Should I buy full or upgrade version?

[Waka]

Hi,

My apologies if these question have been asked. My search skill is as poor as my bank account.

Scenario:
Suppose I have a Windows XP pro x86 on my box, and I'm buying Windows 7 retail to upgrade my system. My search tells me that I can buy the Upgrade version to upgrade. I know it's not a direct upgrade.

My XP was upgraded from Windows 2000, which was upgraded from Windows NT 4.

Questions:
What if the unthinkable happens and I need to reformat my hard drive?

Q1: Will I be able to reinstall Windows 7 using the upgrade disc? Or do I have to reinstall XP, then perform the "upgrade" again?

Q2: Will I be better off buying the full version? Can the full version be used to perform this "upgrade"?

Any comments and suggestions are highly appreciated.

thanks!

 

[QuackPot]

Get the full version if I were you.

With the full version, if anything goes wrong, just format you HDD and reinstall windows. Much easier than the first question you raised.

 

[pparks1]

Q1: My understanding today is that you would have to do the double install. From what I have read, the other OS has to be installed and "activated" to upgrade from. A lot of people believe that just having the physical media will work and they can pop it in the machine to prove ownership...but I think that is an incorrect assumption.

Q2: The retail full version is not intended to be used to "upgrade" an existing OS. I'm not sure if this means that the functionality is disabled or not though.

 

[ddeen]

Right now I would not encourage anybody to buy the Upgrade version, since Microsoft can't make up its mind 24 days before its new OS ships what qualifies for an upgrade. Get the OEM version if you won't need tech support, or the Full version if you think you might need tech support for a few months.

 

[mn9500]

from the faqs on the site to get the student discount, you can use the upgrade version to install on a clean harddrive, so it seems like the full version is pointless. maybe im missing something.

 

[Dave76]

Hi,
Scenario:
Suppose I have a Windows XP pro x86 on my box, and I'm buying Windows 7 retail to upgrade my system. My search tells me that I can buy the Upgrade version to upgrade. I know it's not a direct upgrade.

My XP was upgraded from Windows 2000, which was upgraded from Windows NT 4.

Questions:
What if the unthinkable happens and I need to reformat my hard drive?

Q1: Will I be able to reinstall Windows 7 using the upgrade disc? Or do I have to reinstall XP, then perform the "upgrade" again?

Q2: Will I be better off buying the full version? Can the full version be used to perform this "upgrade"?

Any comments and suggestions are highly appreciated.

thanks!

It's still all so confusing.
We won't know for sure until after the release on Oct 22.

From reading at the MS site it looks like you will have to re-install your previous OS and activate it before you can use the Win7 upgrade dvd. MS is saying the win7 upgrade must be installed on an activate windows OS.
We all hope this isn't true.

If you are saying you want to install Windows 7 as an upgrade install onto XP, the answer is Clean install only.

From How to Do a Clean Installation with Windows 7

Do a Clean Installation if:
• Your computer has no operating system installed, or it’s running a version of Windows prior to Windows Vista with Service Pack 1 (including Windows XP).

From How to Do a Upgrade Installation from Vista to Windows 7

A upgrade installation allows you to keep intact the files, settings, and programs from your current version ofVista SP1 or SP2. This will show you how to do a upgrade installation with a Upgrade version of Windows 7 from Vista. XP users will now be able to upgrade to Windows 7, but will have to do a clean install of Windows 7instead.

If you do use the Win7 upgrade dvd or download, I would make a backup image once you get it activated. Keep a couple copies in a safe place and you can restore the image rather than going through the double install procedure, that 'might' be required.

Hope this helps,

 

[Waka]

Thanks

Thank you all for the suggestions. So to summarize:

• No one is sure if the Upgrade version can be used to installed on a clean HDD.
• Also, Full version may not be able to used to upgrade the system. But a dual boot install is possible.

Correct? :sarc:

Regarding whether activation is required. Technet's video seems to suggest that it may be possible to upgrade unactivated XP to Windows 7 RC. Linky here. Have you noticed the activation key icon in the sys tray on the test XP system?

 

[Dave76]

Thank you all for the suggestions. So to summarize:

• No one is sure if the Upgrade version can be used to installed on a clean HDD.
• Also, Full version may not be able to used to upgrade the system. But a dual boot install is possible.

Correct? :sarc:

Regarding whether activation is required. Technet's video seems to suggest that it may be possible to upgrade unactivated XP to Windows 7 RC. Linky here. Have you noticed the activation key icon in the sys tray on the test XP system?

No one is sure if the Upgrade version can be used to installed on a clean HDD.

That's correct, no one but MS knows.

Also, Full version may not be able to used to upgrade the system. But a dual boot install is possible.

A full version of Win7 can not be used to install via upgrade-in-place on XP. You can install it as a dual boot.

Regarding whether activation is required

An interesting find. Don't assume that because MS can do it that everyone else can. Would be nice if everyone could but, wouldn't count on it.

 

[TemperingPick]

Always go for full. It may be cheaper but the first time something goes wrong and you have to reinstall you will have to spend the extra money and go buy Windows again.

 

[DreadStarX]

Hi,

My apologies if these question have been asked. My search skill is as poor as my bank account.

Scenario:
Suppose I have a Windows XP pro x86 on my box, and I'm buying Windows 7 retail to upgrade my system. My search tells me that I can buy the Upgrade version to upgrade. I know it's not a direct upgrade.

My XP was upgraded from Windows 2000, which was upgraded from Windows NT 4.

Questions:
What if the unthinkable happens and I need to reformat my hard drive?

Q1: Will I be able to reinstall Windows 7 using the upgrade disc? Or do I have to reinstall XP, then perform the "upgrade" again?

Q2: Will I be better off buying the full version? Can the full version be used to perform this "upgrade"?

Any comments and suggestions are highly appreciated.

thanks!

To be honest, I used to do this. When I had my Windows XP Home Upgrade disc, I had to install Windows 98 (I hated this).

Buy the retail, but IF I were you, I'd buy it online. I've found that most stores such as Office Depot, Staples, and other places will charge an extra 25$ - 100$ for the Disc. I would search on NewEgg for it.

Also, if you're a student, don't buy the discs yet. I'm running the Official Release discs because I'm a College Student and get access to thousands of dollars of software for free. (Yes, its the version that comes out on the 22nd of next month, yes I'm a lucky sob, lol)

 

[2Cold Scorpio]

A little insight from a thread over at Neowin: Question about Windows 7 - Neowin Forums

1. Can I use Windows 7 Upgrade version to do a clean install of the OS?

Yes, but do NOT format your old drive or anything before the install. During the clean install (which can be boot to disc or run from the existing OS), the installer will make a note that you had an existing install on any partition. This will allow you to activate via an upgrade product key.

2. I have windows vista 32bit os, can I use windows 7 upgrade version to do a clean install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

Yes, see above. Only difference is you'll have to boot to the DVD (or a thumbdrive or something) as you can't run the 64-bit installer from inside a 32-bit OS.

Not sure how accurate it is, but it is the best answer I've found so far. I also asked further questions in that thread that remain unanswered as of this post. ^_^

I guess we'll find out for sure in about 3 weeks unless Microsoft tells us beforehand...

 

[Waka]

Regarding whether activation is required

An interesting find. Don't assume that because MS can do it that everyone else can. Would be nice if everyone could but, wouldn't count on it.

Out of curiosity, I built a XP pro x86 VM, unactivated. Then I tried upgrading it using the MSDN disc (rtm build). I was able to get Windows 7 installed on this unactivated XP VM by running the setup executable in the XP environment.

I know it's MSDN, which may be different from retail discs, but I doubt that MS would go through the trouble of building two different versions of the same binary. But it's just my guess.



Thank you all for the helpful comments. It's really too bad that there are not a whole lot of info on what is possible with the Upgrade version, or the Full version.

 

[Waka]

A little insight from a thread over at Neowin: Question about Windows 7 - Neowin Forums

Not sure how accurate it is, but it is the best answer I've found so far. I also asked further questions in that thread that remain unanswered as of this post. ^_^

I guess we'll find out for sure in about 3 weeks unless Microsoft tells us beforehand...

Agreed, lots of unofficial answers. I wish that MS would release more info on the Windows 7 retail products, instead of spending $ asking people to host the awkward launch parties. Thanks for the link.

 

[Dave76]

A little insight from a thread over at Neowin: Question about Windows 7 - Neowin Forums

1. Can I use Windows 7 Upgrade version to do a clean install of the OS?

Yes, but do NOT format your old drive or anything before the install. During the clean install (which can be boot to disc or run from the existing OS), the installer will make a note that you had an existing install on any partition. This will allow you to activate via an upgrade product key.

2. I have windows vista 32bit os, can I use windows 7 upgrade version to do a clean install from 32-bit to 64-bit?

Yes, see above. Only difference is you'll have to boot to the DVD (or a thumbdrive or something) as you can't run the 64-bit installer from inside a 32-bit OS.

Not sure how accurate it is, but it is the best answer I've found so far. I also asked further questions in that thread that remain unanswered as of this post. ^_^

I guess we'll find out for sure in about 3 weeks unless Microsoft tells us beforehand...

Nice find, it's too bad MS isn't letting us in on this important detail.

 

[hrstruggle]

I still don't know the answer to the question at the top. My situation is that I have a version of Vista Home Premium UPGRADED from W2K. Can I buy the W7 upgrade or do I have to buy the full version? It would be preferable to save some money and buy the upgrade if it will work.

 

[Waka]

Brink has confirmed that you can do a clean install with the upgrade version of Windows 7.

Linky here.

 

[gregrocker]

Upgrades are working for clean installs to formatted HDD as laid out in the above tutorial link.

Once you get it installed be sure to use Win7 Backup Imaging to save an image externally so you won't ever have to do a reinstall.

And just to be sure, in case MS ever changes its mind on having the previous OS installed to Upgrade, keep your previous OS disks with your Upgrade disk.