of the Windows operating system pretty much universally did everything with their "administrator" level account. And this was more or less a disaster, as everytime that they would get hit with anything while logged in, they had full and unfettered access to the entire box and their boxes would be infected and chock full of viruses, spayware, malware, rootkits, keyloggers, bot nets, etc.

Other operating systems (like OSX, Linux, Unix, etc), all used a very different approach to security. The typical user would run with a standard level user account that didn't have full admin access, and upon needing to do something that required a higher level of access, these users would authenticate against the system providing either a usernname/password combo or a password to allow a single command to do what it had to do and return them to their standard privileges.

Some features, like "protected mode" within the Internet Explorer browser require that UAC be enabled to function. This protected mode, issues a medium access token (rather than the high access you would get as an admin with UAC off). Thus, the system effectively is limited to a "sandbox" area that effectively protects your real system files unless you elevate using the UAC system. And since various toolbars and Active X controls run with the same level of privs the IE process has, these have lower access controls and thus the amount of damage that they can actually do the system is significantly reduced.

Sadly, I think people who experienced the over zealous approach of UAC with Vista simply decided to turn it off and never look back. The changes made to the way UAC works in Windows 7 are much better and make it pretty non-intrusive...however some people simply haven't given it the time of day and just make it standard issue to turn it off and forget about it.

Like I said earlier in the thread, on Windows 7 workstations I always leave UAC enabled and I don't suggest that people turn it off. Is it an infallible solution that offers 100% protection? No, but then again...nothing ever is. It's a layered approach and adds to the security there. I rarely get prompted for it. I guess it's just the nature of the apps that I use. And if there was a start up program that I had to use, which required a UAC prompt, you can set this up via a scheduled task to launch and you can launch with elevated privs...so that could contain that very specific situation.

Id ike to see a poll on UAC
Im sure the trend would be that not many like it and that many have turned it off, i mean that's the general seances i get from this post anyway
I use UAC and I never shut it off. .I want to be notified if my apps are doing something on my behalf and I want to run with the least amount of privilege as possible on my system while remaining as efficient as possible. I personally feel that UAC is pretty decent in this regard.

dont get me wrong, its a nice little guard for the less savvy but not for me
I always love the mentality that I'm such a savvy user that I know exactly what I am doing and I know exactly what all of my apps are doing all of the time and I don't need this. I would think a tech savvy user would really understand what this is doing and it's inherent benefits. But I think lots of "savvy" users also like to run zillions of system optimization apps that all require UAC escalations. Rather than question whether all of these apps are really necessary...we just continue to want to run all of them and simply turn off the security measures because that 1 simple click is just way too much. I think that is why I get along with UAC, because I don't fill my system will all of this crap (driver updaters, registry cleaners, defrag utilities, benchmarking tools, overclocking software, etc). The only tools I regularly use which prompt for UAC are Acronis True Image and Malwarebytes. And I don't run these every time I touch my computer.

If i had an opinion that would affect the way we protected our pc's, it would be to educate people on what keeps them safe
And it's kinda what UAC tries to do, limit their access and make them safer. MS has been trying to educate us, and developers on this by limiting this access and introducing the UAC system...but yet many simply blow it off as "it's not intended for me" and just don't educate themselves. From a development standpoint, I would prefer my applications not need admin level access. While some are system utilities simply "need it", many simply don't....but yet they still prompt because they aren't very well written apps. Educating users is a great goal to aspire too, but the vast majority of people simply won't understand, don't care and won't listen...and then there are those who just disregard it because they obviously "know better".
 

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