Some important questions for the more experienced members...

[Hopalong X]

For the newer people that have no suggestions and are guessing when posting it might be better to make a post here.> http://www.sevenforums.com/vip/163495-more-help-requested-3-a-70.html#post1671283

If your first post in a thread is going to be reinstall Windows it is probably best not to post anything but try to get additional help at the above link.

 

[rubyrubyroo]

touché

 

[pincushion]

I have also noticed the kind of behaviour you have described, pincushion. In one case, although I had made sure to include all my system specs and describe my issue in a clear and precise manner, a highly repped member chewed off my head; because I was a total newbie, and because he had so many pips, I didn't dare notify the mods about it (a mistake on my part, by the way) and left the forum for a few weeks as a result; and when I came back, I discovered that he had been banned; so good work there from the mods/admins.
Sometimes I find that things do get a bit raunchy in the Chillout Room, but then it's the Chillout Room


In addition, I think it's important to take a forum break for a few days every now and then, otherwise one can get too immersed in the forum activities and end up brooding oneself into a sort of depression or even burnout.

If I lived in Switzerland I don't think my computer would get used much.

 

[flemur13013]

1. Has anyone else noticed this behavior and felt as I do?
2. What is the best way to tell a higher rep person in a respectful manner that he/she has said something that could be considered rude?

1 - Not really, but maybe just because the political forums & blogs are so nasty.
2 - I'd just ignore it.

 

[Tews]

You can always use the "report" function to bring an offending post to the Moderators attention...

 

[mjf]

You can always use the "report" function to bring an offending post to the Moderators attention...

and hope the moderators take the time to read the full context of the post and know the difference between true rudeness and preciousness. Members who enjoy providing free and valuable advice can be offended as well by unjustified reprimands.

 

[z3r010]

You can always use the "report" function to bring an offending post to the Moderators attention...

and hope the moderators take the time to read the full context of the post and know the difference between true rudeness and preciousness. Members who enjoy providing free and valuable advice can be offended as well by unjustified reprimands.

:sarc:

 

[westom]

I think it is important to be respectful to others at all times, whether it is in a face to face conversation or on an online forum.

You are assuming your posts are somehow you. They are not. Once you post it, the idea lives on its own merits. If a post is nonsense, that says nothing about you. A post lives or dies on its own merits.

Insulting is to challenge a post without the always required reasons why. Those underlying reasons why must be provided. The criticism is not about you. To say you are dumb is insulting because that is irrelevant to a question or topic. To say an idea is stupid and to also say why is the greatest respect, for you, that one can provide. They bothered to also provide what is most relevant and what you most need. The reasons behind a challenge. Technical discussions also mean numeric answers; not just subjective claims.

Never assume a topic/problem is connected to you. Should you post something that makes no sense, then your best friends will tear it apart. Show all why it makes no sense. That is why the reply exists. Not just for your benefit. So that all can learn.

Posts are, in essence, trial balloons to learn what is and is not. Replies need not worry about how another might interpret it. Assumptions or feelings have no place in any technical discussion. Replies should go after the topic/problem with zest. But if challenged without the always required reasons why, then that challenge is insulting to everyone. Best replies always include the underlying facts that say why.

For example, many are so misinformed as to believe power cycling a light bulb causes bulb failure. That does not say they are dumb. Nothing in that sentence insults anyone. The sentence defines a popular error. The myth is not based in science. A best reply will also say why power cycling is not harmful to an incandescent bulb. Unfortunately, some routinely take insult because they posted a bogus 'light bulb' claim. Nonsense. The post lives on its own merits. And gets challenged because of how and why that myth exists. A reply that said why that myth is bogus (with numbers) is the best of all replies. The author is mistaken (too emotional) if that ‘ripped apart’ post is somehow commentary about him.

 

[seavixen32]

In a heated discussion passions can run high resulting sometimes in a throwaway comment that can be interepreted as insulting or insensitive.

No one is immune from a hurtful comment or a home truth, but I think it's imperative to remember that generally speaking we are arguing about the subject matter and not with the individual.

I've had several instances whereby a comment of mine has been flagged as plain wrong. I don't take offence at the correction, but take time to remember it and thank the poster who corrected it.

In essence, I wasn't being corrected, but the information I posted was.

 

[pebbly]

In a heated discussion passions can run high resulting sometimes in a throwaway comment that can be interepreted as insulting or insensitive.

No one is immune from a hurtful comment or a home truth, but I think it's imperative to remember that generally speaking we are arguing about the subject matter and not with the individual.

I've had several instances whereby a comment of mine has been flagged as plain wrong. I don't take offence at the correction, but take time to remember it and thank the poster who corrected it.

In essence, I wasn't being corrected, but the information I posted was.

+1 many times I have posted the wrong information, never has any member belittled me ,just gently pointed me to the right information.this forum is the best on the Internet for information regarding all versions of Windows as such you can expect to come across rude posters but the members here will PM you ,ask if you are OK ,need help or whatever they really look after you , The Mods and Admins do an excellent job of weeding out the undesirable element that frequent other forums on the 'net I really love this community here

 

[ignatzatsonic]

when trying to help others, would it not be a good idea to treat all users with respect and courtesy in case you are dealing with one such individual?

Surely, that must be only a rhetorical question?

I think it is important to be respectful to others at all times, whether it is in a face to face conversation or on an online forum.

It would be nice, preferable, and may even be important. But it isn't going to happen nearly as often as any of us might like---on this forum or out in the street. Civilization, if such a thing exists, is a thin veneer.

But you knew that.

I understand you are just venting and I support the venting. But I would not expect it to do more than maybe relieve a little of your own frustration. Vent away as you see fit.

 

[Frank1]

I can honestly say that I have never noticed any rudeness from anyone. I'm not saying that there never has been any, just that in any of the posts or answers I have seen, I haven't noticed it.

 

[rubyrubyroo]

Hello frank,

It's true, and everyone's generally extremely nice......then you pop your head in the wrong door one day. Contrast can be razor sharp.

Mike-ster

 

[seavixen32]

I was once told that everyone has the capacity to please - some when they enter a room and others when they leave.

And one thing's certain, if you're with a group of four or five people and you leave first, you'll be the butt of the conversation the second you turn your back.

Human nature, there's no legislating for it, that's for sure.

 

[writhziden]

In a heated discussion passions can run high resulting sometimes in a throwaway comment that can be interepreted as insulting or insensitive.

No one is immune from a hurtful comment or a home truth, but I think it's imperative to remember that generally speaking we are arguing about the subject matter and not with the individual.

I've had several instances whereby a comment of mine has been flagged as plain wrong. I don't take offence at the correction, but take time to remember it and thank the poster who corrected it.

In essence, I wasn't being corrected, but the information I posted was.

+1 many times I have posted the wrong information, never has any member belittled me ,just gently pointed me to the right information.this forum is the best on the Internet for information regarding all versions of Windows as such you can expect to come across rude posters but the members here will PM you ,ask if you are OK ,need help or whatever they really look after you , The Mods and Admins do an excellent job of weeding out the undesirable element that frequent other forums on the 'net I really love this community here

I am glad that generally, more experienced members point out when we are incorrect and then go on to explain why. What bothered me the other day with my bad experience was that I was told that I was wrong in a rather rude way, and then the member went on to tell me what I said didn't happen. An explanation was not given until I asked for one. I gave the user a rep boost for the explanation as it furthered my knowledge, but I was a bit thrown by the lack of manners in the original post. I also kinda felt like I was being treated like a child who didn't have the ability to comprehend why it was wrong but just needed to know it was wrong.

This seems to fall in the category mentioned in the post by westom:

if challenged without the always required reasons why, then that challenge is insulting to everyone.

 

[Golden]

Hi,

If you cannot clear it with the person directly, I think the best advice was that given by Airbot - simply report an offending post to the admin/moderator staff. The first thing I learnt on this forum, is that there is no excuse for blatant rudeness to anyone, bling or no bling, and the admin staff here go out of their way to uphold that. There are many well-repped senior members who will be able testify to this.

Regards,
Golden

 

[Frank1]

When it comes to communication the fact remains: You can please some of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, But you can't please all the people all the time.

 

[whs]

I personally think that this is one of the friendliest forums on the web. I have noticed very, very few postings which could be classified as questionable.

In previous years I have been on many other forums and let me tell you - some are really rough and nobody does anything about it. Compared to those, we live in a really happy environment.

But regarding your second question - if you feel that somehing should be mentioned to a poster, send him/her a PM and explain how you feel. And it has nothing to do with rep status - just as a human.

 

[rubyrubyroo]

When it comes to communication the fact remains: You can please some of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, But you can't please all the people all the time.

true, but when you can't "please" someone due to a complete lack of self restraint over your manner of speaking to someone that is pleasant to you. Then YOU are the problem



(not YOU as in you Frank!)

Mike

 

[rubyrubyroo]

WHS - tru dat

SP is far superior to any forum I have located, I've never had anyone get rude or whatnot with me personally, just witnessed it a few times.

Mikeee