Windows 7 can't run with memory chips which Memtest86+ finds flawless

[robilong]

Is there any explanation, why Memtest86+ can't find memory problems, while Windows fails with same configuration?
Perhaps some address areas can't be controlled, because these are reserved by system BIOS?

New PC after clean installation of Windows 7 Pro SP1 from original OEM CD.

Windows update fail with error Code 80244019 (Windows could not search for updates
An error occurred while checking for new updates.) Occasionally also other errors.

I also used different hard drives SSD's but no difference.

I run Memtest86+ overnight but no errors.
I repeated W7 clean install many times experimenting with different fixes but none worked.
Update still failed and there were also occasional BSOD's when running W7 without updates.

Finally I obtained 2 Kingston DDR4 sticks for testing and all problems where gone.
I was not very surprised actually because all efforts done so far indicated to hardware malfunction.
I did several new installs for testing but problem definitely was solved with new DIMMs.
Afterwards again test with this previous memory and problem came back...

My conclusion is that Windows 7 can't run with memory chips which Memtest86+ finds flawless.

Any explanations?


Hardware:
Crucial 8GB PC17000 DDR4 KIT2 CT2K4G4DFS8213
Intel I5 3200/6M S1151 BX 6500
Gigabyte B150 S1151 MATX GA-B150M-D3H

 

[torchwood]

Enterprise

Are you still running of the server from your 2013 post, (KMS Activation)??

If so you need their authority and server details to get updates.

Please follow the instructions in this link
http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-...ne-activation-issue-posting-instructions.html.

Roy

 

[robilong]

Are you still running of the server from your 2013 post, (KMS Activation)??
Roy

This PC is retired and instead KMS activation this old PC used serial key.

Now it's a brand new PC first Windows Pro 7 SP1 OEM installation (Due to problem 15 perhaps already .
Different installation (official original) media tested. No activation.
Usually there isn't a problem to download updates before activation.

And so is the case when I change memory chips from Crucial to Kingston.
(same size, same speed, same slots).

But question remains, how can memory pass memtest86+ if windows fails?
Easy explanation would be if there are some reserved areas not accessible for memory tests?
Some irregular read/write operation sequence, not tested by Memetest86+?

 

[Layback Bear]

I recommend completing torchwood request in his post #2


Windows Genuine and Activation Issue Posting Instructions.

 

[robilong]

I recommend completing torchwood request in his post #2


Windows Genuine and Activation Issue Posting Instructions.

Thanks for your time but I replied to honored torchwood, that I'm not running any KMS activation op system.
Could you please indicate what specifically I should check from "windows-genuine-activation" site?

In order to reply, please quote OP, else it's difficult to understand.

W7 Pro SP1 gets updates normally prior to activation and it should be understandable that throwing single use OEM W7 Pro activation code into not working computer configuration is stupid. Do you agree?

If I'm wrong, please enlighten me, what did I have missed.
Thanks.

PS. Besides now, I excavated out this 2013 thread where someone (torchwood?) has mentioned KMS activation. Whoever posted it there, it was irrelevant posting, nothing to do with this 2013 actual thread discussion. And besides computer under question didn't used KMS but serial.

 

[AddRAM]

What do failed updates have to do with memory ? Obviously the Crucial sticks are garbage, just chuck em

1) Does your memory work or not ?

type this in the run box, let it run. mdsched.exe

After it runs you`ll get a popup in the bottom right hand corner telling you if there were any memory problems.

Let us know what the results are.

 

[robilong]

What do failed updates have to do with memory ? Obviously the Crucial sticks are garbage, just chuck em

type this in the run box, let it run. mdsched.exe
Let us know what the results are.

Really a good point - your advice makes sense.

Entering mdsched.exe to command line results in error:
"Check your computer for memory problems - Restart now and check for problems"
(checked more then 1 time)

That's it.
Now we already have a clear fact.
Windows 7 memory diagnostic claims memory has problems and Memtest86+ overnight tests confirm we are going fine - except that Windows 7 can't run on this system.
Whom to blame, Windows or Memtest?

PS. Windows 7 is still capable to run without updating for some (unknown) time.

 

[Layback Bear]

It's not complicated.

Just read torchwood post #2 and complete as requested the hyperlink.

http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-...ne-activation-issue-posting-instructions.html

Post the log here in this thread.

 

[Layback Bear]

Are you still running of the server from your 2013 post, (KMS Activation)??

If so you need their authority and server details to get updates.

Please follow the instructions in this link
http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-...ne-activation-issue-posting-instructions.html.

Roy

If my #8 above post is to difficult. Here is torchwood post #2

If for what ever reason you don't want to post the log, just say so.

 

[robilong]

Hello

I quite don't understand, what is common between threads "Windows Genuine and Activation Issue Posting Instructions." and "Windows 7 can't run with memory chips which Memtest86+ finds flawless"?

I consider this phenomena rather exiting and certainly I'm ready to post any logs and info which seems reasonable if there is someone capable of interpreting this.

If you are not just trolling, I'd appreciate very much some enlightening words, where is the glue in activation thread?

 

[UsernameIssues]

What do failed updates have to do with memory ? Obviously the Crucial sticks are garbage, just chuck em

type this in the run box, let it run. mdsched.exe
Let us know what the results are.

Really a good point - your advice makes sense.

Entering mdsched.exe to command line results in error:
"Check your computer for memory problems - Restart now and check for problems"
(checked more then 1 time)

That's it.
Now we already have a clear fact.
Windows 7 memory diagnostic claims memory has problems and Memtest86+ overnight tests confirm we are going fine - except that Windows 7 can't run on this system.
Whom to blame, Windows or Memtest?

PS. Windows 7 is still capable to run without updating for some (unknown) time.

Nothing that you posted indicates that the Windows 7 memory diagnostics claims that the memory has problems... and there was no need (but no harm) in starting that diag tool from the command prompt.

Please help me out here: Where did you get the impression that Windows thinks that there is a problem with your RAM? As mentioned in post #6: "What do failed updates have to do with memory?"

 

[AddRAM]

Doesn`t really matter how you run it.

But what were the results of the test ?

What error is it giving you after windows restarts ?

I thought everything was fine with the Kingston set ?

I`m lost too

 

[UsernameIssues]

I think that the OP interpreted the offer to...
"Check your computer for memory problems"
...as an declaration that problems had already been found.

I do not think that the OP ever ran the test...
...probably just canceled the dialog box and made the post.
:-(

 

[robilong]

I think that the OP interpreted the offer to...
"Check your computer for memory problems"
...as an declaration that problems had already been found.

I do not think that the OP ever ran the test...
...probably just canceled the dialog box and made the post.
:-(

There was no errors in Event viewer MemoryDiagnostics after restart.

What makes me think that there is memory problem is that I did 7-8 clean installs of W7 SP1 OEM with Crucial memory and always Windows upadate failed with error Code 80244019 (Windows could not search for updates. An error occurred while checking for new updates.)
Googled a lot in meantime trying to figure out reason and tried a lot of fixes which didn't work.
So I had a new PC which doesn't run Windows 7 and according to Memetest86+ without memory errors.
Despite of having tested memory several times (more the 8 passes) without any flaws found I finally still decided to obtain Kingston for fun. (because update error Code 80244019 often is hardware failure.)
To my surprise problem vanished with Kingston and to be sure I did 3-4 clean installs to m2s, SSD, HDD SATA - no problem. PC is in best possible condition.
I swapped back Crucial memory and did 3-4 fresh W7 installs for testing and again always there was a problem with updates.

So it's just likelyhood by success failure rates in numbers using different memories.
Crucial always failed and Kingston was fine during updates (and also later for several days until decided to start testing Crucial again for curiosity. Total number of tests 15 perhaps.

Any ideas what is the problem if not memory and how to troubleshoot if Memtest86+ doesn't help?

 

[UsernameIssues]

Thanks for taking the time to restate the issue. My apologies for not understanding earlier. All of the info is there in the OP - I just was not understanding it.


I wonder what Crucial would say about your findings. Don't they have a lifetime warranty?

 

[robilong]

Well I imagine 1. there might be some (few) mem addresses, which are reserved by BIOS and any Memtest can't access these.
2. Something special how Windows handles DDR4 memory reads and writes, which perhaps is not supported by Memtest86+.
There are perhaps also other scenarios which I hope someone with more knowledge can figure out.

But still there remains a unanswered question, how accurate is Memtest86+?
Perhaps DDR4 is out of scope?

Memory is under warranty but if RMA tests memory using Memtest86+ it is not considered faulty

 

[UsernameIssues]

Let us know if you talk to Crucial about this. It would be nice to know what they consider a definitive test.