Personal computing in the future: of mice and keyboards

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We've all read about it at some point within the past year or two, what with the proliferation of tablets, Windows 8, etc.: "The PC is dead!" "DEATH to the mouse and keyboard!" "Anyone who prefers to use a mouse and keyboard on a PC that has anything less than the latest-and-greatest Windows 8 on it is an idiot who refuses to accept change!"

Well, contrary to what these pundits and proclaimers seem to be pushing for, the future of computing sans mouse and keyboard sounds like an empty prospect in many ways. Why do I say that? Read on, thou who dares to question questionable progress!

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Personal computing in the future: of mice and keyboards | ZDNet
 

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I do heavy technical documentation and software development. Trying to do that by voice and touch would be worse than stupid. It simply would not be sufficiently productive by a factor nearing a hundred.

For example, I once was required to write an embedded system software driver in assembly language using a KSR 33 teletype as my only IO device. The editor, the compiler, the source code, and the object code had to pass through a 15 bytes/sec paper tape interface for each cycle of the development. It took me a month to write, test, and validate a mere 100 byte portion (~10% of the estimated total). A functional driver was due to be mated with the rest of the software and hardware in three months. After demonstrating the inadequacy of a KSR 33 for the purpose, a high speed paper tape reader and punch was ordered and delivered. I completed the driver in less than two weeks afterward. Yes, this is ancient history (ca 1972). However, it demonstrates the necessity of using the right tools for the job.

There are things for which voice command and touch are absolutely wonderful but there are many other things for which they are not in the same ballpark let alone marginally useful. Hence, different people with different needs will require different combination of IO devices to be effective and productive. Up till now, that was the strength of MS Dos and Windows. You could pick and choose and generally make it work. Now, by decree from on high, we are to be restricted to a toy of a touch user interface and a very crippled keyboard-mouse interface - both of which I find visually and functionally offensive to the point of being not worth trying to use for any purpose.

In case you wish to accuse me of not trying it out, don't. I actually did try very hard. I spent a lot of time over abut a week trying to make it work for my technical writing and a 275K line software development project. I was even able to make it work sort of. If I had had a gun to my head, I might have been able to live with it for a short while before asking the trigger to be pulled. But why do it when Windows 7 does everything I want and need the way I want to do it? The Windows 8 system is no longer and never to return to my venue until Microsoft wakes up and starts serving its customer base as actual customers rather than as mindless captives without will or independent purpose.

From my perspective, I do not exist to serve Microsoft in any capacity. Microsoft is merely a source of paid for capabilities that fit MY purpose for a lower cost and effort than to develop the capabilities myself. Otherwise they are welcome to go down any path to hell they wish to follow.
 

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In a few years there will be 2 billion laptops and desktops in use around the world. Don't know why no one bothers to mention this. It will take a minimum of many decades, perhaps a century or more, to transfer the work human beings do on them to something else. Even then they won't be eliminated.

It's like saying in the 1500s, in five hundred years people will not be using boats.
 

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Making things different is easy. Making the different thing valuable is difficult. Making that difference valuable enough to people to cause them to buy it is very difficult. To have that to happen frequently enough to satisfy the business needs of a mega corporation the size of Microsoft is way beyond vary difficult.

As for Windows 8, I think Microsoft took the easy way out and simply made changes for the sake of making a change. The excuse was they were after the world of touch devices. unfortunately, they lost touch (pun intended) with a huge user base happy with Windows XP and Windows 7. The unintended consequences will multiply from here on out. I predict the consequences will make the Vista debacle look like a dance in the park.
 

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I see computers re-branching back into the old home computer VS workstation paradigm. The home computer is basically a mutated Xbox with win 8, it can do limited things, but home users won't need more than that anyway. Like with tablets.

The workstation is what we have now as a computer, with keyboard and stuff, as seriously, a touchscreen is an ergonomic nightmare. You must keep it under your fingers while you sit in the right position AND it must stay at 1 meter from your face, high enough to not cause you to roll yourself up and cause future back aches.

That said, a touch-screen as a fully-customizable keyboard is going to rock if that isn't my main screen.
 

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I wonder what operating system was used by the people who created Windows 8. Then could these same people use Windows 8 to create Windows 9. Reading about Windows 8 and watching a bunch of How To videos about Windows 8 makes me think the only thing that can be created on a Windows 8 system is a mess. Just my 3 brain cell over working again.

Very good observation. :thumbsup:

Wouldn't it be a hoot if they used Linux?
 

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Hum well the thought of having to touch some dirty filthy screen that you wouldn't know who had been at it turns my stomach to be quite blunt.


At least with my own mouse and keyboard it's my one bacteria - the ones at work we regularly clean with medicated clothes as policy.


In any case I personally think those hand held pieces of rubbish are time wasters, proven to be dangerous when used driving, and are out of date before they hit the shops:sarc:

As for being an idiot if indeed that is what he said I think Mr.Chapman being as I take it an educated man, shows an appalling lack of good manners and taste.:sarc:
 

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Tell that to the millions of pc gamers and see what their response is, mine included. You're nuts!! I don't want some touch screen which just makes everything more complicated and slows down progress because of all these unneeded hand gestures to move web pages or would I have to move my finger every were to shoot players in games. IMO if you have played shooters like on the ipad or itouch, it's not as actuate as you would be with a mouse. I can't imagine how gaming would be, I am already shivering just thinking about it. Though if you read the article, he talks about why keyboards and mice are here to stay and makes some valid points. Also who ever said people who don't like touch screen stuff as much as keys and mice and says they're here to stay is a idiot is ironic and I find it amusing to a extent. Funny what these so call future predictors that call out the extreme can come up with.
 

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In a few years there will be 2 billion laptops and desktops in use around the world. Don't know why no one bothers to mention this. It will take a minimum of many decades, perhaps a century or more, to transfer the work human beings do on them to something else. Even then they won't be eliminated.

It's like saying in the 1500s, in five hundred years people will not be using boats.

Hi there
Cars and Trains haven't deprecated Horses and Bicycles. Some tasks are better performed with the former, some the latter -- apart from "non work related" ideas such as simple recreation -- what's wrong with Horse or Bicycle riding even (or especially) in 21 st cent.

Incidently most people can type much much faster than they can write - or enter via touch screens

Also most of these touch screens are designed for inputting normal "Latin" type QWERTY symbols.

What about entering a load Chinese text / other text that uses special characters outside the normal European "Latin" type typeset via a touch screen -- No thanks.

I tried a Chinese smart phone in Hong Kong -- now I know I'm no expert in ANY Chinese dialect but I knew enough basic Mandarin to throw this wretched phone into the muddy water at the bottom of the Victoria Harbour -- and nearly got fined for "Dropping Litter" !!!.

I'm sure native speakers get on all right with this stuff but for people doing any sort of translation a keyboard is still IMO 100% essential whether you are using a tablet or PC.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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I wonder what operating system was used by the people who created Windows 8. Then could these same people use Windows 8 to create Windows 9. Reading about Windows 8 and watching a bunch of How To videos about Windows 8 makes me think the only thing that can be created on a Windows 8 system is a mess. Just my 3 brain cell over working again.

Very good observation. :thumbsup:

Wouldn't it be a hoot if they used Linux?

It would be even funnier if they used OSx.
 

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Tell that to the millions of pc gamers and see what their response is, mine included...

That comment triggered one of my brain cells (the other is still dormant) to remember CBM (Commodore Business Machines). They were notorious for abandoning previous computer systems everytime they came out with a new one. They once had a corner on the educational computer market but decided to abandon it because it wasn't large enouge. Apple rushed in to fill the void. Apple is still around and CBM is a footnote in history.
 

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Hey look I just don't agree with this bloke full stop. Are we going to be like flipping lemmings and follow over the edge ( I know someone will pull me up for that it is just an figuratively formed analogy)

For my money I want to be able to get my hands inside the ting an do what I want to do not what some egghead designer of wobblepads wants me to do.

IMHO it is a no brainer and wobblepads for the braindead;)
 

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ICit2lol: For my money I want to be able to get my hands inside the ting an do what I want to do not what some egghead designer of wobblepads wants me to do.

I am totally with you. However, I think you are much too kind to the wobblepad designers and their wannabe masters of the universe managers who require them to design such atrocities.

The egghead designers and their managers of at least three levels up should be on the street looking for a job. The thought that they have the audacity to want to dictate to me what I can do, how I can do it, and why I do it is enough to make me want to damn them to the deepest and hottest pit of hell. Then add to the punishment by requiring them to listen to automated on line marketing pitches 24/7. Merely suffering eternal damnation is too good for them.

New is not necessarily better. Old is not necessarily useless and needing to be replaced. The tool used must match the purpose. If your purpose is a high level of creativity and productivity, then the world of touch devices has no place while a keyboard and precision pointing device is mandatory. I can type at roughly 70 WPM and use a marble mouse that requires I only move three fingers. I can control the cursor with a single finger while for a normal mouse, I must move my whole arm and lose accuracy very quickly. I work at a computer from three to 6 hours a day at programming software and writing technical documents. I can't imagine doing what I do with a touch device.

If your purpose is only to consume the content created by others, then perhaps a touch device will suffice.
 

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Yeah well LK I couldn't and wouldn't use language befitting them people as you say I think it quite arrogant they say that our PC's and hardware are going to die. I for one will still keep buying stuff as long as they make it.

They can go wobble their fancy held pieces of rubbish with each other. Plus long gone are the normal ways of communicating with friends and family - my own son sends me emails from his wobblepad - sometimes when he is not on that piece of crap called Facebook or Twattering some gormless air head.

I think the gamers proper must be worried though in case they have to play using her thumbs which I heard commented on the other day as probably to be the next evolutionary step and we end up with thumbs ten inches long :sarc:
 

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Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4
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If your purpose is only to consume the content created by others, then perhaps a touch device will suffice.
This is the main selling point of such touchscreen simplified devices. Most users don't really need more than some terminal-like device to write and read some nonsense on facebook/twitter and carpet bomb all their friends with some gigabytes worth of photos of babies and pussies and puppies per day while driving their car. Also to look at pr0n.

I have seen a ton of keyboards for tablets, but much less mices, as precise pointing isn't a horribly huge need for the tasks you can do on that, and portability makes a mice pretty annoying to use as you now have 3 different devices to place somewhere on you while on the couch.

So if the casual user moves to tablets, mices are going to take a pretty big hit.

But I don't see why keyboards are going to disappear. They aren't. All keyboards for tablets sell like cakes.

If they want to ditch keyboards for people that have even a modicum of writing needs they need to come up with something better, and a touchscreen is NOT better.
 

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CPU fan, GPU fan, case fan, nothing fancy
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Optical, logitec.
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effective max speeds: 70-ish kB/s down 30-ish kB/s up
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bobafetthotmail portability makes a mice pretty annoying

That is partly why I use a marble mouse. All it needs is a place to land and doesn't have to move after that. You have two buttons and a ball. The ball is rolled to move the cursor using one finger rather than moving the entire mouse. I have a small case for my marble mouse hooked onto my laptop bag. I can and have done a lot of portable work with that arrangement. The touch pad on the laptop is all but useless for me.

I have one each for my desktop and laptop. A spare one to use for my laptop at home and one spare not yet taken out of its carton. Average life span for the marble mouse is between 2 and 4 years.
 

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I would like to bring up the point not only it being a broken OS

How many smart phones or phones with touchscreens have people been through

I for one got sick of a touchscreen phone that would play out and trying to touch things it would do something else ,off calibration issue busted screens and when the screen plays out have to buy a new one ?

Also like to mention I no longer use a smartphone went back to the Standard button pressing the touchscreen crap gave me a Headache ....

This kind of Tech is not a good investment unless it is a Security set up seriously
 
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In a few years there will be 2 billion laptops and desktops in use around the world. Don't know why no one bothers to mention this. It will take a minimum of many decades, perhaps a century or more, to transfer the work human beings do on them to something else. Even then they won't be eliminated.

It's like saying in the 1500s, in five hundred years people will not be using boats.

Normally I don't comment on this site anymore, just casually scan an article I randomly click when I'm bored because this is one of the shortcut tabs in Chrome I'm too lazy to delete. I do this because I don't seem to be the right age/knowledge group here, and there's nothing wrong with that at all for this site... I'm just not an eager-to-learn-this-sweet-stuff highschooler anymore, and not a 40-70yo still-staying-up-to-date user either. BUT I used to be the eager-to-learn highschooler, because this (IT) isn't just my career, but my complete and total passion.

Having said that, my homebrew/personal passion side occasionally feel too much of an urge to hold back on some of these statements, and this is one of them. I really have no idea how you came to the conclusion that it could take 'decades to centuries' for us to translate desktops/laptops to tablets. The thing is, I agree with you, it's a ridiculous leap and tablets and laptops both suit their own specific types of markets, but neither can do the other's job perfectly. It's like when car manufacturers try and put trucks and cars together, they always come out looking retarded or completely impractical. But think about this- in 1983, just a few years after videogames took off- the world thought that fad was over. 2 years later it blew up again and never stopped. In the 70's, no one but the nerdiest of nerds ever thought computers would be practical or necessary enough to fit- or be needed- inside a home. In 1993, cellphone's were only inside cars and toted around by rich guys. In 2006, touchscreen/smartphones were still such a niche market no one would have expected something like the iphone to make them a mainstay in the hands of almost everyone on the planet. In 1994, the internet or 'web' was barely a term anyone had even heard of, and by 1996 everyone was trying to get connected. 10 years ago that '2 billion' figure you mentioned was probably less than a quarter of that. If you told everyone in 1900 that they'd be driving around in self-powered cars in 10 years, they'd look at you the same way you'd imagine those 'tell people in the 1500's they wouldn't be using boats anymore' statement was. If you get past that, I mean look at how quickly the entire world can adopt even useless stuff if it's marketed correctly- remember Kony 2012? Within 2 weeks the entire world knew his name, and 2 weeks later everyone forgot just as fast.

So I agree with you that it's absurd for Microsoft to be trying to push this like everyone's gonna adopt it and it's the clear way to the future, because it isn't an evolution of computers... it's a totally different type of computer. And tablet OS's/technology has been trying to be pushed for about 20 years now too (just like 3D technology's been trying to get pushed since the 50's). But I don't agree with your logic behind that opinion, because if tablet tech WAS actually practical and capable of doing everything PC's do now, just in a better way (like, say LCD's replacing CRT's, that incorporated everything from old tech and fixed all the big the disadvantages it had), I'm quite confident the world wouldn't have any problem adopting it ASAP. It's just a stupid technology (when compared to conventional computers), and Windows 8 is a retarded approach at trying to force people to adopt it.
 

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onesixski Welcome back to the Forum. IT is a passion, that is great. We can use such people. As far as I know nobody has to fit into some sort of group on this Forum. Because we have over a quarter of a million members there will be various levels of knowledge and age differences. For me; I enjoy reading post from people with the knowledge you have. Odds are their is some that don't. You can look back through my post and it won't take you long to figure out I'm no IT expert but I do enjoy trying to learn. I also enjoy helping others when I can. Hang around and give us another chance.
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Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pro/64
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Intel i7-6800K @ 4.3
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ASUS X-99 Deluxe II
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Phanteks Luxe Tempered Glass 8 fans/ one radiator
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