Windows 7 End of Support

I suspect that by 2023, a lot of local OS functions will have been transferred to the Cloud, specifically to prevent users from controlling their own PCs. :mad:

I also suspect that M$ is heading somewhere that will at the very least be controversial. If it isn't everything in the cloud or selling our stats, it could be renting the OS and/or showing ads everywhere. It could be something even worse than that. They have to have a plan for making up that lost revenue from giving it away for a year. They have something up their sleeve and it'll not be pretty but those on 10 with their forced upgrades will have no choice but to deal with it. The average end user isn't going to care to put linux on their computer and it is already next to impossible to have 7 or 8.1 on new computers thanks to a secret agreement between m$ and Intel.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 7 pro/Windows 10 ProIntel i7 860 Quad core 2.8 ghz8 gbATI Radeon HD 5770 1 gb ram
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    HP Pavillion Elite HPE-250f
    OS
    Windows 7 pro/Windows 10 Pro
    CPU
    Intel i7 860 Quad core 2.8 ghz
    Memory
    8 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 5770 1 gb ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Alienware 25 AW2521HF & Viewsonic
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x1080 & 1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    WD blue 1 tb & 500 gb.
    Browser
    FF of course.
    Other Info
    https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-pavilion-elite-desktop-intel-core-i7-processor-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive/9921493.p?skuId=9921493
  • At a glance

    Windows 2012 R2 Data center/Linux Minti3 9100 3.6GHz, 8M cache, 4C/4T8GB 2666MT/s DDR4 ECC UDIMM
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Dell Poweredge T140
    OS
    Windows 2012 R2 Data center/Linux Mint
    CPU
    i3 9100 3.6GHz, 8M cache, 4C/4T
    Memory
    8GB 2666MT/s DDR4 ECC UDIMM
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viewsonic
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    1 TB & 750 GB
    Other Info
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/productdetailstxn/poweredge-t140?~ck=bt
Technically Windows has always been rented software, even in older Windows versions. You buy the licence, but it's only giving you the right to use their software. You're still bound by the EULA terms.

I also think that there will be more ads and annoyances baked into Windows 10 further down the line. I expect them to lock it down a little more too. If I'm proved wrong, then I'll happily start using it. I have no desire to right now though. I run it in a VM and to be honest it hardly ever gets used/booted up.

Intel and MS are trying their hardest to get people on to 10, including blocking the updates, which work perfectly on older Windows versions with newer chips. So there is no reason to do it, other than just being awkward! I've noticed certain Windows 7 drivers are difficult to find now on Intel's site. I had to get one for a friend's system from a 3rd party site. If the OS is still supported then drivers should still be readily available for it until its EOL.
At least there are workarounds for these issues (for now anyway).

It's testament to how much people like 7. MS has tried many different methods to get people to upgrade and they have always found ways to get around it. If people weren't convinced by a "free" upgrade, then they're unlikely to switch easily until they really have no other option.

I really don't need all the "bells and whistles" that Windows 10 has to offer. I can do all the same things I do on a daily basis with both 7 and 8.1 and with less distractions.
As long as it keeps running the software I use, then I'm good with what I have. :thumbsup:
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Win 7 Ultimate, Win 8.1 Pro, Linux Mint 19 Ci...Intel i5 4690KCorsair Vengeance LP 32GB DDR3MSI GTX 1060 GAMING X 6GB
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Win 7 Ultimate, Win 8.1 Pro, Linux Mint 19 Cinnamon (All 64-Bit)
CPU
Intel i5 4690K
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z97X-UD3H
Memory
Corsair Vengeance LP 32GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
MSI GTX 1060 GAMING X 6GB
Sound Card
Onboard
Hard Drives
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD (x2)
Samsung 860 EVO 1TB SSD (x2)
Crucial MX300 525GB SSD
WD Blue 2TB 5400rpm Intellipark Disabled (x2)
PSU
Corsair HX750i
Case
Phanteks Enthoo Pro
Cooling
CM Hyper 212 EVO on CPU, Noctua Redux NF-P14S 1500rpm (x6)
Keyboard
Corsair K70 RGB LUX
Mouse
Corsair Sabre RGB
Antivirus
Avast Free, MalwareBytes, SAS & CryptoPrevent
Browser
Chrome
Other Info
StarTech PEXESAT322I 2 Port PCI-E SATA Card
ASUS PCE-AC56 Dual-band AC1300 Wireless Card
Akasa FC.Six Manual Fan Controller
And a Partridge in a Pear Tree!
Pay-per-Click

I also suspect that M$ is heading somewhere that will at the very least be controversial. If it isn't everything in the cloud or selling our stats, it could be renting the OS and/or showing ads everywhere. It could be something even worse than that. They have to have a plan for making up that lost revenue from giving it away for a year.
I also think that there will be more ads and annoyances baked into Windows 10 further down the line. I expect them to lock it down a little more too.
I suspect that ultimately Windows will be turned into an Azure-based subscription OS (Pay-per-Click). :(
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM19.2 MATE, W10 Home 1703, ...AMD Phenom II x6 1100T, 3.3 GHz12GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill (4GB x 2), G-Skill (2G...NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
n/a
OS
W7 Ultimate SP1, LM19.2 MATE, W10 Home 1703, W10 Pro 1703 VM, #All 64 bit
CPU
AMD Phenom II x6 1100T, 3.3 GHz
Motherboard
ASUS M4A88T-M/USB3 (AM3)
Memory
12GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill (4GB x 2), G-Skill (2GB x 2)
Graphics Card(s)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660
Sound Card
Realtek?
Monitor(s) Displays
Samsung S23B350
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
WD Green 2TB (SATA), WD Green 3TB (SATA), WD Blue 4TB (SATA), WD Blue 6TB (SATA)
PSU
Cooler Master
Case
Antec GX300 Tower
Cooling
3x Antec TRICOOL 120mm Fans
Mouse
Wired Optical
Internet Speed
DSL
Antivirus
Avast
Browser
Pale Moon (64 bit)
Other Info
2018-12-27 Upgraded HDDs
2015-12-10 Upgraded case, graphics card, storage
2015-08-15 Upgraded motherboard & RAM
2015-07-15 Upgraded LM17.1 to LM17.2
I'm pretty surprised the W7 die hards are not all over this!!!

W10 FTW :p

End of support just means no more updates. Fine by me, what I have works. I have legacy hardware (Meade DSI just to name one) and software that goes with said hardware that Windows 8 and 10 would prevent from working. My custom built Win7 box is stable, everything works. I have no problem with using Surface Pro with Windows 10.

And before anyone starts about 'not secure'.. hogwash. It's not up to MS to keep my system secure, it's up to me. Haven't had any malware, hijackers, ransomware or viruses in over 18 years on different (through Win 95, 98, XP, Vista, 7, 8)
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 7 Ultimate x64bit, Windows 8.1 Pro, W...Xeon CPU E3-1231v3 3.40GHz32gb DDR4NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Asus Custom Build
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64bit, Windows 8.1 Pro, Windows 10pro
CPU
Xeon CPU E3-1231v3 3.40GHz
Motherboard
Asus B85-Pro Gamer
Memory
32gb DDR4
Graphics Card(s)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
Sound Card
NVIDIA HD Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
HP E230T, Benq RL2455
Screen Resolution
1920x1080 (both monitors)
Hard Drives
Assorted Samsung, Toshiba, Western Digitials, Segates 16TB total at this time.
PSU
EVGA SuperNOVA B2 750W Power Supply
Case
Phanteks Enthoo Pro Chassis
Cooling
Be Quiet! Pure Rock CPU Cooler
Keyboard
Logitech G710+
Mouse
Razer Death Adder (Lefthanded) Razer Naga Gaming mouse
Internet Speed
NBN
Right on, Sandra. I plan to continue using W7 on my music computer, keeping it offline most of the time, while doing my internet surfing on Linux. Which is what I already have been doing for a few years now. Kubuntu is my current favorite. Use W7 offline for Office or whatever you need it for. Use Linux for everything else. Easy.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 7 x64 SP1AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ / 3.0 GHz6 GB
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Gateway GT5656
OS
Windows 7 x64 SP1
CPU
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ / 3.0 GHz
Motherboard
NVIDIA GeForce 6150 SE
Memory
6 GB
Monitor(s) Displays
Lenovo LED
Screen Resolution
1920 X 1080
Hard Drives
Windows on 500 GB spinner; Ubuntu 16 on Sandisk 250GB SSD; Bodhi5 on Samsung 250GB SSD; another old spinner for fooling around.
PSU
Original that came with computer
Keyboard
Logitech wireless
Mouse
Logitech wireless
Antivirus
Microsoft Sec Essentials
Browser
Vivaldi
Technically Windows has always been rented software, even in older Windows versions. You buy the licence, but it's only giving you the right to use their software. You're still bound by the EULA terms.

In terms of renting it I'm speculating about end users having to fork out money yearly or even monthly or you lose the ability to use it kind of like office 365. That's unprecedented. Previously you only had to pay for Windows when going from one version to another no less than about every 2-3 years. Even then that was optional although they did their best to get users to upgrade. If they go that route users will be forced to update to whatever version they implement it on by their horrid update system which is one of the reasons why I don't like it.

7 users weren't forced to go to 8 when it came out and either where forced onto 10 although they did try to trick and nag users into installing it. With each version they did make it harder to get it on new computers and withdrew support but users weren't forced to upgrade. They are heading down a dangerous path and I don't trust them. They will have to change their policies drastically for me to go to 10 and I highly doubt that they will do so.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 7 pro/Windows 10 ProIntel i7 860 Quad core 2.8 ghz8 gbATI Radeon HD 5770 1 gb ram
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    HP Pavillion Elite HPE-250f
    OS
    Windows 7 pro/Windows 10 Pro
    CPU
    Intel i7 860 Quad core 2.8 ghz
    Memory
    8 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 5770 1 gb ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Alienware 25 AW2521HF & Viewsonic
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x1080 & 1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    WD blue 1 tb & 500 gb.
    Browser
    FF of course.
    Other Info
    https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-pavilion-elite-desktop-intel-core-i7-processor-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive/9921493.p?skuId=9921493
  • At a glance

    Windows 2012 R2 Data center/Linux Minti3 9100 3.6GHz, 8M cache, 4C/4T8GB 2666MT/s DDR4 ECC UDIMM
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Dell Poweredge T140
    OS
    Windows 2012 R2 Data center/Linux Mint
    CPU
    i3 9100 3.6GHz, 8M cache, 4C/4T
    Memory
    8GB 2666MT/s DDR4 ECC UDIMM
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viewsonic
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    1 TB & 750 GB
    Other Info
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/productdetailstxn/poweredge-t140?~ck=bt

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Win 7 Ultimate, Win 8.1 Pro, Linux Mint 19 Ci...Intel i5 4690KCorsair Vengeance LP 32GB DDR3MSI GTX 1060 GAMING X 6GB
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Win 7 Ultimate, Win 8.1 Pro, Linux Mint 19 Cinnamon (All 64-Bit)
CPU
Intel i5 4690K
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z97X-UD3H
Memory
Corsair Vengeance LP 32GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
MSI GTX 1060 GAMING X 6GB
Sound Card
Onboard
Hard Drives
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD (x2)
Samsung 860 EVO 1TB SSD (x2)
Crucial MX300 525GB SSD
WD Blue 2TB 5400rpm Intellipark Disabled (x2)
PSU
Corsair HX750i
Case
Phanteks Enthoo Pro
Cooling
CM Hyper 212 EVO on CPU, Noctua Redux NF-P14S 1500rpm (x6)
Keyboard
Corsair K70 RGB LUX
Mouse
Corsair Sabre RGB
Antivirus
Avast Free, MalwareBytes, SAS & CryptoPrevent
Browser
Chrome
Other Info
StarTech PEXESAT322I 2 Port PCI-E SATA Card
ASUS PCE-AC56 Dual-band AC1300 Wireless Card
Akasa FC.Six Manual Fan Controller
And a Partridge in a Pear Tree!
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My Computer My Computer

At a glance

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM19.2 MATE, W10 Home 1703, ...AMD Phenom II x6 1100T, 3.3 GHz12GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill (4GB x 2), G-Skill (2G...NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
n/a
OS
W7 Ultimate SP1, LM19.2 MATE, W10 Home 1703, W10 Pro 1703 VM, #All 64 bit
CPU
AMD Phenom II x6 1100T, 3.3 GHz
Motherboard
ASUS M4A88T-M/USB3 (AM3)
Memory
12GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill (4GB x 2), G-Skill (2GB x 2)
Graphics Card(s)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660
Sound Card
Realtek?
Monitor(s) Displays
Samsung S23B350
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
WD Green 2TB (SATA), WD Green 3TB (SATA), WD Blue 4TB (SATA), WD Blue 6TB (SATA)
PSU
Cooler Master
Case
Antec GX300 Tower
Cooling
3x Antec TRICOOL 120mm Fans
Mouse
Wired Optical
Internet Speed
DSL
Antivirus
Avast
Browser
Pale Moon (64 bit)
Other Info
2018-12-27 Upgraded HDDs
2015-12-10 Upgraded case, graphics card, storage
2015-08-15 Upgraded motherboard & RAM
2015-07-15 Upgraded LM17.1 to LM17.2
So computers are heading to a cloud based portal for which we are given a terminal and won't be able to do anything without access. All for the low price of $20 per month.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 7 pro/Windows 10 ProIntel i7 860 Quad core 2.8 ghz8 gbATI Radeon HD 5770 1 gb ram
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    HP Pavillion Elite HPE-250f
    OS
    Windows 7 pro/Windows 10 Pro
    CPU
    Intel i7 860 Quad core 2.8 ghz
    Memory
    8 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 5770 1 gb ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Alienware 25 AW2521HF & Viewsonic
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x1080 & 1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    WD blue 1 tb & 500 gb.
    Browser
    FF of course.
    Other Info
    https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-pavilion-elite-desktop-intel-core-i7-processor-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive/9921493.p?skuId=9921493
  • At a glance

    Windows 2012 R2 Data center/Linux Minti3 9100 3.6GHz, 8M cache, 4C/4T8GB 2666MT/s DDR4 ECC UDIMM
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Dell Poweredge T140
    OS
    Windows 2012 R2 Data center/Linux Mint
    CPU
    i3 9100 3.6GHz, 8M cache, 4C/4T
    Memory
    8GB 2666MT/s DDR4 ECC UDIMM
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viewsonic
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    1 TB & 750 GB
    Other Info
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/productdetailstxn/poweredge-t140?~ck=bt
It'll be the final nail in the coffin for me if it switches to a purely subscription based service. Seems like everything is going that way these days, but no way will I pay a sub for it. There are other alternatives.

Wonder if I can keep running Windows 7 for the next 20 years? :roflmao:
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Win 7 Ultimate, Win 8.1 Pro, Linux Mint 19 Ci...Intel i5 4690KCorsair Vengeance LP 32GB DDR3MSI GTX 1060 GAMING X 6GB
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Win 7 Ultimate, Win 8.1 Pro, Linux Mint 19 Cinnamon (All 64-Bit)
CPU
Intel i5 4690K
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z97X-UD3H
Memory
Corsair Vengeance LP 32GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
MSI GTX 1060 GAMING X 6GB
Sound Card
Onboard
Hard Drives
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD (x2)
Samsung 860 EVO 1TB SSD (x2)
Crucial MX300 525GB SSD
WD Blue 2TB 5400rpm Intellipark Disabled (x2)
PSU
Corsair HX750i
Case
Phanteks Enthoo Pro
Cooling
CM Hyper 212 EVO on CPU, Noctua Redux NF-P14S 1500rpm (x6)
Keyboard
Corsair K70 RGB LUX
Mouse
Corsair Sabre RGB
Antivirus
Avast Free, MalwareBytes, SAS & CryptoPrevent
Browser
Chrome
Other Info
StarTech PEXESAT322I 2 Port PCI-E SATA Card
ASUS PCE-AC56 Dual-band AC1300 Wireless Card
Akasa FC.Six Manual Fan Controller
And a Partridge in a Pear Tree!
Make the shift from Windows 7 and Office 2010 to Windows 10 and Office 365.

Support for Windows 7 will end on January 14, 2020. Microsoft will no longer provide security updates or technical support for devices running Windows 7 operating systems. That’s why it’s time to make the shift to Windows 10 today.

Office 2010 will reach its end of support on October 13, 2020. If you haven't already begun to upgrade your Office 2010 environment, we recommend you start now.

Since when does "today" equal "16 months"?
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Linux Mint 18.2 xfce 64-bit (VMWare host) / W...Haswell4 GB
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Dell
OS
Linux Mint 18.2 xfce 64-bit (VMWare host) / Windows 8.1 Pro 32-bit (VMWare guest)
CPU
Haswell
Memory
4 GB
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer 23"
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080
Hard Drives
Two hard drives, 1TB each: One for Linux, one for my data.
Keyboard
IBM Model M
Antivirus
Sophos (Linux), Trend Micro (Windows)
Browser
Firefox, Opera
Other Info
I use Samba to share my data drive with the other computers at my house and with my guest session in VMWare Workstation Player.
I refuse to downgrade to Win10. I will stick with Win7 for as long as I possibly can. Hopefully by the time Win7 becomes nonviable, there won't be anything left that I can't do on Linux. I'm stuck with Office365 for work (have "free-to-me" accounts through both work and school), but I won't hesitate to go to OpenOffice, if necessary. I will NEVER pay a subscription fee for Windows!
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Win7 Professional 64-bit SP1AMD A10-8700P Radeon R616 GiB
Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP ProBook
OS
Win7 Professional 64-bit SP1
CPU
AMD A10-8700P Radeon R6
Memory
16 GiB
I've used a mixture of Office 2007 and LibreOffice. Although I've leaned more towards LibreOffice these days. I use it more than Office now, so I'll probably remove Office altogether soon.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Win 7 Ultimate, Win 8.1 Pro, Linux Mint 19 Ci...Intel i5 4690KCorsair Vengeance LP 32GB DDR3MSI GTX 1060 GAMING X 6GB
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Win 7 Ultimate, Win 8.1 Pro, Linux Mint 19 Cinnamon (All 64-Bit)
CPU
Intel i5 4690K
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z97X-UD3H
Memory
Corsair Vengeance LP 32GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
MSI GTX 1060 GAMING X 6GB
Sound Card
Onboard
Hard Drives
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD (x2)
Samsung 860 EVO 1TB SSD (x2)
Crucial MX300 525GB SSD
WD Blue 2TB 5400rpm Intellipark Disabled (x2)
PSU
Corsair HX750i
Case
Phanteks Enthoo Pro
Cooling
CM Hyper 212 EVO on CPU, Noctua Redux NF-P14S 1500rpm (x6)
Keyboard
Corsair K70 RGB LUX
Mouse
Corsair Sabre RGB
Antivirus
Avast Free, MalwareBytes, SAS & CryptoPrevent
Browser
Chrome
Other Info
StarTech PEXESAT322I 2 Port PCI-E SATA Card
ASUS PCE-AC56 Dual-band AC1300 Wireless Card
Akasa FC.Six Manual Fan Controller
And a Partridge in a Pear Tree!
It's super weird still seeing some familiar names around here, even the admins (totally missed all of you guys :grouphug:).

I keep coming back to SF for the Focus Rectangle Remover thread I posted years and years ago, 'cause I've been working with a lot of computers over the past two years and, like the idiot that I am, I keep forgetting to keep a copy with me on a thumbdrive and instead just come here to directly download it to the computer I'm working on every once in a while. BTW it totally works on W10... most of the time lol

I'm honestly not surprised the forums are still up and about, and users are still active. I finally ditched Win7 two years ago, and I still kind of miss its simplicity and ease of customization (in terms of third party themes, compared to which 10 is an absolute mess) - but some basic improvements in 10 that resolved my gripes with 7 and even 8.1 made me stick with it.

And let me just say, I avoid the regular Home and Pro version like the plague - I use and will recommend LTSB 2016 (don't ask me about licensing, Microsoft doesn't deserve my money anymore; I don't want to comment on that further because, IIRC, it's against SF rules) to anyone. No Cortana, no Edge, no Store, just the Xbox DVR shell (no app) and that horrible Settings app. And I like it. I mean, I don't like it, but I can live with it. The old, basic transparency options look horrible in LTSB 2016 and there aren't plenty of third party themes to choose from these days, but I've grown used to the look of 10 - mostly because I disabled literally everything - app notifications, task view (don't need it, and will definitely not use it once LTSB 2019 comes out with that timeline thing lol), search icon is hidden, everything I need is pinned on the taskbar and I literally only use the start menu to shut down or restart.

I did at one point use elementary OS for a few months and had settled into it quite nicely, but the lack of support for my Steam library (even recently with Steam play) did not keep me on it, and I've started to avoid dual booting because grub is terrible and I have no patience to tweak all that spaghetti code.

And I absolutely still hate the update process on 10, even on LTSB which only gets security updates. Every new monthly update takes longer to install than the previous one, it sometimes fails and rolls back and then I have to re-download everything and waste, like, two hours of my free time dealing with this crap. Windows Defender is more intrusive than how MSE worked on 7, still sending me loud notifications in the middle of the night ('cause my PC is always on and I sleep to music), and after every update I find some of the options reset to default that I have to change again. Ugh!


I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again - I honestly wish Apple bit the bullet and allowed OSX to be installed on any computer - they could easily just put out a statement saying that they will not offer official technical support for the OS that is not installed on their own machines - and Microsoft would be DONE! Even gaming developers having easier (and much cheaper) access to an alternative OS to work on (which still has a bigger userbase than all Linux distros combined, AFAIK, might be wrong on that one) would bring more games to Apple's ecosystem and, Steam or no Steam, would probably make them more money (app store integration, anyone?)

Windows 10 is still a mess, years after release and with all the feature updates so far. MS cast a wide net, then tried to store liquid in it - everything they do seems to sip through, meaningless and more annoying than useful; they STILL haven't lined up their UI. All that talk about fluent design made me laugh at loud.

And I would still be on 7 if the updates offered weren't absolutely terrible, bogging down my performance and being annoying to work with these days. I don't want to play a game of hit and miss with OS updates anymore, I've had enough of that with 10 already.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 7 Home Premium x64Intel Core i5 2500K8GB DDR3nVidia GeForce GTX650 Ti BOOST
Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom
OS
Windows 7 Home Premium x64
CPU
Intel Core i5 2500K
Motherboard
MSI MS-7750
Memory
8GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
nVidia GeForce GTX650 Ti BOOST
Sound Card
Realtek
Monitor(s) Displays
21' Philips
Screen Resolution
Full HD
Hard Drives
1TB
PSU
500W
Wonder if I can keep running Windows 7 for the next 20 years? :roflmao:
I don't see why not.

My XP install is still going strong and I haven't noticed any issues with my XP VMs either.

And I would still be on 7 if the updates offered weren't absolutely terrible, bogging down my performance and being annoying to work with these days. I don't want to play a game of hit and miss with OS updates anymore, I've had enough of that with 10 already.
The simple solution to that issue is don't install MS' W7 updates and use Backup Images instead.

My W7 PCs are updated to December 2017 and I create Macrium Reflect Images every month (All of my personal files are stored on separate partitions).

It works for W10 too.
My W10 1703 installs (Pro VM and Home laptop) have run flawlessly since I blocked/disconnected them from our network.
 
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My Computer My Computer

At a glance

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM19.2 MATE, W10 Home 1703, ...AMD Phenom II x6 1100T, 3.3 GHz12GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill (4GB x 2), G-Skill (2G...NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
n/a
OS
W7 Ultimate SP1, LM19.2 MATE, W10 Home 1703, W10 Pro 1703 VM, #All 64 bit
CPU
AMD Phenom II x6 1100T, 3.3 GHz
Motherboard
ASUS M4A88T-M/USB3 (AM3)
Memory
12GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill (4GB x 2), G-Skill (2GB x 2)
Graphics Card(s)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660
Sound Card
Realtek?
Monitor(s) Displays
Samsung S23B350
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
WD Green 2TB (SATA), WD Green 3TB (SATA), WD Blue 4TB (SATA), WD Blue 6TB (SATA)
PSU
Cooler Master
Case
Antec GX300 Tower
Cooling
3x Antec TRICOOL 120mm Fans
Mouse
Wired Optical
Internet Speed
DSL
Antivirus
Avast
Browser
Pale Moon (64 bit)
Other Info
2018-12-27 Upgraded HDDs
2015-12-10 Upgraded case, graphics card, storage
2015-08-15 Upgraded motherboard & RAM
2015-07-15 Upgraded LM17.1 to LM17.2
I'm forced to use 10 at work and I've disabled Cortana although I still have the search box but I've simplified it to just the magnifier icon. I haven't tried customizations because it isn't my computer. I don't have to worry about windows update since they use a managed update system. I can use 10 at work but I don't like it. I have a copy of 2016 on a virtual machine but I don't really use it. I really don't want to go with 10 ever. I don't trust it and I don't trust M$ with it. If I do downgrade from 7 it'll be to 8.1 or 2012 r2 with classic shell. After that I'll probably go back to mac. Of course M$ wants everyone to use it that way that can trap people into using it before doing whatever it is that they plan on doing. Be it integrated ads, renting it out, and/or selling user's information or something even worse. I can't think of what could be worse but it wouldn't surprise me if they come up with something. They would have to overhaul it drastically and change policies before I would even consider using it and I find that highly unlikely.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 7 pro/Windows 10 ProIntel i7 860 Quad core 2.8 ghz8 gbATI Radeon HD 5770 1 gb ram
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    HP Pavillion Elite HPE-250f
    OS
    Windows 7 pro/Windows 10 Pro
    CPU
    Intel i7 860 Quad core 2.8 ghz
    Memory
    8 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 5770 1 gb ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Alienware 25 AW2521HF & Viewsonic
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x1080 & 1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    WD blue 1 tb & 500 gb.
    Browser
    FF of course.
    Other Info
    https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-pavilion-elite-desktop-intel-core-i7-processor-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive/9921493.p?skuId=9921493
  • At a glance

    Windows 2012 R2 Data center/Linux Minti3 9100 3.6GHz, 8M cache, 4C/4T8GB 2666MT/s DDR4 ECC UDIMM
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Dell Poweredge T140
    OS
    Windows 2012 R2 Data center/Linux Mint
    CPU
    i3 9100 3.6GHz, 8M cache, 4C/4T
    Memory
    8GB 2666MT/s DDR4 ECC UDIMM
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viewsonic
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    1 TB & 750 GB
    Other Info
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/productdetailstxn/poweredge-t140?~ck=bt
If I do downgrade from 7 it'll be to 8.1 or 2012 r2 with classic shell.

Once I've installed Classic Shell, stripped away all the Metro stuff and applied several Group Policies to disable things like the Store, OneDrive etc - I actually find Windows 8.1 a pretty decent OS to use. I have to tweak it a bit more than 7 to get it how I want it, but once I have, I do enjoy using it. I only use Local Accounts, not MS accounts on it.

It's missing a few features from 7 which I used, but I can live with that.

They would have to overhaul it drastically and change policies before I would even consider using it and I find that highly unlikely.

:ditto:
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Win 7 Ultimate, Win 8.1 Pro, Linux Mint 19 Ci...Intel i5 4690KCorsair Vengeance LP 32GB DDR3MSI GTX 1060 GAMING X 6GB
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Win 7 Ultimate, Win 8.1 Pro, Linux Mint 19 Cinnamon (All 64-Bit)
CPU
Intel i5 4690K
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z97X-UD3H
Memory
Corsair Vengeance LP 32GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
MSI GTX 1060 GAMING X 6GB
Sound Card
Onboard
Hard Drives
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD (x2)
Samsung 860 EVO 1TB SSD (x2)
Crucial MX300 525GB SSD
WD Blue 2TB 5400rpm Intellipark Disabled (x2)
PSU
Corsair HX750i
Case
Phanteks Enthoo Pro
Cooling
CM Hyper 212 EVO on CPU, Noctua Redux NF-P14S 1500rpm (x6)
Keyboard
Corsair K70 RGB LUX
Mouse
Corsair Sabre RGB
Antivirus
Avast Free, MalwareBytes, SAS & CryptoPrevent
Browser
Chrome
Other Info
StarTech PEXESAT322I 2 Port PCI-E SATA Card
ASUS PCE-AC56 Dual-band AC1300 Wireless Card
Akasa FC.Six Manual Fan Controller
And a Partridge in a Pear Tree!
I'm forced to use 10 at work and I've disabled Cortana although I still have the search box but I've simplified it to just the magnifier icon. I haven't tried customizations because it isn't my computer. I don't have to worry about windows update since they use a managed update system. I can use 10 at work but I don't like it. I have a copy of 2016 on a virtual machine but I don't really use it. I really don't want to go with 10 ever. I don't trust it and I don't trust M$ with it. If I do downgrade from 7 it'll be to 8.1 or 2012 r2 with classic shell. After that I'll probably go back to mac. Of course M$ wants everyone to use it that way that can trap people into using it before doing whatever it is that they plan on doing. Be it integrated ads, renting it out, and/or selling user's information or something even worse. I can't think of what could be worse but it wouldn't surprise me if they come up with something. They would have to overhaul it drastically and change policies before I would even consider using it and I find that highly unlikely.

Even if the did overhaul it drastically and change policies, there is no way I could ever trust MS again.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bitIntel i7-3930KKingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modul...MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2...
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
CPU
Intel i7-3930K
Motherboard
ASUS P9X79 WS
Memory
Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR
Graphics Card(s)
MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR
Sound Card
Asus Xonar Essence STX
Monitor(s) Displays
3x Asus VG248QE 24", Vizio 32" TV
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080, ?
Hard Drives
Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (1),
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (4)
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (16) external backup drives used in 2.5" hot swap bays in the computer.
PSU
Corsair HX750w
Case
Antec Two Hundred v2 (modified)
Cooling
Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm)
Keyboard
Logitech G510s
Mouse
Logitech M525 (two in use)
Internet Speed
=< 32Mbps down, 8Mbps up
Antivirus
AVAST!, MBAM, SAS, Spybot S&D (all but MBAM free) Glary Util
Browser
IE11
Other Info
LSI 9211-8i HBA card (8 SATA III ports), 2.5" & 3.5" Hot Swap Bays, HooToo HT-CR001 PCI-E to USB 3.0 Internal Hub + 6 Slot Card Reader, and LG Model CH12LS28 BD-ROM Optical Drive. Also, ScanSnap S1500 ADF duplexing scanner, Canon 9000F flat bed scanner, Corsair SP2500 2.1 speakers, Samsung CLP 415nw laser color printer, Cyberpower PP2200SW UPS
Even if the did overhaul it drastically and change policies, there is no way I could ever trust MS again.

The "icing on the cake" for me was when, in spite of the GWX Control Panel being installed on his computer (and set to block a Windows 10 upgrade), Microsoft upgraded my father in law's computer to Windows 10, bricking his computer in the process.

I have moved on to Linux Mint. I run Windows 8.1 in a VM for those things which I need but which won't run in Linux - there are a few such things.

But I can't abandon Windows entirely - I make my living doing Windows IT support.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Linux Mint 18.2 xfce 64-bit (VMWare host) / W...Haswell4 GB
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Dell
OS
Linux Mint 18.2 xfce 64-bit (VMWare host) / Windows 8.1 Pro 32-bit (VMWare guest)
CPU
Haswell
Memory
4 GB
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer 23"
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080
Hard Drives
Two hard drives, 1TB each: One for Linux, one for my data.
Keyboard
IBM Model M
Antivirus
Sophos (Linux), Trend Micro (Windows)
Browser
Firefox, Opera
Other Info
I use Samba to share my data drive with the other computers at my house and with my guest session in VMWare Workstation Player.
The "icing on the cake" for me was when, in spite of the GWX Control Panel being installed on his computer (and set to block a Windows 10 upgrade), Microsoft upgraded my father in law's computer to Windows 10, bricking his computer in the process.

Yes that was a terrible way to handle it but how did it get installed without any action taken by him? I blocked it on my Mom's computer and she never got 10.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 7 pro/Windows 10 ProIntel i7 860 Quad core 2.8 ghz8 gbATI Radeon HD 5770 1 gb ram
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    HP Pavillion Elite HPE-250f
    OS
    Windows 7 pro/Windows 10 Pro
    CPU
    Intel i7 860 Quad core 2.8 ghz
    Memory
    8 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 5770 1 gb ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Alienware 25 AW2521HF & Viewsonic
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x1080 & 1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    WD blue 1 tb & 500 gb.
    Browser
    FF of course.
    Other Info
    https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-pavilion-elite-desktop-intel-core-i7-processor-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive/9921493.p?skuId=9921493
  • At a glance

    Windows 2012 R2 Data center/Linux Minti3 9100 3.6GHz, 8M cache, 4C/4T8GB 2666MT/s DDR4 ECC UDIMM
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Dell Poweredge T140
    OS
    Windows 2012 R2 Data center/Linux Mint
    CPU
    i3 9100 3.6GHz, 8M cache, 4C/4T
    Memory
    8GB 2666MT/s DDR4 ECC UDIMM
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viewsonic
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    1 TB & 750 GB
    Other Info
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/productdetailstxn/poweredge-t140?~ck=bt
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