More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

[Layback Bear]

Take a sneak peek at this now and again.

 

[Guildedwings]

I'm not gonna lie. Windows 8 should be aimed more towards tablets and not as an actual desktop OS. Microsoft has been doing a lot of messed up stuff after their release.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

I'm not gonna lie. Windows 8 should be aimed more towards tablets and not as an actual desktop OS. Microsoft has been doing a lot of messed up stuff after their release.

Yep I agree Wings I reckon they should have stuck to tried and trusted methods and developed a system for separate use with those other thingys, and just made 7 a bit more faster.

As it is I think they lost a lot of kudos mucking around like they have and it must be costing a fortune to get things back into shape.

Personally I work in a health dept that has just gone over to 7 from XP and mate a majority of the staff do not know how to use a computer let alone work a system. So in my mind 8 in the Metro format is and always will be an absolute disaster in that using it on the computers as a main stay of data collection and reference especially the line of work I am in just that our workload has become ever greater and more complex. (I might add the main push in my profession is one of electronically recording just about everything now and for the future period.)

Going from XP to 7 has been more challenging even to those who can use the computers than anyone could imagined let alone those who are computer illiterate. So add to that the inability of the workforce to operate a computer let alone the system is nothing short of madness.

This is just one instance where I think that Microsoft haven't or didn't see coming hence the furore there is around the 8 system now, and I am only talking of my work place, there must be more work places so affected. In fact that yours, mine and everyones health for that matter could be put at risk by ever more complicated methods and systems that an average worker cannot use with confidence, efficiency and most scary of all anyone's safety.

 

[whs]

Right, it is a mess. This dual user interface is like herring with plum pudding. Tastes terrible.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

I'm not gonna lie. Windows 8 should be aimed more towards tablets and not as an actual desktop OS. Microsoft has been doing a lot of messed up stuff after their release.

Yep I agree Wings I reckon they should have stuck to tried and trusted methods and developed a system for separate use with those other thingys, and just made 7 a bit more faster.

As it is I think they lost a lot of kudos mucking around like they have and it must be costing a fortune to get things back into shape.

Personally I work in a health dept that has just gone over to 7 from XP and mate a majority of the staff do not know how to use a computer let alone work a system. So in my mind 8 in the Metro format is and always will be an absolute disaster in that using it on the computers as a main stay of data collection and reference especially the line of work I am in just that our workload has become ever greater and more complex. (I might add the main push in my profession is one of electronically recording just about everything now and for the future period.)

Going from XP to 7 has been more challenging even to those who can use the computers than anyone could imagined let alone those who are computer illiterate. So add to that the inability of the workforce to operate a computer let alone the system is nothing short of madness.

This is just one instance where I think that Microsoft haven't or didn't see coming hence the furore there is around the 8 system now, and I am only talking of my work place, there must be more work places so affected. In fact that yours, mine and everyones health for that matter could be put at risk by ever more complicated methods and systems that an average worker cannot use with confidence, efficiency and most scary of all anyone's safety.

Curious. I bought my first Win 7 machine (Lenovo G570 notebook) a little over a year ago while on a trip visiting friends. I didn't fire it up until I got home because I was expecting a really steep learning curve. I was pleasantly surprised. I was up and running and fully functional in minutes. I normally have trouble learning new things but the transition from XP to Win 7 was almost seamless. Of course, these fora helped considerably.

Win 8 is a whole 'nuther story.

 

[gregrocker]

If you want Win7's native perfect performance you'll want to replace the Lenovo Factory Preinstall with a Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7.

At the minimum I'd Clean Up Factory Bloatware until you can get around to the reinstall.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

If you want Win7's native perfect performance you'll want to replace the Lenovo Factory Preinstall with a Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7.

At the minimum I'd Clean Up Factory Bloatware until you can get around to the reinstall.

Actually, Lenovo's factory install is pretty clean without much actual bloatware which is one reason I did a factory restore recently instead of a clean install (not to mention I didn't have to look for drivers to install). I also wanted to keep Lenovo's Power Plan software because it had the option to keep the battery at a 50% charge level when mostly using AC (which is what I do) to maximize battery life. I also kept the Boot Optimizer that cleans up any crud that creeps in, causing boot speed to go down. That last option actually does work amazingly well. The only bloatware I had to remove was the Lenovo Game console (no games, though; they have to be downloaded). I also removed the software associated with the webcam. Although I have a circle of tape over the webcam to prevent a hacker from ever using it to spy on me, removing the associated software also ensures it can never be used and cleaned things up a bit. That was all. I was amazed when I got the notebook a year ago at how clean Lenovo's installation is. The only complaint I have is the touchpad driver won't let me permanently disable the miserable, misbegotten, no good for nothing, cotton pickin', stinkin', rotten, idiot touchpad or, even better, disable it when a mouse is present. And, yes, it's the latest driver (mutter, mutter, mumble, mumble).

 

[gregrocker]

Drivers stopped being an issue in XP.

Win7 is driver-complete in the installer, quickly updated when you get online to run all rounds of Important and Optional Updates, after enabling Automatically deliver drivers via Windows Update (Step 3).

I've never found an OEM utility that doesn't have a better version built into Win7. If you really, really want one then you can find the Power Manager download here: http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/downloads/detail.page?LegacyDocID=MIGR-70601

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Drivers stopped being an issue in XP.

Win7 is driver-complete in the installer, quickly updated when you get online to run all rounds of Important and Optional Updates, after enabling Automatically deliver drivers via Windows Update (Step 3).

I've never found an OEM utility that doesn't have a better version built into Win7. If you really, really want one then you can find the Power Manager download here: Power Manager for Windows 7 (32-bit, 64-bit), Vista (32-bit, 64-bit) - Notebook

Well, Lenovo's Power manager utility is definitely better than Win 7's (and that's not saying Win 7's isn't good). Win 7 doesn't have the equivalent of Lenovo's Boot Optimizer. One probably could do what it can manually, but it's tedious and it's so much easier to let the Boot Optimizer do it.

Other than the webcam software (which, technically, isn't bloatware since it is needed to use the webcam) and the Games Console, there just wasn't anything else that needed removing. Doing the factory restore simply was easier and faster than doing a clean install. Basically, other than removing some software, it was as simple as pressing one button.

While, technically, you are correct about Win 7 having or being able to find its own drivers, sometimes they are just generic drivers and some hardware have better, more specific drivers available. Again, with doing the factory restore, I didn't have to worry about it.

 

[sygnus21]

While, technically, you are correct about Win 7 having or being able to find its own drivers, sometimes they are just generic drivers and some hardware have better, more specific drivers available.

Completely agree with this.

While some may prefer the basic provisions of Window's generic drivers, other may want more robust functionality as stated above, or in the example where a gamer much prefers the control panel associated the video card drivers from the GPU vendor over the basic ones Windows provides.

What may be "bloat" to some can be of value to others. It's just a matter of use to the individual.

My two cents.

 

[gregrocker]

I understand gamers often need the full GPU software package, particularly for overclocking.

I'm interested in adding a Special Note for Lenovo Owners in http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/219487-clean-reinstall-factory-oem-windows-7-a.html#post1839164 that concisely explain the benefits of keeping this software. Is there anything besides Power Manager and Boot Optimizer, and is there a download for Boot Optimizer?. Any suggested blurbs would be especially appreciated.

I agree that the generic placeholder Standard VGA driver should never be acceptable and have only seen it settled for once in thousands of installs. However we've found OEM chipsets that gave problems which didn't happen with the Windows drivers. Especially for consumers it's proven over time to be best to stick with the Windows Drivers until they prove problematic or in exceptional cases like you've made us aware of here.

 

[Scoop]

Take a sneak peek at this now and again.
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Thanks for that screencap. That's a fast way to check on custom Tasks in the Scheduler.

Curious. I bought my first Win 7 machine (Lenovo G570 notebook) a little over a year ago while on a trip visiting friends. I didn't fire it up until I got home because I was expecting a really steep learning curve. I was pleasantly surprised. I was up and running and fully functional in minutes. I normally have trouble learning new things but the transition from XP to Win 7 was almost seamless. Of course, these fora helped considerably.

Win 8 is a whole 'nuther story.

I was the same when I jumped from XP to 7. I was a little concerned about the transition before buying my 7 PC but once I had it tweeked in, it's been great. MS got it right this time. The search boxes in 7 (Control Pnl, etc) made it much faster and easier for me vs XP and so far, I've not seen any instability, crashes, etc.

Going into my 4th year on the 7 Desktop, it's been error-free.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

I understand gamers often need the full GPU software package, particularly for overclocking.

I'm interested in adding a Special Note for Lenovo Owners in http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/219487-clean-reinstall-factory-oem-windows-7-a.html#post1839164 that concisely explain the benefits of keeping this software. Is there anything besides Power Manager and Boot Optimizer, and is there a download for Boot Optimizer?. Any suggested blurbs would be especially appreciated.

I agree that the generic placeholder Standard VGA driver should never be acceptable and have only seen it settled for once in thousands of installs. However we've found OEM chipsets that gave problems which didn't happen with the Windows drivers. Especially for consumers it's proven over time to be best to stick with the Windows Drivers until they prove problematic or in exceptional cases like you've made us aware of here.

I never could find out for sure which was the correct download for Boot Optimizer. Boot Optimizer has to be tailored for each Lenovo model because it interacts with Win 7 and various supporting software and drivers so they will together at their best. I found it one heckuvalot easier to just use the factory reinstall. I've own two commercial desktops and three netbooks from three different manufacturers (Gateway, Acer, and Asus) and those all had a large amount of carpware that had to be removed. All Lenovo had that could be classified as crapware was the Lenovo Game Console and McAfee (forgot to mention it earlier). The Game Console was easy to ditch and it didn't take long to find, download, and implement the removal tool for McAfee. The whole process was much simpler than manually clean installing Win 7.

Normally, I would agree a clean install of Win 7 is better but Lenovo (at least the G570) is definitely an exception.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

I'm not gonna lie. Windows 8 should be aimed more towards tablets and not as an actual desktop OS. Microsoft has been doing a lot of messed up stuff after their release.

Yep I agree Wings I reckon they should have stuck to tried and trusted methods and developed a system for separate use with those other thingys, and just made 7 a bit more faster.

As it is I think they lost a lot of kudos mucking around like they have and it must be costing a fortune to get things back into shape.

Personally I work in a health dept that has just gone over to 7 from XP and mate a majority of the staff do not know how to use a computer let alone work a system. So in my mind 8 in the Metro format is and always will be an absolute disaster in that using it on the computers as a main stay of data collection and reference especially the line of work I am in just that our workload has become ever greater and more complex. (I might add the main push in my profession is one of electronically recording just about everything now and for the future period.)

Going from XP to 7 has been more challenging even to those who can use the computers than anyone could imagined let alone those who are computer illiterate. So add to that the inability of the workforce to operate a computer let alone the system is nothing short of madness.

This is just one instance where I think that Microsoft haven't or didn't see coming hence the furore there is around the 8 system now, and I am only talking of my work place, there must be more work places so affected. In fact that yours, mine and everyones health for that matter could be put at risk by ever more complicated methods and systems that an average worker cannot use with confidence, efficiency and most scary of all anyone's safety.

Curious. I bought my first Win 7 machine (Lenovo G570 notebook) a little over a year ago while on a trip visiting friends. I didn't fire it up until I got home because I was expecting a really steep learning curve. I was pleasantly surprised. I was up and running and fully functional in minutes. I normally have trouble learning new things but the transition from XP to Win 7 was almost seamless. Of course, these fora helped considerably.

Win 8 is a whole 'nuther story.

Yep Lady Fitz but I work with folks who either have just used a computer to play simple games or Ebay on or have never switched one on because they have been trained to care for folks with health problems and have no interest in computers - plus I reckon there must be other types of business or work situations where a similar set up is in place.

 

[gregrocker]

Normally, I would agree a clean install of Win 7 is better but Lenovo (at least the G570) is definitely an exception.

My first thought is that you must go to a re-education camp to be shown endless videos of a Win7 Clean Reinstall's superior performance, however since it's Our Lady I instead added this to Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7 pending your approval:

   Note

Special Note for Lenovo Owners

Download for the Power Manager which has a feature that will not let the battery fall below 50% is here: Power Manager for Windows 7 (32-bit, 64-bit), Vista (32-bit, 64-bit) - Notebook

At least for the G570 our colleague Lady Fitzgerald reports that both the Power Manager and Boot Optimizer make keeping the Factory Install worthwhile since it is not that bloated and cleans up easily. Clean Up Factory Bloatware

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Normally, I would agree a clean install of Win 7 is better but Lenovo (at least the G570) is definitely an exception.

My first thought is that you must go to a re-education camp to be shown endless videos of a Win7 Clean Reinstall's superior performance, however since it's Our Lady I instead added this to Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7 pending your approval:

   Note

Special Note for Lenovo Owners

Download for the Power Manager which has a feature that will not let the battery fall below 50% is here: Power Manager for Windows 7 (32-bit, 64-bit), Vista (32-bit, 64-bit) - Notebook

At least for the G570 our colleague Lady Fitzgerald reports that both the Power Manager and Boot Optimizer make keeping the Factory Install worthwhile since it is not that bloated and cleans up easily. Clean Up Factory Bloatware

Looks good to me.

 

[Wenda]

Well, speaking from my personal experience, this Acer laptop had very little in the way of crapware or bloatware on it when purchased. But then, it is (was) a top-end model aimed at the professional/expert user, not the average content-consumer.

But yes, I did end up doing a clean install anyway.


Wenda.

 

[mjf]

I believe you can generally clean the so called "crapware" away without too much effort before needing to do a clean install. We need to accept that some users would be very nervous with a "clean install".
Given most OEM PCs will now come with W8 my question is - how easy is it to do a clean install?

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Well, speaking from my personal experience, this Acer laptop had very little in the way of crapware or bloatware on it when purchased. But then, it is (was) a top-end model aimed at the professional/expert user, not the average content-consumer.

But yes, I did end up doing a clean install anyway.


Wenda.

That Acer may have been clean but the two Acer netbooks and the one Acer desktop I had were practically bursting at the seams with crapware.

 

[sygnus21]

Well, speaking from my personal experience, this Acer laptop had very little in the way of crapware or bloatware on it when purchased. But then, it is (was) a top-end model aimed at the professional/expert user, not the average content-consumer.

But yes, I did end up doing a clean install anyway.

Wenda.

That Acer may have been clean but the two Acer netbooks and the one Acer desktop I had were practically bursting at the seams with crapware.

Speaking of crapware I have to say my Asus Prime notebook with Windows 8 was relatively free of it. I think I wound up removing like two apps which also included MacAfee, which was replaced in favor of Norton Internet Security.