16GB of RAM upgrade and WEI memory score unchanged

[Heretikos]

My Windows Experience Index was @ 7.4 for the Memory (calculations per second) when I had 6GB of RAM in it. I put 16GB in it and it remains unchanged. My Processor and Primary Hard Disk score actually went up .1 point, lol, I don't know how or why. Anyways, you should know, It is the right ram for my computer, FOR SURE the right RAM. My computer is seeing and using the 16GB of RAM. I don't get it. I ran a memtest and all that. I know the WEI doesn't mean much, but like everyone else, I still get a little annoyed with thisl. Please, if you know anything about this, help me out with some insight. Peace!

 

[windude99]

My Windows Experience Index was @ 7.4 for the Memory (calculations per second) when I had 6GB of RAM in it. I put 16GB in it and it remains unchanged. My Processor and Primary Hard Disk score actually went up .1 point, lol, I don't know how or why. Anyways, you should know, It is the right ram for my computer, FOR SURE the right RAM. My computer is seeing and using the 16GB of RAM. I don't get it. I ran a memtest and all that. I know the WEI doesn't mean much, but like everyone else, I still get a little annoyed with thisl. Please, if you know anything about this, help me out with some insight. Peace!

The memory score won't change because of more memory. It only changes when there is faster memory put into the computer than what it already has, or if the current ram is overclocked to make it run at a higher speed.

 

[Heretikos]

Thanks, that makes sense bud... But on my Toshiba, I raised my memory score by 2 digits by upgrading from 4GB to 8GB of RAM. I don't see why it affected that then, hmmm..

 

[windude99]

Thanks, that makes sense bud... But on my Toshiba, I raised my memory score by 2 digits by upgrading from 4GB to 8GB of RAM. I don't see why it affected that then, hmmm..

Hmmmm. I know that on my old Dell Inspiron, I reseated one of the ram sticks and the ram started running faster.

 

[Heretikos]

I am very thankful for you taking the time to answer my question. But I have another if you can.. I can't get faster ram for my laptop, right? I am only supposed to get a certain speed and that's it, right? There's not a whole lot of options of a laptop right? Yes, I'm a noob... But I use common sense and talk to computer nerds, so it helps.

 

[Heretikos]

OMG nevermind, I'm just now learning about CL=10 Cl=11... That asshole at the computer store said all RAM was the same. ****ing Microcenter know it all prick couldn't even get RAM right when I asked him. Jeez... It's not all the same at all. Why do they always say that at the store? I knew it wasn't. THey always say "Oh yeah, all RAM is the same" wtf

 

[ignatzatsonic]

OMG nevermind, I'm just now learning about CL=10 Cl=11... That asshole at the computer store said all RAM was the same. ****ing Microcenter know it all prick couldn't even get RAM right when I asked him. Jeez... It's not all the same at all. Why do they always say that at the store? I knew it wasn't. THey always say "Oh yeah, all RAM is the same" wtf

I wouldn't get too excited about it. The differences in timing and speed have very little effect in day-to-day use, although they can show up in benchmarks like WEI.

 

[Brds7t7]

16 RAM is more than enough and 7.1 is a good score in WEI.
Mine only clocks in at 5.9 as it's DDR2 not DDR3 but runs perfectly fine.
Your system will run well on what you have.

 

[pparks1]

Please try not to over focus on the WEI number. The difference between 7.4 and 7.9 for your RAM will NOT amount to anything tangible when using the computer day-to-day.

Even if you went with faster timings from memory, I almost flat out guarantee that you could not prove with a stopwatch any difference whatsoever with any task that you perform on your computer.

 

[Heretikos]

For god sakes, I know the WEI is BS people. I ask out of curiosity, ok. If that bugs you, then go away. I know my computers ram runs good. I'm just curious about the WEI as many others are, even though we all know it's BS. Any insight as to why upgrading from 4GB to 8GB in my toshiba doubles my memory score in WEI (alos it raised the graphics scores for some reason)? Or why my CPU and disk data transfer rate went up .1 point on this current system when adding the 16GB?

 

[cluberti]

Well, no - the WEI is most certainly not BS. It's an accurate representation of hardware performance (mostly speed) under what Microsoft considers viable tests of real-world performance. If your WEI went up after upgrading memory, then the new memory was likely faster and was of better quality than the OEM stuff (remember, the OEM stuff is usually NOT high-end kit as there are costs involved with doing so on scale for the OEM, whereas good upgrade components are likely better quality). Graphics (assuming it was onboard) would have been using that new memory, and it would have been faster (thus raising the graphics memory performance, which is a big deal in Windows). CPU tests also test access to the memory (as this is an everyday, all of the time kind of thing) and disk speeds can be affected by memory performance as well (both disk read and write caching and superfetch performance).

Upgrading to FASTER memory has the potential to improve more than one of your WEI scores for these reasons - upgrading to MORE memory (if it isn't a vast speed improvement over the stuff it replaced) isn't going to increase your WEI score, but it is still likely to improve your use case experience overall, as you'll have more room for Superfetch cache and more virtual address space from programs can be stored in RAM and not paged out under heavier memory load.

 

[Heretikos]

Well, no - the WEI is most certainly not BS. It's an accurate representation of hardware performance (mostly speed) under what Microsoft considers viable tests of real-world performance. If your WEI went up after upgrading memory, then the new memory was likely faster and was of better quality than the OEM stuff (remember, the OEM stuff is usually NOT high-end kit as there are costs involved with doing so on scale for the OEM, whereas good upgrade components are likely better quality). Graphics (assuming it was onboard) would have been using that new memory, and it would have been faster (thus raising the graphics memory performance, which is a big deal in Windows). CPU tests also test access to the memory (as this is an everyday, all of the time kind of thing) and disk speeds can be affected by memory performance as well (both disk read and write caching and superfetch performance).

Upgrading to FASTER memory has the potential to improve more than one of your WEI scores for these reasons - upgrading to MORE memory (if it isn't a vast speed improvement over the stuff it replaced) isn't going to increase your WEI score, but it is still likely to improve your use case experience overall, as you'll have more room for Superfetch cache and more virtual address space from programs can be stored in RAM and not paged out under heavier memory load.

THANKS! The computer that doubled the RAM score WAS shared graphics and this one isn't. As far as speed goes, I guess I'm a total noob.. I'm looking this stuff up, and I can only get one type of RAM. I'm not seeing differences in speed. I'd like to get the best I can, but the dickheads at the computer stores all say all RAM is the same. They say as long as it's pc3-10666 (same as 10600 I know) it's all the same. What do I look for in figuring what's a faster speed? I prbably sound like an idiot, but please help me not be one anymore! lol... What factor is telling me the speed? Because I can only put certain ram in my computer and everyone is telling me it's all the same.

 

[Heretikos]

Micro Center - Centon 16GB DDR3-1333 (PC3-10600) CL9 Dual Channel Laptop Memory Kit (Two 8GB Memory Modules) R1333SO8192K2 this is what I have. What can I get that's faster? ANYONE? BEcause I'm either a moron and not getting it, or I just can't find it.

 

[pparks1]

^ There are lots of factors which can determine the speed of your RAM. The store is "about" right, in that DDR3-xxxx is going to be pretty much the same. Technically, one with slighter tighter CL timings might benchmark slightly faster, but real world performance is really going to be effectively the same.

I've never really noticed any WEI or performance change when "upgrading" RAM. The only reason I would "upgrade" RAM would be to simply get more RAM so that I could potentially run more virtual machines. But I wouldn't ever "upgrade" the sticks of RAM in hopes of seeing a performance/speed increase in the day to day use of the machine. < If that is what you are expecting, you aren't likely to see it..even between the slowest DDR3-1333RAM and the absolute fastest DDR3-1333 RAM.

 

[gigagiggles]

In issue 266 of PC Format, there is a review of memory chips. The magazine does this review every few issues.

For issue 266, there was a discussion about latency timing, e.g. 9-9-9-24. The author warned that the lower the latency numbers are, the better, but at a cost elsewhere in the system.

Maximum PC's forum might also have info on this and other measureable standards.

 

[Layback Bear]

To the O/P.
First off you system doesn't suck. I have looked at your specs, It's quite nice.
From my understanding WEI doesn't work like other benchmark programs. WEI gives you a idea of how your computer is rated under normal usage. I have clocked my computer every way one can think of and found out that in the real world of computing it does very little good if any. I have my 2000 ram clocked down to 1333 and I can see no change in using the computer other than 3rd party benchmark programs. I would recommend leaving your bios set to default and enjoy your computer. Also keep in mind that overclocking creates extra heat which laptop have a problem get rid of.

 

[jimbo45]

Hi there
Memory (RAM) unless you have a really small amount is usually the LAST item that causes bad performance -- especially doing most stuff that "Normal users" usually do.

The biggest block in 99% of HOME systems is BAD or SLOW disks. An SSD will really work wonders.

Even CPU power doesn't always help either. Poor graphics can also cause a problem but that's usually only for serious gamers.

An SSD will improve even the most modest system BEYOND RECOGNITION.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[Layback Bear]

Reading OP Specs I believe the is a SSD

Hard Drives 80 GB mSATA SSD 750 GB SATA (7200 rpm)

 

[jimbo45]

Reading OP Specs I believe the is a SSD

Hard Drives 80 GB mSATA SSD 750 GB SATA (7200 rpm)

Hi there
then for every piece of equipment there is usually a maximum limit to its performance. After a certain point it becomes either impossible or prohibitively expensive to squeeze any more performance out.

For example audio gear -- 90 % are fine and cost less than 300 USD -- try getting the last bit of quality which might be a moot point whether you could hear it or not - and you could be paying 20,000 USD or more !!!.

Petrol (Gasoline) Engines are about 35 % efficient -- even increasing the efficiency by a small 5 % would virtually triple the cost of the Engine even if it could be done.

(This is good news in some way as it now makes alternative sources compete on price making research in this area viable too).

Your system is good -- so unless it's being really sluggish I wouldn't worry about WEI.

I'd be surprised if the OP had a 750 GB SSD though -- the cost of that currently would be STRATOSPHERIC!!! I think this is actually a HYBRID drive -- not sure on these vs standard SSD's other than more capacity on the "Hybrid" bit.

These while better than pure spinners might still be a factor or two away from being as fast as a conventional SSD especially as they are cheaper too --suspicious to me.

Just done a check -- true they are marginally better than pure spinners but NOTHING like as fast as a pure SSD so my original remark about an SSD improving a machine (even a modest one) CONSIDERABLY still stands.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[Zepher]

I see 2 drives listed, 80gb SSD and a 750gb 7200rpm spinner.

I went from 8 to 16 and my Wei stated the same,