Microsoft Keeps Beating a Dead Browser

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Microsoft Keeps Beating a Dead Browser

I hate to be constantly beating a dead browser, but news about Internet Explorer 8 keeps coming up, kind of like a day-old fish taco at Earl's House of Chowder.

It seems Microsoft will stop at nothing to get people to try IE8. First, they published a "get the facts" comparison chart showing how -- surprise! -- IE8 bests Firefox and Chrome in virtually every way. (Note: Whenever anyone from Microsoft says "get the facts," the first thing you should get is your hip boots and waders, because it's going to pile up deep and fast.) I'm still scratching my head over the "Performance" blurb in that chart:

"Knowing the top speed of a car doesn't tell you how fast you can drive in rush hour. To actually see the difference in page loads between all three browsers, you need slow-motion video. This one's also a tie."

Right. If anyone out there can explain that one to me, please send me a note.
[ Cringely isn't joking, either -- Microsoft's IE8 "get the facts" campaign does get it wrong. | For the real facts, check out IE8 vs. Firefox 3.5: The browser wars continue. ]

But that's not all. They're dangling $10K cash prizes to Aussies willing to go spelunking down undah using only their browser. They've offered to donate eight (count 'em, eight) meals to a food bank for every download of IE8. And they've launched a series of "funny" video ads starring Superman-turned-pitchman Dean Cain.
This is where things get dicey.

As first noted by The Technologizer's Harry McCracken (and quickly followed up by virtually everybody else with a blog), there's one ad in particular that's gotten a fair amount of attention. It involves an ordinary looking housewife who borrows her husband's laptop, looks at his browser history, and suddenly starts spewing projectile vomit all over the kitchen in full living technicolor, like Ozzy Osbourne after three days of nothing but beer and bat heads.

The pitch? If only he'd been using IE8's InPrivate browsing feature, dear old wifey would never know the dark evil puke-inducing Web sites he'd been visiting.
(What exactly was hubby looking at that so fully engaged the gossamer-thin gag reflex of his loving wife? I have one guess, and it's four words long: Two girls, one cup. Google that, if you dare. But don't blame me if you toss your cookies after.)

After a lot virtual retching across the blogosphere, Microsoft pulled the ad. (If you must watch it, a copy is still available on YouTube as I write this.) No matter; it achieved its purpose. People are talking about it. For Microsoft, that qualifies as victory.

The weird part is that this ad, along with the others, is/was part of the Browser for the Better food bank campaign. So is Microsoft bringing food to America's hungry, or just food poisoning?

From these various moves one could easily draw the conclusion that IE8 is for the gullible, the greedy, the charitably inclined, and the easily gagged. Another obvious conclusion: Microsoft must be pretty damned worried about losing more ground to Firefox, Chrome, and any other browser that wanders down the road -- worried enough to gross out half the Web with an ad even the most adolescent of dot coms would not have dared run.

The question is why? If the destination is what matters, why does Microsoft care so deeply what browser people use to get there? Maybe this: Unless Bing is the browser's default search engine, no one will go there after the novelty wears off. That's probably enough to make anyone at Microsoft lose their lunch.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/167862/microsoft_keeps_beating_a_dead_browser.html

This is related to the Vomit Add M$ had too pull. See the thread about it HERE.

~Lordbob
 
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f**k IE8. and that's all, i have, to say, about, that.
(lol @ forest gump ref)

dont buy into MS's scheme, Aussies! those starving countries need to learn how to farm!
so, in the scope, IE8 is making people stupider-er! farm dammit! farm!

ok, im going to sleep. (FF, FTW)
 

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FF totally sucks right now. I think Chrome/Srware Iron and Opera and IE8 are the major players now. FF is very disappointing with being sluggish, and I cant stand the UI and also it seems to be heavy on a system.

As a developer I also use IE8 and appreciate the developer tools that were included with it without me having to go and install some separate addons.
 

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FF totally sucks right now. I think Chrome/Srware Iron and Opera and IE8 are the major players now. FF is very disappointing with being sluggish, and I cant stand the UI and also it seems to be heavy on a system.

As a developer I also use IE8 and appreciate the developer tools that were included with it without me having to go and install some separate addons.
I find FF very fast, and versatile. I personally like the GUI, but thats an opinion. I don't think Opera (at least in the US) is a major player at all, but I don't have anything to back that up. Chrome will certainly get up there, though I think that their GUI lacks any.... flavour? I can't think of the word. It's just very plain. Not that thats bad, its just boring.

~Lordbob
 

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to me chrome is the fastest to me. FF 3.0 and 3.5 both are slow in windows 7 and IE8 is all time slow in all windows version. But chrome is faster than those two.
 

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FF totally sucks right now. I think Chrome/Srware Iron and Opera and IE8 are the major players now. FF is very disappointing with being sluggish, and I cant stand the UI and also it seems to be heavy on a system.

As a developer I also use IE8 and appreciate the developer tools that were included with it without me having to go and install some separate addons.

if not satisfied with firefox try minefield!!!:D
 

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FF totally sucks right now. I think Chrome/Srware Iron and Opera and IE8 are the major players now. FF is very disappointing with being sluggish, and I cant stand the UI and also it seems to be heavy on a system.

As a developer I also use IE8 and appreciate the developer tools that were included with it without me having to go and install some separate addons.
I h8 to bash FF (and this is like taking a dagger to me) but it indeed uses more RAM than IE8 and also started slower than it....then it would blow IE8 away....until 3.5 came out....now my only issue is that 3.5 tends to freeze randomly with this forum....I will check on that tomorrow and check on that Minefield thing!
 

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IE 8, Chrome, and Opera 9.64 seem to do the job here ok. I prefer the setttings in Opera while Chrome simply swapped sides of the screen for the bookmarks section there just to be different from IE. I haven't looked at the fruit vendor lately to see what So Far off eeeeeeee does! :roflmao:
 

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I use Safari 4 on OSX & Windows, nothing gets me past the Cover Flow History or the Top Sites (previews of the sites), and the tabs in Safari 4 show in Win7 :D

Ohh, and you can beat a dead browser, it's still not going anywhere!
 

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I'd like to see it try and out perform Safari 4 o_O

Hehe
 

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Same here, Opera. The mouse movements for control, the extensive config: page for total personalisation, small footprint/easy on the cpu.
Using version 10 now and it is excellent.

And this page Opera Browser Wiki :: Custom Buttons to Drag'n'Drop into your Opera comes in handy as well

I use IE only for the really messed pages which won't load properly in any other browser. Such as my bank :mad: works with IE6 upwards only.
 

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IE8 is not Dead

I have to diagree with comments like IE8 being a dead browser.
Every site I've visited works in IE8 whereas with FF some sites just crash.

IE8 is actually quite fast on my Win 7 64-bit.
Double the speed of FF and IE7.

Tried Chrome but it is not even stable yet! Not the revelation I was led to expect.

At work they will use IE8. As long as it remains stable I will just use that for now. Just waiting for IE7Pro to be updated to fully complement IE8.

Might try Chrome again in a few months. It shows promise but still needs work.
 

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IE8 certainly isnt "dead". Its probably the best version theyve had to date. Its fast and stable.

In my view chrome is still an unfinished product, once it gets addons then it might improve.
 

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Every site I've visited works in IE8 whereas with FF some sites just crash.

Tried Chrome but it is not even stable yet!

At work they will use IE8. As long as it remains stable I will just use that for now.

Might try Chrome again in a few months. It shows promise but still needs work.

Zirro; which are these sites which "Just crash" in Firefox? I've been using the fox for years and i surf a lot and widely and I have never once found a site which didn't render, or which crashed the browser (I presume that's what you mean by "some sites just crash".

I have found sites which render differently in the two browsers - but which one is correct? Bad code will render badly.

And there are sites which will not allow the planned interaction with the sites - mainly special javascript logins - like some banks, and I can't login to lifehacker (or that family of sites) using FF.

Not a deal killer - usually I just use a FF add-on (ie tab) and all is well.

On the other hand I find IE clunky, slow and limited. Sites don't appear to render "correctly". I accept some of this is because I'm so used to Firefox. (Although for those of us who like flexibility - Firefox is surely the winner).

And my experience with IE is that it DOES crash. At least more often than FF. The implementation of some of its new tools is poor, which is a pity because the tools are based on good ideas.

I do chaff at the suggestion that IE is stable and FF is not. They are both pretty stable! Certainly however much I liked it I would drop FF in a moment if it were not stable - I use it 12 or more hours a day for every imaginable purpose (including my work) - It has to be very stable.

I accept the criticism of memory use. (Actually the same criticism can be applied to IE). But I also claim that there's way too much emphasis on this.

Memory is there to be used, not saved! What are we saving it for? Especially in 7 where memory use is so well managed by the system.

As you can see from my specs I run an oldish single core system with not much memory. Yet I routinely run FF with 10 or more tabs open, PhotoshopCS4 with multiple images open and multiple layers active, an IM (Digsby), file browser windows, Snagit, Widgets AND Gadgets, a media player, uTorrent, Evernote and Word - all run just fine and sweet - and yes, they "use up" much of my memory. So what?! That's exactly what it's for!
 

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I see no perceivable difference in page load times between FF3.5 and IE8 (maybe there is if you have a slower processor or internet connection). I keep on coming back to IE8 because it has a streamlined UI (when you remove unnecessary toolbars), favorites are easily accessed on your hard drive, accelerators actually help with tasks, its quite customizable without the need for add-ons, and it integrates well with Windows (group policy, windows updates, file association)

Sure it doesn't support some standards like CSS3, HTML5, and SVG but most people won't go to sites that use that. Also embedded video in HTML5 actually takes up more CPU time than Flash or Silverlight right now.
 

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"IE8 crashes a lot...." "IE is a dead browser..."

Which IE8 are you folks using? Must not be the same one I use. :sarc:

I have tried Opera and FF on and off over the years and keep coming back to IE in part because people I support all use IE. However, IE8 seems to have overcome the shortcomings of IE6-7.

I notice that many of the posters state "I switch to IEx when I have to access the so-and-so site, but I like FF and/or Chrome and/or Opera..." Has it occurred to anyone that complaints of frequent crashes/problems in IEx seem to be most frequent among people with 2-4 or more browsers installed?

Is the frequent crash due to IE8 problems or the add-on browser(s), or possibly the combination?

It matters not really as the "hate anything MS" crowd will always exist and will always find rallying points in IE8 or MS Office. I just wonder why they are not posting in a Linux forum but instead are ranting in a .... yeah you guessed it a ...

WINDOWS 7 FORUM.

:roflmao:​
 

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f**k IE8. and that's all, i have, to say, about, that.
(lol @ forest gump ref)

don't buy into MS's scheme, Aussies! those starving countries need to learn how to farm!
so, in the scope, IE8 is making people stupider-er! farm dammit! farm!

ok, im going to sleep. (FF, FTW)

Learn to farm , Are you for real ?

The link in the OP states that the food bank donations are for American ppl in need of food. :D Learn to share would be a better quote IMHO.

Internet Explorer 8 - Browser for the Better


I found the "Sick" advertisement amusing , not in a fan boy way either ... Just that Microsoft is hinting that the man should hide his internet activities from his wife. Obviously a happy and fulfilling marriage depicted in the advert....me thinks not.

I have tried FF,Opera,Chrome,Safari and various other browsers in the past, but IE8 suits me just fine for the time being.

As for browsers not rendering a web page correctly, Surely this is a developers problem and not the browser manufacturer at fault ?
 
"IE8 crashes a lot...." "IE is a dead browser..."

Which IE8 are you folks using? Must not be the same one I use. :sarc:

Has it occurred to anyone that complaints of frequent crashes/problems in IEx seem to be most frequent among people with 2-4 or more browsers installed?

Is the frequent crash due to IE8 problems or the add-on browser(s), or possibly the combination?

It matters not really as the "hate anything MS" crowd will always exist and will always find rallying points in IE8 or MS Office. I just wonder why they are not posting in a Linux forum but instead are ranting in a .... yeah you guessed it a ...

WINDOWS 7 FORUM.

:roflmao:​

Few points here.
There is a huge variation in peoples experience on different systems with the same software. So just because you never experience an I.E. crash doesn't mean I have that experience.
Discussing that doesn't make me unreasonable or an I.E. hater. (I know some of us, even here, go a bit over the top - I for one just factor that in and try to stay cool).

If IE is crashing (or vice versa) because I have FF or Chrome also installed then we really DO have a problem. Or rather Windows does. I don't accept that for a moment, I've never seen it suggested anywhere and I can't think of any reason why it might be so.
Also they are not "add-on browsers" as if I.E. is the one and only. They are all alternative to one another.

I don't see any "hate anything MS" crowd here. Even the strongest opinion here comes from members who are generally active in a positive way in this Win 7 Community who actively use Microsoft products.
Crtitcism even dislike does not equal hate , certainly not "hate anything MS".
 

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