Seagate slapped with class action lawsuit over hard drive failure rate

I always though windows accessed drives more than a user most the time :o
 

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How did they fix the issue on newer drives? 8 seconds is still 8 seconds after all. You'll still get an excessively high load cycle count compared to a "normal" drive, unless the drive is hardly ever in use. Didn't the older drives stay parked until you accessed them anyway?
The freenas forum still has reports of excessively high counts even on the more recently manufactured greens. Or did they make them more reliable somehow?
Can't say I've ever actually used any Greens though as the intellipark feature never appealed to me. I've always stuck to Blues and Blacks. Usually the Blues are my go to drive though as they're a decent performing drive for the price.
Pity they won't make the larger storage Blues (2 - 6TB) run at 7,200 rpm. Larger & faster Blues would be a welcome addition.
Agree that 5,400 just isn't good enough for an OS drive.

The first Greens had a bug that caused the heads to repeatedly park and unpark, even when the drive wasn't being accessed; that was what caused them to fail prematurely. Frankly, I felt the author of first article you linked didn't know what he was talking about.

The Greens were never intended to be used for anything other than light duty storage. They are like an inexpensive economy car; to get the energy savings, you have to sacrifice performance and some durability. An economy car is fine for a daily, short distance commuter and as a grocery getter but try to use it for frequent or long distance operation, such as taxi cab, delivery vehicle, or daily, long distance commutes, you will wear it out quickly. The same is true of Greens; they are an economy drive intended for light duty usage, such as low duty cycle storage in computers that run only a few hours a day. Power users, such as myself or businesses, should never use the Greens for anything other than backups. Unfortunately, many users, and even manufacturers, try to cut corners (or, to put more harshly, albeit accurately, cheap out) and use the Greens where they never should have been used, such as in RAIDs or as an OS drive, which helped contribute to the undeserved, continuing bad reputation they still have.

The new WD Purples, which were intended solely for surveillance use, have a similar problem. Many people have tried to use them in their computers for normal storage, and even RAIDs, then complained about data corruption. Drives used for surveillance recording receive a continuous data feed. Most drives, if a glitch occurs, will attempt to rewrite the glitched data. If a drive being used to record a surveillance feed were to do that, there would be occasional dropouts in the video because of the time wasted in error correction. To avoid that problem, the Purples were designed with no error correction. This may result in occasional artifacts in the recorded video but, at least, what is recorded is continuous without any skips or gaps. However, when used to save files, an uncorrected error will result in data loss.

I run my computer 24/7 with multiple processes going on from time to time that give its HDDs a pretty fair workout. I could run Greens in it and would probably be ok but I would be pushing my luck and they wouldn't last as long as a better drive, so I chose instead to use the better, more appropriate WD Blacks. There is a reason why the Blacks have a five year warranty and the Greens have only a two year warranty.

I currently have 12 WD Greens in service that I use for backup drives. Of the two I have that failed, one was an early Green that both had the excessive head parking issue and had been installed in my old XP machine as an OS drive by a reputable computer repair chain (not GweekSquad) that should have known better (that was one of the reasons I decided I better learn more about computers). The other was one that was approaching the end of its warranty period and had started to throw reallocation errors. None of them (including the one that had to be replaced under warranty) are (were) anywhere remotely close to exceeding their rated Load/Unload Cycle Count limit.

5400 rpm HDDs work fine for an OS drive; they are just slower. Many netbooks, notebooks, and laptops came with them to inexpensively reduce power consumption, thus increasing battery life. What make the Greens inappropriate for an OS drive is not their speed, but the head parking feature. An OS drive is accessed far more frequently than most storage drives so, a HDD that parks its heads when inactive will be far more frequently unparking/reparking the heads than a drive that is just used for storage only, shortening its life dramatically.
 

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Intel i7-3930K
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Asus Xonar Essence STX
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I always though windows accessed drives more than a user most the time :o

That is true on an OS drive. On a storage drive, not nearly as much.
 

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Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
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Intel i7-3930K
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ASUS P9X79 WS
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MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR
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Asus Xonar Essence STX
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Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (1),
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I have to wonder if during all that flooding they had, that shut down the factories, they didn't ditch the ones that took water damage, just refurbished them & passed them on as new. It would have taken a big chunk of their profits if they would have to throw away a lot of damaged drives.

All the drives that came out after the floods had high failure rates. I read reports that some factories supposedly had workers building drives while standing in water.

The high failure rate was only for the 3TB models. I own a mix of 1.5, 2 and 5TB Seagate drives and haven't had any issues with them. I haven't found them to be any less or any more reliable than the WD drives I have.

My first hdd was a Seagate. A 20MB ST-225. Cost me $500 in 1985.

I read on another forum a post that said the poster had read that 3TB drives were actually 4TB drives that failed inspection due to too many bad sectors and were rerated. If true (keep in mind this is third hand information), that could explain why the 3TB drives in all brands get poorer reviews than the other sizes. It makes me wonder about the 5TB drives although I haven't observed a trend in poorer reviews for them.
 

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Custom Build
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Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
CPU
Intel i7-3930K
Motherboard
ASUS P9X79 WS
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Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR
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MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR
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Asus Xonar Essence STX
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3x Asus VG248QE 24", Vizio 32" TV
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080, ?
Hard Drives
Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (1),
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (4)
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (16) external backup drives used in 2.5" hot swap bays in the computer.
PSU
Corsair HX750w
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Antec Two Hundred v2 (modified)
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Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm)
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Logitech G510s
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Logitech M525 (two in use)
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I personally try to stay away for these so called Green (save energy) hardware.
If one had 10 of these Green drives installed, the energy you would save couldn't buy a Happy Meal. At the very top of my list when it comes to any computer hardware is reliability.
Whether or not it saves a $1.00 a year on energy is no concern to me. Turning off a light not needed will save more than that. Look around your house at night and see how many lights are on in rooms no one is in.
 

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Intel i7-6800K @ 4.3
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I personally try to stay away for these so called Green (save energy) hardware.
If one had 10 of these Green drives installed, the energy you would save couldn't buy a Happy Meal. At the very top of my list when it comes to any computer hardware is reliability.
Whether or not it saves a $1.00 a year on energy is no concern to me. Turning off a light not needed will save more than that. Look around your house at night and see how many lights are on in rooms no one is in.

I totally agree. I prefer reliability over meager energy savings. The reason I use the Greens for my backup drives is they get extremely light usage and cost considerably less than the Blacks, which would be way overkill for backups.

If I were to buy all the backup drives I have now at today's prices, WD Blacks would cost me $1880.88 whereas WD Blues (which have replaced the Greens) would cost me $1679.88, a difference of $201. At the times I bought my drives, the price difference was even greater.
 

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Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
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Intel i7-3930K
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Asus Xonar Essence STX
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3x Asus VG248QE 24", Vizio 32" TV
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1920 x 1080, ?
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Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (1),
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (4)
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (16) external backup drives used in 2.5" hot swap bays in the computer.
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Corsair HX750w
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Antec Two Hundred v2 (modified)
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Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm)
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Logitech G510s
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Logitech M525 (two in use)
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AVAST!, MBAM, SAS, Spybot S&D (all but MBAM free) Glary Util
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IE11
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I personally try to stay away for these so called Green (save energy) hardware.
If one had 10 of these Green drives installed, the energy you would save couldn't buy a Happy Meal. At the very top of my list when it comes to any computer hardware is reliability.
Whether or not it saves a $1.00 a year on energy is no concern to me. Turning off a light not needed will save more than that. Look around your house at night and see how many lights are on in rooms no one is in.

That's exactly the same reason I haven't bought one. Minimal energy saving benefit.

And Lady F, I know what you mean about manufacturers cheaping out. Friend of mine bought a PC from one of these custom build online shops (I could have built it for him at a fraction of the cost, but that's the route he chose to go). He paid extra for a "performance" drive and was pretty pee'd off to find it had a Green drive installed. He expected a Black for the price he paid.
 

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Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD (x2)
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Phanteks Enthoo Pro
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Akasa FC.Six Manual Fan Controller
And a Partridge in a Pear Tree!
Shame on them for using consumer hard drives and pawning that off as a cloud solution.
You buy cheap, you get cheap.

Remind me not to use Backblaze as a cloud provider.
 

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Dell
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i7-7700K
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16 GB 2400 MHz
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GTX 1060
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Integrated, plus external Presonus Audiobox USB
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2x AOC 27"
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1920x1080
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512 GB M.2 SSD
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110 Mbps
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Firefox
The WD Green HDDs are inexpensive.
The power saving isn't really much of a selling point.

The parking timer could be disabled completely in the older Green HDDs (I have 2 of those).
I have my newer Green HDDs set to 5 minutes and I run KeepAliveHD to keep them spinning.
 

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ASUS M4A88T-M/USB3 (AM3)
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12GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill (4GB x 2), G-Skill (2GB x 2)
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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660
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Realtek?
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Samsung S23B350
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WD Green 2TB (SATA), WD Green 3TB (SATA), WD Blue 4TB (SATA), WD Blue 6TB (SATA)
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Cooler Master
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Antec GX300 Tower
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3x Antec TRICOOL 120mm Fans
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Wired Optical
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DSL
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2015-08-15 Upgraded motherboard & RAM
2015-07-15 Upgraded LM17.1 to LM17.2
All the drives that came out after the floods had high failure rates. I read reports that some factories supposedly had workers building drives while standing in water.

Now why does that not surprise me. :rolleyes:
 

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Dell Hell oh Well
OS
Win 7 32 Home Premium, Win 7 64 Pro, Win 8.1, Win 10
CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.93GHz
Memory
Not much with my ADHD
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ATI Radeon HD 4350
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24" HDTV/Monitor
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Blurry after a Scotch or 2
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1 HDD 250 GB, 1 HDD 1 TB, 3 - 1 TB Externals
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Don't get on my case...man :D
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I have an Air Conditioner & Diet Pepsi
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Saitek Cyborg
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10 yr old MS optical mouse that still works
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Never fast enough
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Various
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Various
Shame on them for using consumer hard drives and pawning that off as a cloud solution.
You buy cheap, you get cheap.

Remind me not to use Backblaze as a cloud provider.

Backblaze's business plan—using cheap HDDs and replacing them frequently instead of more expensive HDDs and replacing them less frequently—may seem counterintuitive, if not downright wacky, but it is working for them. If set up properly in nested arrays (and maybe even georedundancy) with sufficient hot spares to keep up with the higher failure rates, data stored in a server using pure garbage drive caqn be kept safe. If Backblaze's business model wasn't working and people lost data, they would have gone out of business a long time ago.
 

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Custom Build
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Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
CPU
Intel i7-3930K
Motherboard
ASUS P9X79 WS
Memory
Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR
Graphics Card(s)
MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR
Sound Card
Asus Xonar Essence STX
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3x Asus VG248QE 24", Vizio 32" TV
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080, ?
Hard Drives
Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (1),
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (4)
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (16) external backup drives used in 2.5" hot swap bays in the computer.
PSU
Corsair HX750w
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Antec Two Hundred v2 (modified)
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Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm)
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Logitech G510s
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Logitech M525 (two in use)
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=< 32Mbps down, 8Mbps up
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AVAST!, MBAM, SAS, Spybot S&D (all but MBAM free) Glary Util
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IE11
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LSI 9211-8i HBA card (8 SATA III ports), 2.5" & 3.5" Hot Swap Bays, HooToo HT-CR001 PCI-E to USB 3.0 Internal Hub + 6 Slot Card Reader, and LG Model CH12LS28 BD-ROM Optical Drive. Also, ScanSnap S1500 ADF duplexing scanner, Canon 9000F flat bed scanner, Corsair SP2500 2.1 speakers, Samsung CLP 415nw laser color printer, Cyberpower PP2200SW UPS
Must mean the server grade isn't any or much better :)
 

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PC/Desktop
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Custom assembled by me :}
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Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
CPU
i7-5930K 2nd i9-9940x both water blocked VRM's too
Motherboard
ASUS SABERTOOTH X99 2nd ASUS x299 Apex
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Trident-z 3200C14 2nd Trident-z 3600C16
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EVGA 1080ti ftw3 2nd Titan Xp both water blocked
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Built-in Realtek
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1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24" 144Hz
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1920 x 1080 144Hz
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2-Samsung M.2 Evo & Evo Plus
2-Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD's/ 3-2.5 W.D. Black 1tb-&3-1tb/3-3.5 WD Black 1tb hdd's
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EVGA SuperNOVA 1000-P2 2nd 1200-P2
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2-Corsair Obsidian Series 450D Black ATX Mid Tower
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Custom water loops
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Logitech G710+/ 2nd Logitech G910
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2-RedDragon M901 Perdition 16400 dpi Gaming mouse = wired
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Comcast Ping 19ms 89.31mbps download speed 6.12mbps upload
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Malwarebytes Pro/ Superantispyware Pro
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FireFox & Pale moon
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2nd ASUS X299 Apex/Intel i9-9940x with Custom water loop/7H-Prem-x64/Corsair 450D case/Ram Trident-z 3600C16 4x8gb / Samsung970Evo plus 500gb SSD/Dual ssd EZ swap evo/PSU EVGA SuperNova 1200w-P2 80+Platinum/GPU Titan Xp /8-ML-140 on push-pull on 2-280GTX rads

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Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
CPU
Intel i7-3930K
Motherboard
ASUS P9X79 WS
Memory
Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR
Graphics Card(s)
MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR
Sound Card
Asus Xonar Essence STX
Monitor(s) Displays
3x Asus VG248QE 24", Vizio 32" TV
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080, ?
Hard Drives
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If you use wdidle3 to set the hard parking to 300 seconds (5 minutes) the drives will last a lot longer.
http://m.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/28/wds_spectrum_shift_as_green_becomes_blue/
The only direct WD link I have for wdidle3 is this
http://supportdownloads.wdc.com/downloads.aspx?p=113
My 2TB Greens are WD20EZRX. These aren't on the list and WD suggest the firmware change could damage the drive. I tried another WD utility in the past (not firmware change & I can't remember the name of the software) for changing parking times but it apparently worked on all other WD drives except Greens.
 

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Mjf, have a look at the link I posted earlier to freenas, you'll see that most people have used the wdidle3 utility to change the head Park time on Green drives with no ill effects.
Haven't seen any reports of it bricking any drives.
I wasn't aware there was any other way of doing it.
 

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hdparm

Mjf, have a look at the link I posted earlier to freenas, you'll see that most people have used the wdidle3 utility to change the head Park time on Green drives with no ill effects.
Haven't seen any reports of it bricking any drives.
I wasn't aware there was any other way of doing it.
You can change the timer settings using hdparm in Linux (Terminal) .
My friend used that method on his Arch Linux PC.

I've used wdidle3 on all of my WD Green HDDs (including my new 30EZRX, last December).

Make sure that you only have one HDD connected when you use wdidle3.
It is a bit twitchy.
It failed the first time I tried on my latest HDD, but the second time worked correctly.
 

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Thanks for that Lehnerus, I wasn't aware of that utility. :thumbsup:
Yeah, I've seen a couple of reports of people keeping more than one WD drive connected when they used wdidle3 and it changed the timer on all the connected drives. :doh:
 

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Mjf, have a look at the link I posted earlier to freenas, you'll see that most people have used the wdidle3 utility to change the head Park time on Green drives with no ill effects.
If I didn't have system images and other important data on these drives I'd give it ago. At the moment I'll let them do their head parking since they are on line only for backups. I must admit a default 8 sec head park is a bit aggressive. A 5 minute default would have been more sensible IMO.
 

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My apologies, I should have clarified that my three "Greens" were Seagate model ST2000DL003-9VT166,
purchased at the same time in 2012. They are 5900rpm spindle speed, which is where I thought the lower
running temp came in and the lower electricity use but the one that went belly up I was not just storing .avi - .mkv files on it but playing them directly in VLC and KMPlayer. Ditto for the 'movie' drive which is still healthy but as it is connected to a PCI controller card, needs a second or so to 'wake up' in explorer or for playback.
The WD, 4TB, which is the 'new' TV drive is model number WD40EZRX-00SPEB0 5400rpm, purchased at the same B&M in September 2015.
Now in the past, building PVRs, since the capture card I use was originally designed to be used in older computers [to keep them out of landfill] as owners upgraded [/w a hardware MPEG2 decoder built in] the speed of old drives didn't matter to the MDP-130s, as one poster stated, in the 'old' days the spindle speed of HDDs were 5400-5900. Back over at the card's user group consensus was that a slower drive was more preferred rather than spend the money for 7200-10000rpm or faster drives as the playback speeds [relative] were slower to begin with.

Now I'm wondering if I should just use these drives for storage and not real-time playback.
I was unaware of utilities that could alter the head parking behaviour of such drives, need to take a day
now to do some research.

{and now while I was typing, another post came in.}
 

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The WD Green HDDs are inexpensive.

Well, that was the attraction for me as well, both brands, every where I went, even newegg.ca..........
7200rpms were a little to a lot higher than the lower speed drives.

Lady F:

Since 2010 though I've been using SSDs as boot drives, since I picked up a bunch of 30gig Kingstons back then, but now a 120gig sells for the same price, even use them in XP PVRs eventhough XP
has no native support, mainly for the low temperatures, like no hotter than 80-84F.
Plus an nLited XP is only 1.5-3gigs in size and tailored for PVR [re]booting, real fast in case of power failures, or glitches.
The Kingstons still use wear averaging internally and don't seem to care what OS is in them, so will last for years, the on-board controller is the trick, but they're not available anymore.

This machine has an ADATA 60gig to boot Win7.
 
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