CNET: "Will Windows 7 stymie Mac OS X's growth?"

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As of December, Apple's Mac OS X commanded 9.63 percent of the OS market, according to Net Applications, while Microsoft still led the way, accounting for more than 88 percent of the operating-system market.

But the real story behind those figures is Apple's meteoric rise in the market. Just one year prior, in December 2007, Apple controlled just 7.3 percent of the operating-system space--a record at the time.

There are numerous reasons why Mac OS X has become so popular over the past few years. Part of it can be attributed to Apple's success and its status in the industry as the most renowned and respected company to consumers. It can also be attributed to Mac OS X itself, which is easily one of the best operating systems ever made.

And most assuredly, part of the reason for Mac OS X's success is Windows Vista. Although it currently controls 21 percent of the market, it was a failure on many levels for Microsoft. Suffice it to say that compatibility issues, User Account Control annoyances, vendor and enterprise unrest, and poor PR contributed to the blunder that was Vista.

But now, as a new Microsoft operating system starts making its way to store shelves, it's incumbent upon us to forecast its expected impact. And after downloading the Windows 7 beta and immersing myself in its environment, I think I can say, both as a Mac user (I'm writing this on my iMac) and what some may call an Apple nut (I own just about every Apple product released over the past five years), Windows 7 will not only stymie Mac OS X's growth, it will push Apple's market share back down to pre-Vista levels.


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(IMHO, his fact checking needs a little work. But I posted the article as an example of the contrast between Vista and 7 news coverage...)
 

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But the real story behind those figures is Apple's meteoric rise in the market. Just one year prior, in December 2007, Apple controlled just 7.3 percent of the operating-system space--a record at the time.

I predict to less than 7%. In other words regain everything lost by Vista's bad rep and then some.

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What I find interesting is that there are a few reviews out there that say W7 still as slow as Vista and that is simply not true - before reading any reviews the first thing I noticed what the fact that windows 7 is fast, snappy and boots much faster.

Then, nearly all the reviews confirmed this to be true. So wondering if they are just anti windows.

That said, does anyone know if there is technology that won't allow you to burn certain ISO software if downloaded from the net? Normally I buy all my software if I like it but am wondering what this BIT locker is and how it works.

I think windows has a hit on their hands.

Hoping for this new job - fingers crossed, prayers appreciated guys and gals.

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Been through quite a lot and hoping the breakthrough is coming soon.
 

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The OS is only one part of the Apple matrix. You have the hardware design, which looks better than most machines from HP, Dell, Acer, etc. You have the upscale shopping experience, which the average person prefers over Newegg, CostCo, or Best Buy. I'd pick an Apple Genius over Geek Squad any day when it can to tech support.

So will Windows 7 stymie Apple's growth? No, Apple will hurt their own growth with overpriced computers in a downturn economy. I don't think Win 7 will have any affect Positive or Negative. To people who don't know Windows 7, Windows 7 will look too much like Vista to be considered "fresh". People who used Vista and Win 7 however, will know just how much work has gone into Vista to fix its early problems and how 7 takes it to the next level.
 

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I think also part of their recent success has stemmed from their complete domination of the portable music player (iPod) and the also-successful iPhone. People who own these devices might be thinking "Hey, this is actually pretty good" and then when it comes time to buy a new computer, Apple is now on their short list.

That said, Microsoft's dominance of the desktop market isn't going anywhere fast. Especially since Apple has always been anout the total experience from hardware to software. As Microsoft effectively has hundreds of manufacturer's installing their OS on prebuilt desktops, and Apple only has one (themselves), there's really no question there. Until Apple takes the PC model (which will never happen), they will never take over, and I don't think that's their intention.

All of that said, the release of Windows 7, I think, will only concrete Microsoft's position I made in point 2. In my opinion, coupled with an agressive marketing campaign (which has already started) to push this as "not Vista", this will stop Apple's current growth - but I'd hesitate to say it will decrease.
 

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Apple is a toy. I've used it both th mac and mac pro. Their hardware is'nt worth a quarter of what they charge, and they improperly put it together to top it off.

The OS is the worse. There are more bugs then a amazon rainforest. Its total garbage. If Vista helped it, it shows how stupid the below average user really is and as far as I'm concerned 9% of market aint crap. With the release of Win7 Apple will be lucky to maintain 4% market after 6 months past final release.
 

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The OS is only one part of the Apple matrix. You have the hardware design, which looks better than most machines from HP, Dell, Acer, etc. You have the upscale shopping experience, which the average person prefers over Newegg, CostCo, or Best Buy. I'd pick an Apple Genius over Geek Squad any day when it can to tech support.

So will Windows 7 stymie Apple's growth? No, Apple will hurt their own growth with overpriced computers in a downturn economy. I don't think Win 7 will have any affect Positive or Negative. To people who don't know Windows 7, Windows 7 will look too much like Vista to be considered "fresh". People who used Vista and Win 7 however, will know just how much work has gone into Vista to fix its early problems and how 7 takes it to the next level.

I think this is a pretty good analysis. Apple designs nice hardware. Their systems cost too much for my taste and the closed nature of their environment keep me away, but their designs, both of hardware and software are well thought out. Say what you will of OSX, one thing it has is an attention to detail. It's not perfect, but compared to Windows, it is pretty close to perfect (in terms of attention to detail only. I got to spend a week fighting Final Cut Pro while editing a video at a friend's house. I could not believe how often the program was able to completely bring OSX down, and this is in a closed system environment. If you consider the infinite configurations Windows has to support, it's pretty obvious to me that the under-pinnings of OSX are not quite as well designed as the NT kernel).

I know a few folks who moved to Apple in the past year or two, and they are pretty happy with the decision (kinda have to be with what they paid), but still miss the little app they had for windows, that has no mac equivalent.

Apple needs to stay, to at least stimulate competition. I think XP, to some extent, and definitely Vista, have Apple to thank for some of the design and aesthetics. No, I don't buy the "Redmond, Start your copiers" line of thinking, but both companies rightfully see what works and implement them, and we the consumers benefit. That's good.

As far as picking Geek Squad over Genius Bar, that's like picking a turd sandwich over a douche bag (South Park Reference:o)

PhreePhly
 

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Apple is a toy. I've used it both th mac and mac pro. Their hardware is'nt worth a quarter of what they charge, and they improperly put it together to top it off.

The OS is the worse. There are more bugs then a amazon rainforest. Its total garbage. If Vista helped it, it shows how stupid the below average user really is and as far as I'm concerned 9% of market aint crap. With the release of Win7 Apple will be lucky to maintain 4% market after 6 months past final release.

Out of curiosity define Toy. As a developer for numerous PC (Windows) audio programs and becoming a full time Mac user, partly due to Vista, while not being perfect, if you use a mac for a while then come back to windows, the differences are night and day as usability and workflow is amazing on a mac. Additionally, if you price out a corporate LINUX way however its simply not feasible to date, to make this happen, Apples OSX on the other hand, is a great tool and most creative still use Apple hardware/software, especially in Graphic Design, Pro Audio, Feature Film, Television.

On the consumer level, there is nothing that comes close to the iLife package that ships with all new Macs. In productivity, you can create on their PAGES program, brochures and flyers that look wonderful and is easy to use. As far as 3rd party software, and to address the other poster that said LACK of software, take a look at pulpmotion, or bannerzest, better yet, take a looks at findouthow at apples website, compare the MAIL TEMPLATES to OUTLOOKS templates, one looks very hip and modern whereas the other looks like WIN95 bitmap graphics.

Really people, whatever works best for you is what you should use. For me, I find that I need both as Apple wins hands down when it comes to audio, graphics and especially video. For Pro Audio there is nothing that comes close to the LOGIC package at $499, and in PRO VIDEO, for $1000 one can purchase Final Cut Pro and cut a feature film. In fact a FOLEY friend of mine cut the whole movie NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN on Final cut.

Derek Vanderhorst

Apple is not a toy and can be very deep as well as secure while at the same time can be very easy to use for the general consumer. Want to place an image on a document then resize it while adding audio? Simply drag the picture onto the page, drag the audio onto the page, both items will pop up with bars on them to resize. Word still has trouble doing simple tasks such as this, even 2007. You can't drag an image in and you can't just move it around - you have to use a special tool and it requires more effort than it should whereas in pages its drag, drop, resize, - word 07, you STILL can't drag a image around - it's crazy.

Word 07 has a massive footprint and is sluggish compared to iWorks pages. For $79 you get Pages (Word), Numbers (Excel) and Keynote (Powerpoint) and the beauty of Apple's applications is fluidness throughout most of their programs, for example, if you learn the INSPECTOR (e.g.) in one program, you know it through ALL their programs as the tool bars are common thoughout their entire suite be it iWeb, iPhoto, or Pages - and for most small businesses, you can use pages to create products that once required Adobe InDesign, again, at a fraction of the cost.

In a nutshell, one operating system is right brain, the other left brain - once you accept that this is how the two of them think (Jobs/Gates), people will stop flamming one software over the other.

While I might come across as PRO APPLE, that's not the case. For years I exposed how APPLES CPU's were underpowered and weak compared to AMD and INTEL and did so for years. I used macs only when needed. However, after MAC OS 9 and Apple made the switch to Intel, this changed everything.
But its still not about speed as much as it is work flow - you really have to use OS X for a while to appreciate how each program responds to how your brain works. I used the image onto a document as an example as this really gets my point across that how you think a program should work, Apple delivers.

Either way, competion is great for us and one area that I see MSFT really dominating will be in CLOUD computing - Apple still has problems with PUSH technology and with Windows 7, as I reported BEFORE this article, I stated that Windows 7 will be a huge hit as Developers, IT, Corprate, older computers, and net books will be quick to adopt windows 7 as it is NIGHT AND DAY also, when compared to Vista.

I think how Apple responds (Snow Leopard), pricing, Mac Clones, cloud technology, server workspace will dictate how well Apple does in the very near future. Either way, its an exciting time for end user consumers as we are going to see cutting edge technology at ridiculous prices.

One last thing, having the ability to boot into Windows on a Mac machine is a plus for many people that I know = the best of both worlds, especially since each OS will have things that they are better at then the other.

I say, GO APPLE, GO MICROSOFT

Again, you really have to use OS X to appreciate it's strengths -
go here and check out some of the tutorials.

Apple - Find Out How - iWork

Keeping in mind that iLife ships with EVERY mac, that iWork is $79 for a very powerful suite of products and that their PRO applications cost a fraction of their competition, Final Cut vs Avid, Logic vs Pro Tools (HD), iWork vs Office, iLife vs (there really is no anwser - live tries, but still isn't there yet - maybe someday, I hope so anyway.

Whatever works for you is what you should use. Period. I use both. I need both. I think Windows 7 is there best OS yet. But I have to disagree that OS X is a toy, far from it. Sure to the general mom and pop user it may appear as a toy due to its ease of use, but for the Pro, it is a much deeper program.

Peace
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I think this is a pretty good analysis. Apple designs nice hardware. Their systems cost too much for my taste and the closed nature of their environment keep me away, but their designs, both of hardware and software are well thought out. Say what you will of OSX, one thing it has is an attention to detail. It's not perfect, but compared to Windows, it is pretty close to perfect (in terms of attention to detail only. I got to spend a week fighting Final Cut Pro while editing a video at a friend's house. I could not believe how often the program was able to completely bring OSX down, and this is in a closed system environment. If you consider the infinite configurations Windows has to support, it's pretty obvious to me that the under-pinnings of OSX are not quite as well designed as the NT kernel).

I know a few folks who moved to Apple in the past year or two, and they are pretty happy with the decision (kinda have to be with what they paid), but still miss the little app they had for windows, that has no mac equivalent.

Apple needs to stay, to at least stimulate competition. I think XP, to some extent, and definitely Vista, have Apple to thank for some of the design and aesthetics. No, I don't buy the "Redmond, Start your copiers" line of thinking, but both companies rightfully see what works and implement them, and we the consumers benefit. That's good.

As far as picking Geek Squad over Genius Bar, that's like picking a turd sandwich over a douche bag (South Park Reference:o)

PhreePhly

Very, very well put. I couldn't agree more.
 

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So will Windows 7 stymie Apple's growth? No, Apple will hurt their own growth with overpriced computers in a downturn economy. I don't think Win 7 will have any affect Positive or Negative. To people who don't know Windows 7, Windows 7 will look too much like Vista to be considered "fresh". People who used Vista and Win 7 however, will know just how much work has gone into Vista to fix its early problems and how 7 takes it to the next level.

Being both an Apple and a PC (Windows, Linux, etc) user, I disagree with some aspects of this but I think you hit part of it. I think the biggest growth for Windows 7 will be in the Netbook area which seems to have a LOT of interest right now. Heck, I plan to get one and a guy a work already has Windows 7 running on his (Dell Mini) and it works just fine. Apple is ignoring this market completely. Then you have companies that started buying Apples and I also think Windows 7 along with Server 2008 will stop that trend also.

A big part of Vista's issues (other then the very real ones) is perception. There are some very nice PC hardware out there if you want to pay Apple prices but the OS lacked. Also Microsoft is very bad at marketing. Take their ads vs Mac. Why play their game and fight the image Apple has given the PC. PCs are the work horse of the business world and if you want to play games, forget Macs. Also, MS should go out of their way to support both Mac and Linux and then prompt that face (they do support Mac more then Mac supports Windows).
 

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