Windows 10 upgrades reportedly appearing as mandatory for some users

[ThrashZone]

M$ is already getting the numbers they wanted via downloads
It will take time to get rest

 

[jadinolf]

This all sounds good BUT I got this on 3 of my 4 Win7 computers today

 

[ThrashZone]

Yep not sure if you can count a upload to a machine most of which is unaware of it happening as a download

Show all available updates link and Hide win-10's.

 

[jamis]

At boot up this morning, my PC received notice that there were 8 important updates to be downloaded and installed. None were W10 that I could see and a check of the machine's update settings remained unchanged (notify me of the updates, but let me choose which to download and install). Again, I have all known W10 upgrade prep updates hidden.

 

[lehnerus2000]

I know it's hard to believe that most users of computers don't read this forum or forums like this one. They really don't know what is going on and I believe they don't want to know.

They use auto Updates for everything. The system accepts every update of everything and they are happy campers until now.

Auto Updates and lack of knowledge of the user is exactly what Microsoft is depending on to push W-10.

Don't forget that for years "experts" have been telling ordinary users to set Windows Update to "Automatic".

 

[Layback Bear]

You are correct lehnerus2000.

Auto Updates have been recommended for years by many.
I have been preaching Manual Updates for years but I'm no expert.

In my opinion it's more important today to do manual updates than it's ever been. With all the games Microsoft is playing with Updates.
It doesn't take long to do the Manual Updates if one keep up with them.

I check for Windows 7 Updates a couple times a day and all my security programs are checked for updates 3 to 4 times a day. Firefox and Flash Player are checked once a day. Programs I use seldom are check for updates when I open them.

Believe me it's not hard to do and if you keep up on the updates it doesn't take long.
I'm just a no diploma low life home user and I can do it.
Some how people just have to get off their duff and take charge of their computers.
Microsoft would hate to see that happen. In my opinion most users are to damn lazy to do it.
I and Microsoft know that people are not going to take charge of their own computer and they will keep getting a bunch of junk and come complaining.

 

[pokeefe0001]

This all sounds good BUT I got this on 3 of my 4 Win7 computers today

I'm sure you can get more technically savvy information from others, but my suggestion is pick the restore point created before installation of KB3035583 and do a restore. You will then (hopefully) have your regular Windows Update with a list of fixes (which includes KB3035583). Hide KB3035583, or at least deselect it. (Just to be careful, I also deselected KB2952664 because it seemed to be related to the Win10 stuff.) Then reapply the maintenance.

From other posts on this thread, it sounds like a reissue of a fix unhides it so it would be wise to make sure KB3035583 is unselected every time you apply maintenance.

 

[jadinolf]

I have found myself in the position of not being able to install any W7 updates at all. Currently 19 important and 6 optionals. When I say install, it reverts back to showing me the updates again. I want to hold off the change to W10 for another 6 months. I already have 1 computer on 10240 RTM and one on the current insider edition.

QUESTION: How can I get my W7 machine to install updates again?? Several others have reported the same issue.? Tx

On my W8.1 machine, I have this in the restore section of win updates

I NEVER saw those Windows 10 optional updates.

MS just tries to sneak them in.

You are very lucky.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

...I'm just a no diploma low life home user and I can do it.
Some how people just have to get off their duff and take charge of their computers.
Microsoft would hate to see that happen. In my opinion most users are to damn lazy to do it...

A diploma is just a piece of paper or parchment. Having one is no guarantee of a person's intelligence or ability same as not having one doesn't mean one isn't intelligent or capable of doing things. You're three brain cells are far brighter than you give yourself credit for (my three brain cells, on the other hand... ).

I don't feel the majority of people's reluctance to take charge of their computers stems so much from laziness as much as from intimidation. Not everything comes easily for everyone. Same as math, for example, comes easily for many people (including me), computers are not easily understood by most people. They can learn to use software, such as word processors, spread sheets, etc. but maintaining them is beyond their ken (heck, it's been a struggle for me). Those people need for the computers to take care of those tasks for them. What's tragic is Nutella and his ilk are abusing the trust of the people who need to have their computers taken care of for them.

 

[thelma]

And it comes simply from not knowing.

I don't think I am lazy or ignorant, but ( as a general computer user ( not a Geek ) you simply don't know what is al happening in the background.

As long as the computer works well and preforms all the tasks you are using it for you don't go into the nitty gritty. When something goes wrong and you end up on a forum like this, your eyes open, at least mine did, and you find out what a world of interesting things there are to know about computers and there hardware and software.

In general people have there updates on automatic, I had !

But now whit this Windows 10 being forced on the computer user who is not showing any interest in upgrading, they shoot themselves in the foot big style !

I bet that many people hearing this news finally out in the open are looking up "Windows update" on there computers and trying to change the settings into " Let me choose ..... "

 

[Urthboundmisfit]

I can tell you I had the registry set to NOT Upgrade...

I would be interested to know what registry setting(s) you have set.

Here you go UNI:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

Source: MS KB3080351 How to manage Windows 10 notification and upgrade options

HTH

 

[lehnerus2000]

I don't feel the majority of people's reluctance to take charge of their computers stems so much from laziness as much as from intimidation.

Also earlier operating systems (pre-XP) were very fragile ("Bit Rot", Viruses, etc.).

When I was working as a trainer, I noticed that many people were scared to do anything in case they broke the machine.

When I first started playing around with DOS (early '80s) I opened something called "Edlin.exe" and although I'm sure I didn't execute any commands, I somehow managed to break a floppy full of software.

 

[thelma]

KB 3035583 is getting into a bit of a hide and seek !


I had 6 in hidden updates all in a row, then 3 disapeared, now I have 2 waiting to collect dust

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

I don't feel the majority of people's reluctance to take charge of their computers stems so much from laziness as much as from intimidation.

Also earlier operating systems (pre-XP) were very fragile ("Bit Rot", Viruses, etc.).

When I was working as a trainer, I noticed that many people were scared to do anything in case they broke the machine.

When I first started playing around with DOS (early '80s) I opened something called "Edlin.exe" and although I'm sure I didn't execute any commands, I somehow managed to break a floppy full of software.

Heck, I'm still afraid I'm going to break something. That's why I make an image before running updates, installing programs, fooling with settings, blowing my nose, etc. It's saved my ample asset many a time.

 

[Indianatone]

I can tell you I had the registry set to NOT Upgrade...

I would be interested to know what registry setting(s) you have set.

Brink's settings here, actually both of them.....

Code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; Created by: Shawn Brink
; Windows 10 Forums
; Tutorial: Get Windows 10 Icon - Remove from Taskbar in Windows 7 and 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]
"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001


Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; Created by: Shawn Brink
; Windows 10 Forums
; Tutorial: Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

It seems they were bypassed and the fact that the previously removed updates were forcibly installed.

So Linux Mint on laptop. Found tutorial on line on "10 things to do once you have installed Mint". Installed Linux Version of Workstation 11 and now copying several Windows VM's over to play with. I have begun my migration away from Microsoft.

 

[UsernameIssues]

I can tell you I had the registry set to NOT Upgrade...

I would be interested to know what registry setting(s) you have set.

Brink's settings here, actually both of them.....

Code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; Created by: Shawn Brink
; Windows 10 Forums
; Tutorial: Get Windows 10 Icon - Remove from Taskbar in Windows 7 and 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]
"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001


Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; Created by: Shawn Brink
; Windows 10 Forums
; Tutorial: Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

It seems they were bypassed and the fact that the previously removed updates were forcibly installed.

So Linux Mint on laptop. Found tutorial on line on "10 things to do once you have installed Mint". Installed Linux Version of Workstation 11 and now copying several Windows VM's over to play with. I have begun my migration away from Microsoft.

Thanks for taking the time to provide that detail. I oversee way too many computers to manually deal with updates. The settings below and Windows Update (WU) set to Auto has installed some (all?) of the W10 updates, but not offered the user W10 via the notification area or via WU.

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]
"DisableGWX"=dword:00000001

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade]
"AllowOSUpgrade"=dword:00000000
"ReservationsAllowed"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

I did notice the brief time that MS offered W10 as an optional update that had a check by it, but optional updates are not set to auto-install.

I have kept my eye on other operating systems for years, but none of them will work for the organizations that I support. My home users can probably make the switch... but many of them will stay with W7.

 

[thelordgiveth]

I have not requested the Windows 10 upgrade. I mind a bit that it has been downloaded into a folder WINDOWS.~BT without my knowledge or asking for it. But I mind a lot that it tried to upgrade itself early on the morning of the 19th without my doing anything to initiate it. Fortunately it failed with error code C1900208. From what I have seen elsewhere this is associated with having antivirus software running, so thank goodness for AVG Free! Leaving aside the dubious tactics of disguising it as an ordinary update, the logic seems twisted as nobody is likely to switch off their AVS to get an upgrade through unless they explicitly want that upgrade.

Now I am worried about other household computers. They all have some form of AVS but it might not stop this seemingly forced upgrade. From memory they are set to Automatic Updates rather than (as on this main computer) Download and Notify, because the users are (even) less techy-savvy than I am.

I've also renamed WINDOWS.~BT but I have no idea whether this would prevent a reoccurrence or simply result in the download being replicated. Seemed worth a try though.

There is some talk that some incompetent at Microsoft accidentally ticked the wrong box, that this was forcing upgrades and that this has now been corrected. In which case immediate problem over

Why don't I just roll with it and take the upgrade? Because I am not happy that my software and hardware will all function after upgrade. Microsoft's own tool says everything is fine but the Epson website says that my all-in-one will be fine as a printer but may not function as a scanner any more. So I do not trust the Microsoft tool. Also, forcibly uninstalling Windows Media Center is an act of vandalism to which I object.

 

[jamis]

thelordgiveth: I find it interesting that you have this folder on your system. I don't, but I have all of the W10 prep updates hidden and they always have been. Are you sure you don't have one, or more of them installed on your system?

http://www.sevenforums.com/news/371537-how-remove-get-windows-10-app-your-pc.html

 

[thelordgiveth]

Jamis - Thanks for your reply. I have the "Get Windows 10" icon on the RHS of the taskbar, if that is what you mean. If I click on it I have the option to "upgrade now" or close it, which is what I do. Similarly if the nag screen comes up. I didn't see a problem with having the application that gave access to Windows 10 on the computer, as I thought that should not by itself download or attempt to install. I could get rid of it (assuming it won't then come back all by itself) to avoid any risk of inadvertent initiation. Presumably I can get it back if I want it just before the 12 months' free upgrade runs out.

The $WINDOWS~BT folder appears to have been created on my computer on 10th September, though only three sub-directories (boot, efi and support) carry that date. Sub-directory sources was created on 10/9 but modified on 19/10. The other sub-directories have identical dates of creation and modification - late on the 18th or early on the 19th October. It is now titled (almost) $WINDOWS10 cr#pware Windows~BT, which is much more informative but I'm not sure whether renaming the folder would actually stop any inadvertent installation from getting very far.

 

[UsernameIssues]

I can tell you I had the registry set to NOT Upgrade...

I would be interested to know what registry setting(s) you have set.

Here you go UNI:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

Source: MS KB3080351 How to manage Windows 10 notification and upgrade options

HTH

Thanks. I was looking for W7 users who set the registry not to update and then W7 updated anyway.

I am using some redundant settings:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]
"DisableGWX"=dword:00000001

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001
"AllowOSUpgrade"=dword:00000000
"ReservationsAllowed"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001