Introducing Windows 11

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[file3456]

They still can't grasp the concept where there's a very thick line that separates the PC and a mobile device.

As a PC enthusiast I'm not impressed at all. All the bells and whistles are nice, but if I want that particular functionality I'll use my tablet or smartphone. The OS for a PC is for a way different piece of hardware and I don't see why we should be incorporating one piece of hardware to another via the software architecture. So having said this, I'm a strong believer there needs to be one OS for a PC and another for a mobile device. Or if you want to slap said mobile OS version on a laptop like a Surface branded laptop, then by all means do so. But all the mobile fluff stuff is not what I want on a PC. Especially knowing its teaming with oodles of telemetry that is not wanted by me or the population at large if they were educated on it all. Some are, some may not, and to make matters worse some don't care. It's precisely this type of mindset that enables billions of capital to flow into a company and help fulfill the bottom line and greed head stock holders. Not saying this is necessarily bad, and I'm a strong proponent of the freedoms afforded with Capitalism which is an inherit double edged sword. But to put it in simple terms, it's almost like whoring out your customer. That's what this all is in terms of telemetry and what not. The customer has this itch for Apps, social media and Crap & Co. and because of that you're whored out for profit the likes of which most have no understanding.

There are many other things here I can go on about where I see society heading. But let me lay these words down now and perhaps upload them to the IPFS: One day you'll embrace the new OS on a chip who's interface is your own personal real PC, i.e. the brain. And it all started from x.com.

 

[townsbg]

That's hilarious. They are trying to make it look like a mac. I agree with @F22 Simpilot.They won't drop the telemetry and it wouldn't surprise me if they make it worse. I thought that they purported that 10 would be the last version. That they would just keep changing it to suite them.

 

[Megahertz07]

What happens to Win 10 once Win 11 is released?
Win 10 will continue to have a release update twice a year?
Will MS keep developing the two OS (win 10 and 11) or Win 10 will only be maintained for some time?

 

[michael diemer]

Agree with above posts by SimPilot and Townes. This confirms what I have long suspected: MSFT is incapable at this point of altering course. Windows will be from this point on a way to monetize users. Everything else is secondary. If they think bringing back aeroglass will make some people happy, they will do it. What they will never do again is make systems that respect privacy, which people will gladly pay 100-200.00 for, because they are so good, private and secure. Nothing else matters now but "whoring out their users," as Simpilot crudely but accurately put it. And also forcing people to buy new computers when their 2 year old one works fine.

 

[townsbg]

When my last computer went out I was fortunate to get a 10 yo one that my uncle wasn't using. New it was mid to high end so it still works great. If it weren't for that I would have had to get a new one with 10 on it. I'll keep using it until something goes out and even then since I'm back to a desktop I might be able to replace parts. I don't need a new one.

 

[Zombola]

For what i use my laptop i am happy with windows 7 and my TOSHIBA sattelite A200

 

[file3456]

Apparently, it's come out that Windows 11 needs you to have a TPM (Trusted Platform Module) installed in order for Windows 11 to install or work. I'm sure a hack work around will come out at Github latter on. Heck of it is, Microsoft owns Github. LOL! What a contradiction in time.

A lot of your newer CPUs since at least 2018 already have a TPM built in. For older CPUs and motherboards your only hope is if the motherboard haswell a TPM connector.

The push for a TPM is an interesting one. While it's need for Bitlocker and other things primarily related to the enterprise spectrum, I wonder if there's some sort of unique identifier attached to it or something? My sound conspiratorial of me, but given Microsoft or just big tech in general I have my suspicions.

In my opinion, anything requiring a physical piece of matter for decryption and what have you, be it a TPM, Yubikey or biometrics is rife for a hack. You're better off with a manual password entry* and having the software use a salt based on atmospheric noise or use a very small piece of Americium or something. In the United States, the first amendment protects your right to free speech and the fifth amendment pretty much says you don't have to say anything to otherwise incriminate yourself. A piece of matter like a Yubikey can be stolen or examined, and biometrics is NOT protected under the 5th amendment. In the the example of a smartphone, you can be compelled under court order to use your mug, fingerprint, eye, etc. to unlock the phone.** If you're dead you have no choice, your phone is unlocked. Having said all that, a TPM can be used in a criminal case for forensic examination or what ever. But I guess no one has anything to hide so we the serfdom don't have to worry.

*Yes, malware, side channel attacks, etc can grab a manually entered password. Do you trust Gboard?

**Yes, a smartphone can be decrypted without a password.


Anyway,

# sudo rant mode-off

# ls other thoughts

Other thoughts:

I think I might just go Qubes OS as my everyday driver and if I game I'll flip a switch for the secondary hard drive with a striped down Windows 10 or 11 which was striped down with NTlite and what have you. All the while PFsense gurds against telemetry leakage as best as possible up to and including the deployment of NAT64 if needed... What? You thought IPv6 was the shitz? Think again... There be MAC addresses and what not in them parts.






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Addendum.






Intel chips let Web sites check your computer's ID - CNET


Now what made people allow this? Read on:

Pentium III - Wikipedia

Remember the Clipper chip? NSA's botched backdoor-for-Feds from 1993 still influences today's encryption debates • The Register



TiVo, your satellite and cable box? "Smart TV?" All know you better than you know yourself. Lets not forget the IoT crap, mobile devices with GPS fixed resolution of at least 13 feet (3.9 meters), WiFI probing requests, WiFI location based tracking and the bloody list goes on. You either stay abreast of it all and lessen the "footprint" or embrace the privacy rape.

 

[michael diemer]

When my last computer went out I was fortunate to get a 10 yo one that my uncle wasn't using. New it was mid to high end so it still works great. If it weren't for that I would have had to get a new one with 10 on it. I'll keep using it until something goes out and even then since I'm back to a desktop I might be able to replace parts. I don't need a new one.

I'm still using a 2009 Gateway desktop, AMD dual-core. I have Windows 7 on a HDD, but it's an archive at this point. I'm running Linux on a couple SSD's. To make accessing the W7 archive easier, I just installed W7 in Virtual Box and migrated our documents over. I'm using Free Office instead of MS Office. I can thus open that W7 from within Linux. Don't have to shut down and reboot the old HDD. All documents accessible, and little worry about an unsupported system.

I do have a newer machine, an i7. but even it is already 7 years old, and would not "qualify" for Windows 11. (Thank God). I have W7 Pro on it, and use it exclusively for music creation. The beautiful aeroglass desktop in all its glory. I keep it offline by default. At some point I'll install Linux on it as a VM, and rig up a USB wifi dongle. Then only the Linux OS will be able to go online. Thus, I can work on my music, and if I need to go online briefly for something like the range of a soprano recorder, I can do so on Linux. It's practically instantaneous. There's always a way around the Evil Big Tech Beast. (You think they win in the end? Guess again. See the book of Revelation).

 

[BrainDamage]

lol I'm still using Win7 as my main machine. Really glad to see that it has outlived Win10 and the flat retro shitnterface. I wonder if it'll outlive Win11. (Probably not, I'll move to Linux at some point)
re: TPM I think it's really just a money grab for Intel & AMD. I wonder how that will work out given the recent h/w shortages. The truth is of course, with those h/w requirements there's no reason to install something as silly as Windows, especially when its UI will just be a half-functional ripoff of KDE

I think I might just go Qubes OS as my everyday driver and if I game I'll flip a switch for the secondary hard drive with a striped down Windows 10 or 11 which was striped down with NTlite and what have you.

With external GPUs connecting thru TB I wonder if you'll even have to dual boot with the right h/w

 

[michael diemer]

Windows 11 is looking like it'll be a bigger train wreck than Vista and W8 put together. there are already dozens of threads on Tom's Hardware, people are panicking like crazy. What is wrong with MSFT? they had such a good thing going with W7, then they seemed to have lost their minds. Delusion of Grandeur? Definitely. Probably much worse.

 

[AK6DN]

I think I'll just wait for Windows 12, thank you.

 

[townsbg]

Windows 11 is looking like it'll be a bigger train wreck than Vista and W8 put together.

I personally don't think that Vista was a disaster at least not in a way that would leave M$ directly responsible. The issue was primarily with the hardware. Just before Vista came out there where these so called "vista capable" machines built for xp and shipped with XP and a free upgrade to Vista later. They probably went by M$'s minimum requirements. My thoughts on their system requirements are: throw away their minimum requirements and consider the recommend requirements but only for the OS itself. Add the necessary resources for every day programs on top of that. Those vista capable computers where really only capable of running XP. My Dad got such a laptop (really a craptop), an Asus, and he experienced quite a slow down after installing Vista and then it went out. It was a bad laptop but he blamed Vista and said that he would never go with Windows again. It really isn't directly M$'s fault that hardware didn't catch up for most consumers until 7. However that resulted in a bad rep for Vista.

Personally I almost never had a problem with Vista (except when I tried to use an internal wireless card on it and long story short it didn't work) and I liked the aesthetics of it. I had a decent rig and was able to run vista quite well because I didn't have any bloatware and knew what to turn off plus I limited what processes ran for third party programs.

Now are you referring to 8 or 8.1. Although I've never used 8 I'm successfully running 8.1 now without any regrets although I miss aero. I'll admit that if it wasn't for open shell I wouldn't have it on my computer.

 

[michael diemer]

I personally don't think that Vista was a disaster at least not in a way that would leave M$ directly responsible. The issue was primarily with the hardware. Just before Vista came out there where these so called "vista capable" machines built for xp and shipped with XP and a free upgrade to Vista later. They probably went by M$'s minimum requirements. My thoughts on their system requirements are: throw away their minimum requirements and consider the recommend requirements but only for the OS itself. Add the necessary resources for every day programs on top of that. Those vista capable computers where really only capable of running XP. My Dad got such a laptop (really a craptop), an Asus, and he experienced quite a slow down after installing Vista and then it went out. It was a bad laptop but he blamed Vista and said that he would never go with Windows again. It really isn't directly M$'s fault that hardware didn't catch up for most consumers until 7. However that resulted in a bad rep for Vista.

Personally I almost never had a problem with Vista (except when I tried to use an internal wireless card on it and long story short it didn't work) and I liked the aesthetics of it. I had a decent rig and was able to run vista quite well because I didn't have any bloatware and knew what to turn off plus I limited what processes ran for third party programs.

Now are you referring to 8 or 8.1. Although I've never used 8 I'm successfully running 8.1 now without any regrets although I miss aero. I'll admit that if it wasn't for open shell I wouldn't have it on my computer.

I actually agree with you on vista. My current "regular" computer came with it, 32 bit. I used it for years for my music creation, and with SP2 it was a great system. My understanding is that windows 7 was basically Vista SP3. I recently installed it within Linux as a virtual system, just for fun. got it up to SP2. I can't seem to install the Guest Additions CD, as it's called. I'll probably scrap as I have windows 7 SP1 installed virtually as well. works great as an "archive" drive.

Re: 8, yes I meant 8, not 8.1. I've never used either of them, however. At first I was hopeful about 10, but when I discovered how it updates on its own, uses telemetry etc. I vowed never to touch it. I had extremely mild hopes that with 11, MSFT would finally get back to making desktop systems, but no they are committed to the phone/web-based/MSFT Account model. With 11, people will be forced to be online always. The better to monetize them.

 

[townsbg]

What do you mean by users being forced to be online all of the time? I don't think Microsoft will change and I don't like or support their current model. I've suspected that they have a secret, evil plan to make up the money lost by giving away 10. Their azure virtual desktop is where I think that they are headed. A platform that you have to rent to use that is completely out of your control. But I don't want to be too presumptive because I could be wrong. I do think that it is a bad to design it for all platforms. Tablets, cellphones (although no one buys their cellphones), touch screens, and laptops/desktop all have completely different uses and capabilities. Tablets, cellphones, and touch screens can be treated the same but really need to be treated differently than laptops and desktops. I hated 8.1 when I first tried it and I also had such high hopes for 10 when I heard that they where reverting from the full screen metro. Then they tacked on the telemetry and forced updates and as a result your computer is no longer yours. I don't feel like I am in control of it.

I'm glad that you agree with me on Vista. I thought that I'd be in the minority with possibly no one agreeing with me. I have and still use a vista VM almost daily. I don't blame Microsoft for the hardware shortcomings of the day anymore than Electronic arts for releasing Crysis when most high end computers didn't have the resources to run it. The manufacturers put out weak systems claiming that they could run Vista and those systems couldn't.

 

[cold iron]

That's hilarious. They are trying to make it look like a mac. I agree with @F22 Simpilot.They won't drop the telemetry and it wouldn't surprise me if they make it worse. I thought that they purported that 10 would be the last version. That they would just keep changing it to suite them.

The telemetry is easy to stop. 3 or for ways to do it!

 

[michael diemer]

What do you mean by users being forced to be online all of the time?

I saw something to that effect on Tom's Hardware. It fits with the trend the world is going in. always connected, everywhere and everything. George Orwell (1984) could never have imagined how accurate his predictions were.

 

[townsbg]

The telemetry is easy to stop. 3 or for ways to do it!

Says the guy running XP. Besides I'd rather avoid it than stop it. Plus didn't you read the thread? We have other gripes about it. Personally I don't like the look of it. Again, don't tell me that you can change it. That's the least of my concerns about it.

I saw something to that effect on Tom's Hardware. It fits with the trend the world is going in. always connected, everywhere and everything. George Orwell (1984) could never have imagined how accurate his predictions were.

Reminds me of terminator genysis. However are you saying that 11 won't function without being online?

I think I'll just wait for Windows 12, thank you.

Do you have any more hope for 12 than 10? Personally I've given up on M$. They don't care about the end users.

 

[jbcarreon123]

My current PC, Vostro 270s, comes with W7 Home Premium. but it lacks of TPM and the processor doesn't support Windows 11. So no Windows 11 for me.

 

[michael diemer]

Reminds me of terminator genysis. However are you saying that 11 won't function without being online?

Of course I don't really know, but it fits with the trend, the way the world is going. Total control. for a preview of what things may be like in the USA in future, look at the way they are in China now (Red, that is). You are monitored everywhere you go. They have recorded your face, iris, etc. While this country was founded on the principle of individual freedom, the unmistakable trend is toward collectivism. The needs of the one give way to the needs of the many. Mr. Spock, where are you when we need you?