DDR4 Next-gen memory. Next-gen performance.

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The next generation of DD4 RAM is coming soon.

Coming late 2013.

Designed to enable the next generation of enterprise and consumer products, Crucial® DDR4 memory technology represents the future of computing. Moving beyond the outgrown limitations of DDR3 module architecture, Crucial DDR4 memory is engineered to pack more performance into your system and has the capability to double the available density per module. Crucial DDR4 modules will use up to 20% less voltage than previous technology, and will enable mainstream data rates that are at least twice as fast as DDR3 memory. With DDR4 memory in your system, get ready to process data twice as fast, load applications faster, experience quick snap responsiveness and increased ability to multitask. If you thought the tablets, ultrabooks, and desktops of today already seem fast — get ready to be blown away. The technology that enables electronics is about to get better and faster than ever before.

Read more at:

Crucial.com - Crucial DDR4 coming soon!

and

DDR4 SDRAM - Micron Technology, Inc.

and

DDR4 SDRAM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Thanks for the interesting read Brink. DDR4 memory looks like a very nice addition for when I update my current PC in a couple of years. That is, unless it becomes DDR5 by that time. :D
 

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Since DDR5 is already common, why bother with DDR4?
 

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This is what I'm waiting on.........DDR4 RAM and SATA Express. Can feel a new PC build coming then. Thanks for the info Shawn
 

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Graphics cards jumped from DDR3 to DDR5 without bothering with 4. I still use some CAS2 DDR, I wonder how high the latency will be with DDR4?
 

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Since DDR5 is already common, why bother with DDR4?

That is GDDR5, graphics card only memory.

The principle differences are:
•DDR3 runs at a higher voltage that GDDR5 (typically 1.25-1.65V versus ~1V)
•DDR3 uses a 64-bit memory controller per channel ( so, 128-bit bus for dual channel, 256-bit for quad channel), whereas GDDR5 is paired with controllers of a nominal 32-bit (16 bit each for input and output), but whereas the CPU's memory contoller is 64-bit per channel, a GPU can utilise any number of 32-bit I/O's (at the cost of die size) depending upon application ( 2 for 64-bit bus, 4 for 128-bit, 6 for 192-bit, 8 for 256-bit, 12 for 384-bit etc...). The GDDR5 setup also allows for doubling or asymetric memory configurations. Normally (using this generation of cards as example) GDDR5 memory uses 2Gbit memory chips for each 32-bit I/O (I.e for a 256-bit bus/2GB card: 8 x 32-bit I/O each connected by a circuit to a 2Gbit IC = 8 x 2Gbit = 16Gbit = 2GB), but GDDR5 can also operate in what is known as clamshell mode, where the 32-bit I/O instead of being connected to one IC is split between two (one on each side of the PCB) allowing for a doubling up of memory capacity. Mixing the arrangement of 32-bit memory controllers, memory IC density, and memory circuit splitting allows of asymetric configurations ( 192-bit, 2GB VRAM for example)
•Physically, a GDDR5 controller/IC doubles the I/O of DDR3 - With DDR, I/O handles an input (written to memory), or output (read from memory) but not both on the same cycle. GDDR handles input and output on the same cycle.

The memory is also fundamentally set up specifically for the application it uses:
System memory (DDR3) benefits from low latency (tight timings) at the expense of bandwidth, GDDR5's case is the opposite. Timings for GDDR5 would seems unbelieveably slow in relation to DDR3, but the speed of VRAM is blazing fast in comparison with desktop RAM- this has resulted from the relative workloads that a CPU and GPU undertake. Latency isn't much of an issue with GPU's since their parallel nature allows them to move to other calculation when latency cycles cause a stall in the current workload/thread. The performance of a graphics card for instance is greatly affected (as a percentage) by altering the internal bandwidth, yet altering the external bandwidth (the PCI-Express bus, say lowering from x16 to x8 or x4 lanes) has a minimal effect. This is because there is a great deal of I/O (textures for examples) that get swapped in and out of VRAM continuously- the nature of a GPU is many parallel computations, whereas a CPU computes in a basically linear way.

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Graphics cards jumped from DDR3 to DDR5 without bothering with 4. I still use some CAS2 DDR, I wonder how high the latency will be with DDR4?

Actually, some AMD cards did use GDDR4, but it didn't perform as well as the developing GDDR5, and it was costing the same, so it didn't last long.

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if im correct in saying, doesnt the ps4 have gddr5 ram? not on the gpu but as main system ram
 

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then i see no reason as to why it cant be brought out on pc! consoles are just mini pc's after all!
 

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No one said it couldn't ;) But a PC has different memory needs then a gaming console. It is also quite expensive ram. A Guy
 

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Yeah it would be the extreme and expensive option, rich mans ram:)
 

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We'd need new CPUs with several memory controllers. I don't think the added overhead would be matched by improved performance. This is one place where the term Apples and Oranges applies. It's possible, and it may be good, but would it be significantly better? Also GDDR5 chips are currently limited to 256MB so unless the density could be increased, there would be issues with the amount of ram per DIMM. I'm sure the manufacturers have thought about it ;)

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youve lost me lol, some complex stuff there for my brain xD
 

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Ddr4

by the time pc's get DDR4 memory sticks... video cards will have DDR7 lol :p
 

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Also GDDR5 chips are currently limited to 256MB so unless the density could be increased, there would be issues with the amount of ram per DIMM. I'm sure the manufacturers have thought about it ;)

Imo, they haven't thought hard enough lol.


DDR4 does sound like a nice boost to performance.
 

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Until storage speeds catch up, it won't matter what speeds RAM can reach. Even with lightning fast SSD's, they are STILL the slowest piece of hardware in a PC.
 

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Complicated, isn't it. One of the fastest ssd's the Samsung 840 pro only needs ddr2 for its cache.
 

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Because even DDR2 is faster than SSD storage
 

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Really though, once you get a nice ssd, how much faster could you go? I mean they are already incredibly fast as it is...

Not complaining just saying.
 

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