On consumer PCs, crapware is still a performance-sapping nuisance

JMH

Banned
Local time
4:54 PM
Messages
6,448
On consumer PCs, crapware is still a performance-sapping nuisance

Summary: Are PC makers finally getting the message that their customers don’t want crapware? A close look at three consumer PCs delivers a mixed answer.

The weakest link in the PC ecosystem is, without a doubt, the one right before the hardware reaches your desk.

That’s the conclusion I’ve drawn over the past two months as I’ve compared three pairs of modern PCs. What made this experiment especially interesting was comparing the software installations provided by the PC manufacturers with a clean alternative called Microsoft Signature, which is available only through the Microsoft Store.
On consumer PCs, crapware is still a performance-sapping nuisance | ZDNet
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
LAPTOP. HP Pavilion dv7-4010TX .
OS
Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit. SP1.
CPU
Intel i7 -720QM.[1.6GHz Turbo Boost 2.8GHz. 6MB Cache.]
Memory
8 DDR 3 RAM. 1066MHZ
Graphics Card(s)
ATI 1024 MB. DDR3. Radeon HD5650
Monitor(s) Displays
17.3" High Definition Brightview LCD. LED Backlit.
Screen Resolution
1600 x 900.
Hard Drives
640GB
Case
Laptop / notebook.
Mouse
Logitech Anywhere mouse. MX.
Internet Speed
ADSL [ but too slow ]

My Computer My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
me / #1
OS
windows 7 x64 Home Premium
CPU
intel q6600
Motherboard
gigbyte ga ep45 ud3l
Memory
g.skill 8gb ddr2 1066 (pc2 8500)
Graphics Card(s)
evga geforce 9800 gtx 512 mb
Screen Resolution
1680 x 1050
Hard Drives
wd caviar black 500 gb
wd caviar black 1tb
wd elements 1tb external hd x2
PSU
raidmax 500w
Case
smilodon (yes, t'was the pretty blue lites that got me!)

My Computer My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom-built
OS
Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit
CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz
Motherboard
Asus PL5D2
Memory
4GB DDR2-667 (4x1GB in dual-channel config)
Graphics Card(s)
nVidia GeForce 9800 GT
Sound Card
Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer P236H
Screen Resolution
1920x1200 (DVI)
Hard Drives
OCZ SSD Vertex Plus 60GB SATA (Firmware 3.55), 64MB cache
Hitachi HD321KJ SATA, 320GB, 7200rpm, 16MB cache
PSU
Antec TruePower 2.0
Case
Cooler Master Centurion
Cooling
Too many fans
Keyboard
Standard
Mouse
Microsoft wireless optical mouse
Internet Speed
AT&T U-verse (18mbit/sec)
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials
Browser
Firefox
Other Info
Other devices:
Compaq CQ-60 laptop
Google Nexus 7 (2012) tablet
Nvidia SHIELD tablet (US/LTE)
Hardkernel ODROID-XU single-board computer (Samsung Exynos 5420)
Hi all
Even though you don't unfortunately get the OS disk any more I've long since campaigned for the bog standard OS (OEM version you've paid for with the PC) to be at least supplied either on the HDD or in it's own partition.

You've paid for the windows OS --although an OEM one --and since the machines are sysprepped we won't ever get back to the days where the OS (OEM version) was included with the machine. However you should still get the basic OS --You've PAID for it !!!!.

If you actually go to a store however you can usually get a RETAIL copy of the OS thrown in if you do a little bit of haggling --at worst they can only say no so you haven't lost anything at all by asking. These days in the current economic climate they will gladly throw in a copy of W7 Home Premium with a PC rather than see you leave the store with nothing -- they are STILL making money on the deal !!.

(You can then do an anytime upgrade if you want W7 professional / Ultimate later).

Then when you get home --image the PC with the standard utility that you will be asked for --so if you get a problem you can restore the factory state -- then WIPE the disk clean and re-install from the RETAIL OS that you got.

You might have to load a few drivers after boot but you should be up and running with a nice squeaky clean system.

IMO this approach is far far better than messing around with things like "De crapifier" and if you need to re-install then you've got the W7 install disk (or image).

Cheers
jimbo
 
Last edited:

My Computer My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom built, several laptops HP/ASUS
OS
Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
CPU
Intel i7 Intel i5
Memory
8GB, 16GB
Graphics Card(s)
On Motherboard
Sound Card
Realtek HD audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Apple Cinema display, Samsung LCD
Screen Resolution
1920 X 1080
Hard Drives
4 X 1TB SATA
Mouse
Toshiba wireless laser
Internet Speed
> 20MB up
I've honestly not found that uninstalling the crapware is really all that difficult. We performance enthusiasts would rather have a clean install, no doubt about it. But most others would rather have the lowest cost period...and if that means having a few extras installed, or a little bit of effort removing what isn't needed...then so be it.

From a support standpoint, I think it would be easier for the Dell's and HP's of the world to support people who are using a common install. It's far easier for them to support, which technically based on the OEM license they have to support rather than MS. Thus, I can really see them wanting consumers on their load and if trouble ensues that the system restore is completed to put it back just the way it was.

For those who don't know tools like PC Decrapifier exist, do you think they are the type who want to take a standard issue OEM or Retail copy of Windows and actually load their own OS?
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Self-Built in July 2009
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS
Memory
8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570
Sound Card
Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio
Monitor(s) Displays
23" Acer x233H
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS
PSU
Corsair 620HX modular
Case
Antec P182
Cooling
stock
Keyboard
ABS M1 Mechanical
Mouse
Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
Internet Speed
15/2 cable modem
Other Info
Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.
For those who don't know tools like PC Decrapifier exist, do you think they are the type who want to take a standard issue OEM or Retail copy of Windows and actually load their own OS?

No, of course not. That's the whole point here. Users who don't have much knowledge of how everything works, and consequently, what to do when trouble arises, shouldn't have to accept a crapware-laden OS to begin with (and be led to believe that's the only way they get the OS at all).
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom-built
OS
Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit
CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz
Motherboard
Asus PL5D2
Memory
4GB DDR2-667 (4x1GB in dual-channel config)
Graphics Card(s)
nVidia GeForce 9800 GT
Sound Card
Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer P236H
Screen Resolution
1920x1200 (DVI)
Hard Drives
OCZ SSD Vertex Plus 60GB SATA (Firmware 3.55), 64MB cache
Hitachi HD321KJ SATA, 320GB, 7200rpm, 16MB cache
PSU
Antec TruePower 2.0
Case
Cooler Master Centurion
Cooling
Too many fans
Keyboard
Standard
Mouse
Microsoft wireless optical mouse
Internet Speed
AT&T U-verse (18mbit/sec)
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials
Browser
Firefox
Other Info
Other devices:
Compaq CQ-60 laptop
Google Nexus 7 (2012) tablet
Nvidia SHIELD tablet (US/LTE)
Hardkernel ODROID-XU single-board computer (Samsung Exynos 5420)
Back
Top