help with good 32gb of ram

[Thornton]

in in of itself, 32gb of ram is good... but i want to make sure that going for the lower price isnt gunna come back to bite me in the A**.

here is what i was looking at
Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ares Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-1333C9Q-32GAO

has small heat sinks which is a blessing and a curse, i wanted smaller because i am wanting a noctua dh14. simultaneously, 32gb is bound to cause some heat...
it only has one rating which is worrying me, but the 1 rating is 5stars also...

i need some persuasion here... is this really a good choice, and will it even fit under a dh14?

 

[bassfisher6522]

G-Skill is a very good brand...I use them. Just make sure that the RAM your getting is on your mobo QVL. The DDR3 is way cheaper than the DDR2....for what ever reason. Other than that you should be good to go.

Just look around for the feed back and reviews of the RAM...generally a good indicator if good or bad.

 

[Thornton]

G-Skill is a very good brand...I use them. Just make sure that the RAM your getting is on your mobo QVL. The DDR3 is way cheaper than the DDR2....for what ever reason. Other than that you should be good to go.

Just look around for the feed back and reviews of the RAM...generally a good indicator if good or bad.

kk, i saw on the noctua website it will fit with ripjaws so i may go with that...

Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9Q-32GXM



from what im aware of, not enough mobos support ddr2 anymore, so it is now harder for companies to sell, so to cover cost of production, they increase the going rate.

 

[pparks1]

I almost exclusively use G.Skill and have been very happy with it.

Do you actually have a need for 32GB of RAM, or are you just going for the philosophy that more is better or cannot hurt?

 

[whs]

Yeah, that would be my question too. What are you going to do with 32GBs of RAM. I have 8GB running Win7 and 2 virtual partitions with Win8 and Ubuntu and I have never seen all the 8GBs used. There is even plenty of space for caching.

 

[Thornton]

I almost exclusively use G.Skill and have been very happy with it.

Do you actually have a need for 32GB of RAM, or are you just going for the philosophy that more is better or cannot hurt?

no im not going with that philosophy. i am a 3d developer as i have mentioned in other threads before. when you are uploading, downloading, manipulating, and exporting uncompressed files AND rendering... MORE IS IN FACT BETTER. although only about 10gb is used during the rendering process, my ability to continue using the application during rendering is slowed down and usually almost maxes out my ram.

when i play bf3, my ram runs at 93%

when i use inventor, 75%

when i use maya or 3ds, about 80%

when i use the udk and cryengine, about 46%

when i am manipulating 3d material in life time RENDERED it can be as high as 95%


and on top of that if i have to do research on my work it maxes out...

all this on 10gb of ram


i dont like feeling like i am trapped with with this little ram, when i sometimes NEED more, and dont have it.

i was considdering 16gb, but these applications will utilize as much as they feel they possibly can. when i use an application, their process slowes down, and sometimes crashes during the process of shrinking ram ussage by killing their own processes. the more ram i have, the less of this will happen.

 

[Thornton]

Yeah, that would be my question too. What are you going to do with 32GBs of RAM. I have 8GB running Win7 and 2 virtual partitions with Win8 and Ubuntu and I have never seen all the 8GBs used. There is even plenty of space for caching.

yes, but running virtual machines,

maya

luxrender

mental ray

and using firefox

will take a larger toll on your system than one would think

 

[essenbe]

G Skill is very good ram, I use it in all my machines. But, I have to agree with the 32GB is almost overkill. But, the NH-D14 as clearance from 44mm of ram height. G Skill Ripjaws is 40mm tall and will fit with a little to spare. I have a D14 and it fits my Ripjaws X.

 

[pparks1]

when i play bf3, my ram runs at 93%

I'm unsure where my RAM usage is at when I play BF3, but with 8GB or 4GB, I can play BF3 just fine. It's probably just loading more textures since you have more RAM available, but I'm unsure if it would translate to more performance or not.

i dont like feeling like i am trapped with with this little ram, when i sometimes NEED more, and dont have it.

Sounds like you have thought it out. I just find some people who see very little "free" RAM and assume they need more. Or they figure they can really get a performance boost by adding a ton of low cost RAM only to find out that there performance is pretty much the same after they spend the money.

 

[Thornton]

when i play bf3, my ram runs at 93%

I'm unsure where my RAM usage is at when I play BF3, but with 8GB or 4GB, I can play BF3 just fine. It's probably just loading more textures since you have more RAM available, but I'm unsure if it would translate to more performance or not.

i dont like feeling like i am trapped with with this little ram, when i sometimes NEED more, and dont have it.

Sounds like you have thought it out. I just find some people who see very little "free" RAM and assume they need more. Or they figure they can really get a performance boost by adding a ton of low cost RAM only to find out that there performance is pretty much the same after they spend the money.

im not exactly looking for more performance, just not to take a performance hit.

agreed on that bottom part for sure lol.

i think part of my excessive need for ram is, i IDLE at 30%, when in use it runs up to 35% to 40%, realize, that means when i use my computer... GENTLY!!! lol, it is running up to 4gb. idk what my computers problem is, it will do this almost streight out of a clean install of windows. im thinking it is hardware realted.

also running server end team speak, ventrilo, and game servers, does NOT help my cause, this somtimes puts me above 5.8gb

 

[DeaconFrost]

You see that a lot now with Windows 7, because it will try to use the memory you give it...unlike past OSes. In this case, the OP sees that a good portion of their memory is used, so they assume more is needed...and that is rarely the case. It will likely be money spent for no noticeable gain.

32 GB is overkill on any desktop system. I have a Dell PowerEdge server with 24 GB of memory running 5 virtual servers for a company of 30 people, and I'm not using all of the resources available.

 

[DeaconFrost]

idk what my computers problem is,

I can answer that. The only problem is that you are trying to hold your computer to the rules of Windows XP...when they don't apply anymore. Once you understand how Windows 7 uses memory, you'll see that you most likely have no issue at all and don't need more memory.

 

[pparks1]

i think part of my excessive need for ram is, i IDLE at 30%, when in use it runs up to 35% to 40%, realize, that means when i use my computer... GENTLY!!! lol, it is running up to 4gb.

If you are using 30+% of 10GB of RAM at startup, you either are calculating yourself and looking at Free rather than Available RAM, or you have a lot of stuff running at Startup. (check msconfig and reduce startup items to what you actually need).

In looking at Task Manager, under the Physical Memory section, you will see Total, Cached, Available and Free. On my desktop, which I am looking at presently, I have 8191MB total. 3330MB is Cached, 3592MB is Available and 285MB is free. Underneath the Resource Monitor button, it says my Physical Memory is at 56%. So, if you take my total memory (8191) minus my available memory (3590), you get 4601MB consumed. And 4601 divided by 8191 is 56%.

My machine isn't idling right now, it's got 2 virtual machines running under VMWare workstation. 1 VM is Windows Home Server 2011 and it's set to use 2GB of RAM and 1 have 1 client VM for that server running XP Pro and it's got 512MB of RAM. When I go in and shut down both of those VM's, my Physical Memory usage drops to 22%. And now my Available RAM reads 6366MB.

 

[Thornton]

i think part of my excessive need for ram is, i IDLE at 30%, when in use it runs up to 35% to 40%, realize, that means when i use my computer... GENTLY!!! lol, it is running up to 4gb.

If you are using 30+% of 10GB of RAM at startup, you either are calculating yourself and looking at Free rather than Available RAM, or you have a lot of stuff running at Startup. (check msconfig and reduce startup items to what you actually need).

In looking at Task Manager, under the Physical Memory section, you will see Total, Cached, Available and Free. On my desktop, which I am looking at presently, I have 8191MB total. 3330MB is Cached, 3592MB is Available and 285MB is free. Underneath the Resource Monitor button, it says my Physical Memory is at 56%. So, if you take my total memory (8191) minus my available memory (3590), you get 4601MB consumed. And 4601 divided by 8191 is 56%.

My machine isn't idling right now, it's got 2 virtual machines running under VMWare workstation. 1 VM is Windows Home Server 2011 and it's set to use 2GB of RAM and 1 have 1 client VM for that server running XP Pro and it's got 512MB of RAM. When I go in and shut down both of those VM's, my Physical Memory usage drops to 22%. And now my Available RAM reads 6366MB.

i have used sysinternals to kill all apps except those manditory, i am looking at ram being used on an LCD pannel which i can confirm with task manager. i am idling with about 87 apps open. and when imm at full use i have about 110 apps open, many part of a tree that when i close the apps they close 4-5 processes

 

[pparks1]

When you say 87 apps are open, do you mean 87 processes are running?

 

[Thornton]

idk what my computers problem is,

I can answer that. The only problem is that you are trying to hold your computer to the rules of Windows XP...when they don't apply anymore. Once you understand how Windows 7 uses memory, you'll see that you most likely have no issue at all and don't need more memory.

thank you for filling me in. it is good to know. still 32gb is rather important when you are live editing clips of data WHILE its caching, youl find the more you have, the more it can cache , in which case as you edit, more will free up, if you do not have enough, you will be editing as much as you are caching, slowing down your machine.

programs like mentalray take a SUDDEN hard hit on your ram then halt.

programs like lux render use a lot for a long time, as much as a week at once.

programs like maya and inventor fall in the same catagory of working while you are caching. when you have 3.9 million faces it has to prebuffer on you screen, only so much can be done on your graphics card.

and if you have a problem and need yo look somthing up while you are doing all this... your SOL.

there are three parts to this.

i NEED about 20gb of ram for rendering

i WANT allot of space left over

i LIKE to go a little over kill to partially future proof my machine should my other components upgrade and demand more

if i can find a way to fit 24gb of ram over 4 dims i will considder that, especially if it is less expensive. still, over kill is good in the media/communications industry.

 

[Thornton]

When you say 87 apps are open, do you mean 87 processes are running?

yes, sry for the lack of communication there, yes, only about 4-7 apps are open, about 87 processes, abot 88-94 on start up, then some things die off

 

[pparks1]

I just rebooted my work desktop and it runs 64 processes at bootup. I don't have anything that launches automatically except my AV. I bring up Office and everything else as needed. I also disable all of the automatic updaters. I often untick about 75% of what is listed under Startup from msconfig.

 

[Thornton]

I just rebooted my work desktop and it runs 64 processes at bootup. I don't have anything that launches automatically except my AV. I bring up Office and everything else as needed. I also disable all of the automatic updaters. I often untick about 75% of what is listed under Startup from msconfig.

allot of my processes are drivers, or somewhat manditory, or are applications i just dont want to mess with and use a different name for their dll in sysinternals.

(Y)-starts automatically (N)-doesn't
origin (N)
windows explorer (Y)
wmplayer (Y)
Explorrer (Y)
Logitech Gaming drivers (Y)
FireFox Plugins (N)
DWM (Y)
AOD (N)-BUT I WISH IT WOULD!!!
CCC (Y)-Manditory
csrss (Y)
SlideShow Gadget (Y)-dunno what it is, another one of microsofts creations
taskhost (Y)-im not using a tablet so i shouldnt need it
rocketdock (Y)-i use instead of task bar
Logitech lcd apps (x5) (Y)
mssces (Y)
firefox plugin (N)
Firefox plugin (N)
MSI Aftrburner (Y)
WinLogin (Y)-not representing itself as a windows applications... huh
Saitek mouse Drivers (Y)
Adobe Reader (Y)-Turned it off but still runs on startup
firefox plugin (N)
ATiClxx (Y)
taskhost (Y)
taskeng (Y)
MOM (Y)-manditory for display drivers
SaitekDrivers (Y)
RTSS (Y)
ModLEDKey (Y)-more keyboard drivers... i think

 

[jimbo45]

idk what my computers problem is,

I can answer that. The only problem is that you are trying to hold your computer to the rules of Windows XP...when they don't apply anymore. Once you understand how Windows 7 uses memory, you'll see that you most likely have no issue at all and don't need more memory.

thank you for filling me in. it is good to know. still 32gb is rather important when you are live editing clips of data WHILE its caching, youl find the more you have, the more it can cache , in which case as you edit, more will free up, if you do not have enough, you will be editing as much as you are caching, slowing down your machine.

programs like mentalray take a SUDDEN hard hit on your ram then halt.

programs like lux render use a lot for a long time, as much as a week at once.

programs like maya and inventor fall in the same catagory of working while you are caching. when you have 3.9 million faces it has to prebuffer on you screen, only so much can be done on your graphics card.

and if you have a problem and need yo look somthing up while you are doing all this... your SOL.

there are three parts to this.

i NEED about 20gb of ram for rendering

i WANT allot of space left over

i LIKE to go a little over kill to partially future proof my machine should my other components upgrade and demand more

if i can find a way to fit 24gb of ram over 4 dims i will considder that, especially if it is less expensive. still, over kill is good in the media/communications industry.

Hi there
I'd suggest for Rendering etc you'd probably be BETTER off with a decent GPU which offloads this stuff from the processor.

VM's tend to EAT RAM for breakfast but unless you are running a Huge server operation and want several dozen VM's up at once 16 GB RAM on a Home computer is probably more than enough with a decent GPU, a good processor such as an Intel I7 and an SSD.

If you feel you want 32 GB -- fine it's your choice but IMO you might get better value for money in looking at a GPU, a decent processor and an SSD.

Gaming BTW doesn't actually need loads of RAM -- fast Video processing and Disk I/O is more important.

Cheers
jimbo