Windows 7 Crushes Vista.

[sergiogarcia9]

That didnt surprise me either

 

[smarteyeball]

also to add to jimbo's list.

a changed gui is great for the home user, but a nightmare for the corporate envirionment as it means staff lose productivity as they need to retrain on the new interface.

That's when the Coporates should have jumped on the public Beta and RC builds and told their employes to start learning how to use it so they could have a smooth migration with limited loss of productivity when they made the switch.

With all due respect, I disagree. In the business world, time is money. Training pulls employees away from their duties resulting in lost productivity. Training employees on a beta is certainly not practical in the current economic environment when many business have cut back the work force to bare bones and are struggling to stay in the black. Training on a beta is a luxury that businesses and event the government cannot afford.

Another aspect is that some employees while very good and proficient at their jobs are not proficient with computers. A computer is a tool they have to use. These employees require more training and more practice. If XP is working, why train on a beta?

Unfortunately, this is extremely true. From a productivity viewpoint, it's simply impractical.

Even when those who do change, there will be a lot of time wasted re-training staff.



Personally I'd hate to work for an IT department amidst a new OS roll out.

99% of support tickets would be of the 'It used to do this - now it doesn't' ilk.

 

[Mark]

also to add to jimbo's list.

a changed gui is great for the home user, but a nightmare for the corporate envirionment as it means staff lose productivity as they need to retrain on the new interface.

That's when the Coporates should have jumped on the public Beta and RC builds and told their employes to start learning how to use it so they could have a smooth migration with limited loss of productivity when they made the switch.

With all due respect, I disagree. In the business world, time is money. Training pulls employees away from their duties resulting in lost productivity. Training employees on a beta is certainly not practical in the current economic environment when many business have cut back the work force to bare bones and are struggling to stay in the black. Training on a beta is a luxury that businesses and event the government cannot afford.

Another aspect is that some employees while very good and proficient at their jobs are not proficient with computers. A computer is a tool they have to use. These employees require more training and more practice. If XP is working, why train on a beta?

Sorry what I meant to say they should have told their employees to start using it at home, not in the workplace, when they had the opportunity to take advantage of the of the RC and then when the company did decide to switch their employees would have been familiar with the OS, that way there would be lees time needed to train the staff to use it.

 

[Mark]

That's when the Coporates should have jumped on the public Beta and RC builds and told their employes to start learning how to use it so they could have a smooth migration with limited loss of productivity when they made the switch.

With all due respect, I disagree. In the business world, time is money. Training pulls employees away from their duties resulting in lost productivity. Training employees on a beta is certainly not practical in the current economic environment when many business have cut back the work force to bare bones and are struggling to stay in the black. Training on a beta is a luxury that businesses and event the government cannot afford.

Another aspect is that some employees while very good and proficient at their jobs are not proficient with computers. A computer is a tool they have to use. These employees require more training and more practice. If XP is working, why train on a beta?

Unfortunately, this is extremely true. From a productivity viewpoint, it's simply impractical.

Even when those who do change, there will be a lot of time wasted re-training staff.



Personally I'd hate to work for an IT department amidst a new OS roll out.

99% of support tickets would be of the 'It used to do this - now it doesn't' ilk.

lol, My car used to have a stick shift, now it changes gear automatically, I can still drive it though.

 

[CarlTR6]

Sorry what I meant to say they should have told their employees to start using it at home, not in the workplace, when they had the opportunity to take advantage of the of the RC and then when the company did decide to switch their employees would have been familiar with the OS, that way there would be lees time needed to train the staff to use it.

That sounds good in theory and would work for employees who are computer savvy. But consider the mechanic in the shop or the parts clerk in an auto supply. These people use the computer as a tool for what they have to do. They follow the bouncing ball on the screen to accomplish a task and that's it. Many of these folks don't touch a computer when they get home - and many don't even have an email account. Their kids are on the computer; but not them. When they leave work to go home; they leave work behind. An employer cannot require them to train at home unless he/she compensates them and provides with the tools - hardware and software - to do the training.

 

[Mark]

We are all capable of change, it's just that most of us are stubborn and try to resist it, this is in our nature, but change is good and it leads to new innovations and improves productivity, people and coporates need to just bite the bullet and deal with it.

 

[CarlTR6]

We are all capable of change, it's just that most of us are stubborn and try to resist it, this is in our nature, but change is good and it leads to new innovations and improves productivity, people and coporates need to just bite the bullet and deal with it.

From a management point of view, it is not a question of resisting change, it is how to implement the change at the least cost and with the smallest negative impact on productivity and customers' ability to connect to the business. Disruption to the work routine is costly. And why change? Why fix what is not broken? If XP is doing the job, Windows Seven is not needed. The bells and whistles don't mean anything to productivity in a business environment.

 

[swarfega]

arent they already talking about ending support for vista?

 

[smarteyeball]

lol, My car used to have a stick shift, now it changes gear automatically, I can still drive it though.

lol, ditto.

But I'd wager one of the most common questions asked would be 'where's the Up Arrow' and that's just one small part of navigating within the OS itself.

Add some proprietary software into the mix and you'll have some frustrated IT staff. Some people just don't like change

On the other hand, I forced my dad to go from XP>Vista>Seven and he's not a big fan of change.

But since I kept the apps similar, kept the shortcuts easy to access and gave a little instruction here and there, surprisingly, there was little complaint from him

Basically, some will have no problems adapting, others will struggle for a bit and the rest will just bitch and moan

 

[Zen00]

I can't wait till we're all crotchety old men complaining about every change in the OS that was perfectly fine 10 revisions ago.

 

[seekermeister]

I still have XP as a secondary boot, but I admit that I haven't used it much lately, but I'm not about to uninstall it, not only because of compatibility, but because if MS impliments WAT in W7 SP1 as expected, I may revert back to it. Besides, there are some things that I will never get to work on W7, like my Intel microscope.

 

[CarlTR6]

I haven't thrown away my XP CD either!

 

[DarkRhystar]

arent they already talking about ending support for vista?

Don't necessarily believe what you hear. Microsoft will continue supporting Vista until 2012 with extended support going until 2017. We've got a few years before Vista support goes away.

 

[swarfega]

and there was me thinking theyd want to bury it 6 feet under asap!

 

[Fantail]

Starting to think Vista will be looked at like the last ugly puppy in the shoe box.

"Arrf"

 

[Packet]

I can't wait till we're all crotchety old men complaining about every change in the OS that was perfectly fine 10 revisions ago.

i do that now!
my favorite is the xp behaviour single click on nic icon in tray to bring up packets/bytes info - which doesnt work on 7 :drool:
hey, everybody's gotta have a hobby...

 

[baarod]

also to add to jimbo's list.

a changed gui is great for the home user, but a nightmare for the corporate envirionment as it means staff lose productivity as they need to retrain on the new interface.

Who are these folks that need to be "retrained"? That's a cop out. They probably use 7 at home!

 

[CarlTR6]

also to add to jimbo's list.

a changed gui is great for the home user, but a nightmare for the corporate envirionment as it means staff lose productivity as they need to retrain on the new interface.

Who are these folks that need to be "retrained"? That's a cop out. They probably use 7 at home!

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As I posted in another thread, there are lot of business where the computer is just a tool to look something up, log something, etc. An employee in an automotive parts store or a shop mechanic simply follow the bouncing ball. When they leave the job they don't touch a computer; they don't even have email addresses. Sure, their kids are on a computer hat home; but they don't use it. They can turn on their work computer and click on the icon to open the work program and that's the extent of their computer skills. And this is certainly not uncommon.

 

[chrysalis]

We are all capable of change, it's just that most of us are stubborn and try to resist it, this is in our nature, but change is good and it leads to new innovations and improves productivity, people and coporates need to just bite the bullet and deal with it.

change is not always good at all.

please tell me how training staff instead of them working is productive?

also a few of the changes made to the windows gui drop productivity.

want examples?

windows no longer remembers windows positions and sizes. so after reboots, app relaunches etc. the user has to position the windows again.

quick launch is more productive than sticking apps to the new taskbar, the launch icons are always in the same place on the left instead of been moved to a new position depending on what apps are running.

control panel has significant changes, now most employees would not be expected to be in their but if they are will be lost time looking for things.

new explorer interface is in my opinion inferior to the one in windows xp. new behaviour of making menus hidden by default would also cause issues for people not used to it.

Plain and simple the prime reason for gui changes in every windows update is so people see changes otherwise the questions been asked would be why are people spending money on a new windows OS. This is proven when we get people who post on forums saying they have worked hard to make window seven/vista look like the XP gui then people slam them saying then why upgrade? those people think the gui is thats all of the new OS not all of the inner working changes.

Microsoft seem to never learn for the corporate users, they scratch their heads and think why dont those damn business customers upgrade office and windows. The reason is they hate interface changes. Ribbon will be scaring them off from office. Microsoft if they made choice, ie. added options to have either legacy XP gui or windows seven new gui then they would have been onto a winner to both markets. However they prefer to try and force change of user habits instead of offering choice. In office 2007 same problems, suddenly when I hit enter it does 2 lines instead of one, diferent default font etc. A big no no for a work environment. You can change to word 2003 behaviour in the options but there is a bug which stops the setting sticking, ouch.

 

[whs]

If you don't have an open mind and time to explore, you should go by the old saying: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". But the technology advances will force some of the old systems to be replaced (if one wants to use that new technology). There is nothing wrong driving around in a Ford Model T if all you need it for is to go to the supermarket.