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James Murdoch: illegal downloading no different from stealing a handbag

News Corporation Europe and Asia chief calls for tough line on piracy, adding: 'They're not crazy kids. No. Punish them'

James Murdoch today called on governments to get tough on illegal downloading, which he said was no different from "going into a store and stealing Pringles or a handbag".

Murdoch, the chairman and chief executive of News Corporation's European and Asian operations, was joined in calling for tougher piracy measures at the Abu Dhabi Media Summit today by other media executives including Ari Emanuel, co-chief executive of William Morris Endeavor, the biggest Hollywood talent agency.
James Murdoch: illegal downloading no different from stealing a handbag | Media | guardian.co.uk
 

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Nice read...thanks Kari!
 

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Lets take bets on how many posts before somebody gets banned or the thread gets locked :p

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I believe some of you know my opinion in this matter. I just had to post this, totally aware of what kind of responses it might get ;)

EDIT: I promise to behave!
 

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I don't advocate piracy, but in some cases, trying out something before you buy it can save you from spending money on something that wasn't worth it. Back in '04, a friend passed along a copy of Half-Life 2, a torrented copy. It wad amazing. It was so good I went out and bought the Half-Life 2 + DM DVD and now own many Valve games on Steam legitimately. Unfortunately that's rarely the case for most people, and it's the sad truth that actual customers are the ones who are hurt by DRM, and not pirates. For example, Ubisoft has DRM on their latest games, requiring a constant Internet connection to play and to save. A few days a go their servers crashes, and people weren't able to play their games. It's the same thing with DVD releases. A pirate puts in a movie, it plays. A consumer puts in a movie, they're forced to look at an FBI warning for 10 seconds, then watch a bunch of unnecessary trailers, and finally navigate an overly-animated menu just to hit play. I have a diagram for this but I'm on my phone.
 

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Still, interesting especially when you consider the power News Corp wields. Creating a firewall guardian regarding their news content - vis-a-vis Google News - is something Murdoch is also keen on doing. Be an interesting fight to watch and how Google reacts. And in addition they seem adamant on creating paid for content (news information should not be taken for read as free I think Murdoch said) - The Times and WSJ newspapers. The Financial Times has already started doing so I believe.
 

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Still, interesting especially when you consider the power News Corp wields. Creating a firewall guardian regarding their news content - vis-a-vis Google News - is something Murdoch is also keen on doing. Be an interesting fight to watch and how Google reacts. And in addition they seem adamant on creating paid for content (news information should not be taken for read as free I think Murdoch said) - The Times and WSJ newspapers. The Financial Times has already started doing so I believe.

Slightly OT -- but for news you can use the BBC website for FREE and its probably better and more informed than any of the Murdoch stuff.

With regard to piracy -- I don't advocate it -- but like all these things there's ALWAYS a BUT.

Say I buy a DVD --to play on a Laptop --which IS designed for travelling.

Now I visit the USA quite regularly -- so why do I have to have the stupid regional encoding on a DVD (Reg 1 in the USA, 2 in Europe) which means that I can't play a DVD on the laptop if I buy a DVD while in the USA.

Of course I'll turn to "alternative sources" who've copied the DVD and made it Region 0 or Region Free.

A lot of the music / film people have shot themselves in the foot with their paranoia over copy protection. - In any case the tighter they say the algorithm is the more challenge it is for people to break it -- even though some of these hackers actually don't want to make money out of it - they are doing this just because they think they CAN do it.

On the bad side it encourages full scale commercial piracy - the profits of which go to enforce some of the more depraving activities of people's human nature.

Whilst not eliminating piracy in total a huge amount could be got rid of at a stroke by eliminating a lot of the unnecessary restrictions which plague digital entertainment.

After all Open Source software hasn't killed commercially developed software either - so opening up music / film products won't necessarily mean big losses for the producers -- sensibly priced products without huge playing restrictions will probably net them more profits than by continuing with the present policy of trying to police everything that moves.

Some digital music providers have actually discovered by allowing UNCOMPRESSED music format DRM free makes them MORE money than the old model ever did -- pity the "big players" can't see this too.

They've only themselves to blame -- and in any technological fight the "individual hackers" will always WIN over big corporations with their large management structures who can't change plans mid flight or get new hardware without going through endless management "strategy" and "planning" meetings -- the problem they are trying to solve will be obsolete even before it has finished the design stage.

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"Hollywood"

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"The idea that there's a new consumer class and you have to be consumer-friendly when they're stealing stuff. No. There should be the same level of sanctity as there is around property. Content is no different. They're not crazy kids. No. Punish them."

These guys must be light headed from their flying or high.

The same laws protecting their current content also protects it anywhere regardless if its on the internet, in a shop or where ever else it is.

If you build a shop without walls you can expect people to come walking in and steal things but complaining about it and trying to get governments todo something about people stealing from your wall-less/window-less shop is a bit rich.

Why should governments do anything? If these corporations want to stop piracy they should protect their content better, Its not the governments job to protect a private citizins or company's work or property.

If the government does this then everyone and their dog will be paying to protect these corporations interests at our expense, They already require restrictive DRM conten so what else do they want and what are they really after?
 
Haha nicely said dmex, and I see you're a fellow Aussie too. I do believe that the responsiblity lies within the company who own the software to put restrictions on it's use, effictively stopping pirating. I hate pirating i always have.

To me it's the worst thing one can do with the internet - it's stealing and I honestly believe that if it's illegal - then you should get caught and be punished for it. I don't like the idea that's what the internet has become but let's face it it has become just that - easy access to steal software without having to pay for it.

At least with my connection - i block all of those damaging sites that promote pirtating, so no way can any friends waste my bandwith to download illegal cracked software. I always make sure that I suggest if you want a copy of it - try a 30 day trial and do your homework before you buy. Problem solved.
 

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I'd have to say the best and least-intrusive DRM format I've encountered ever is Steam. It doesn't look like DRM and doesn't act like DRM. It let's you back up and restore your games, even if you bought a digital download. Plus, you can also re-download everything to as many computers as you want. And it works offline too incase you want to have a LAN game with one copy of the game on multiple computers. If everyone trusted and treated
their customers like Valve does, the world would be a better place.
 

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James Murdoch: illegal downloading no different from stealing a handbag

News Corporation Europe and Asia chief calls for tough line on piracy, adding: 'They're not crazy kids. No. Punish them'

James Murdoch today called on governments to get tough on illegal downloading, which he said was no different from "going into a store and stealing Pringles or a handbag".

Murdoch, the chairman and chief executive of News Corporation's European and Asian operations, was joined in calling for tougher piracy measures at the Abu Dhabi Media Summit today by other media executives including Ari Emanuel, co-chief executive of William Morris Endeavor, the biggest Hollywood talent agency.
James Murdoch: illegal downloading no different from stealing a handbag | Media | guardian.co.uk

A good read and I agree.
 

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They have Pringles in Abu Dhabi?
 

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"The idea that there's a new consumer class and you have to be consumer-friendly when they're stealing stuff. No. There should be the same level of sanctity as there is around property. Content is no different. They're not crazy kids. No. Punish them."

These guys must be light headed from their flying or high.

The same laws protecting their current content also protects it anywhere regardless if its on the internet, in a shop or where ever else it is.

If you build a shop without walls you can expect people to come walking in and steal things but complaining about it and trying to get governments todo something about people stealing from your wall-less/window-less shop is a bit rich.

Why should governments do anything? If these corporations want to stop piracy they should protect their content better, Its not the governments job to protect a private citizins or company's work or property.

If the government does this then everyone and their dog will be paying to protect these corporations interests at our expense, They already require restrictive DRM conten so what else do they want and what are they really after?


Hi DMEX

while of course you are right -- BUT a HUGE amount of the problem is caused by the restrictive nature placed on the use of products you've downloaded or purchased legally.

Of course you can present some legal argument to say that the consumer has agreed to the restrictive nature of the rights when purchasing the software etc but how would you feel about it if you bought a book that said you can ONLY read it in ONE BUS and that BUS is a 68 leaving xxxx at 17.10 on thursday evenings.

A lot of music / films have essentially very similar tightly controlled restrictions on them and it's THIS more than anything that causes a lot of piracy.

Stopping a few sub teens from copying files won't solve the problem -- it's large scale piracy emanating from China, Russia, Vietnam, India, Bangladesh and Pakistan that the producers should fear most.

Remove most of the DRM and restrictive use, price the products fairly, avoid staggered releases and problem is 90% solved.

You'll never eliminate piracy completely but if you can kick the pros into touch then you've solved the biggest problem.

You don't need to have a bigger than peanut sized brain to realize with face book, you tube etc etc that releasing a movie or TV program in one country MONTHS before another just doesn't work anymore.

These old models might have worked years ago but with fast instant world wide Internet access the rules have changed.

In anycase whatever the movie / music industry does it won't stop file sharing -- even old fashioned Dinosaur technology will defeat Internet "snoopers" and the latest technology too -- people will just copy to media like DVD's / USB's etc etc and either "Swap" at school / club/ bar / work or use old fashioned "Snail Mail".

I'm sure it's the same in 'OZ - but in most countries even the Hand of God couldn't find an item of post once it's been sucked into the mail system until its been spewed out at the other end.

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If you build a shop without walls you can expect people to come walking in and steal things but complaining about it and trying to get governments todo something about people stealing from your wall-less/window-less shop is a bit rich.

IMO, talking about intellectual property, all measures taken to block illegal copying and downloading are the walls of the shop.
 

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I dont think getting caught is what people dont like about this, they know the risks. I think its more along the lines of people dont want to pay the High prices set by the industry so they simply say "if they are gonna over charge we are not gonna buy there product". And whether its wrong or not you cant really blame them(look at some profit margins). Its more the idea and i think lot of people over look that.

I would be willing to bet if they lowered the price of cd's and movies, sales would go up and pirating would go down and because its pretty safe to say sales would go up if the price droped. They would pry end up bringing in more money when its all said and done.
 

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I dont think getting caught is what people dont like about this, they know the risks. I think its more along the lines of people dont want to pay the High prices set by the industry so they simply say "if they are gonna over charge we are not gonna buy there product".
I honestly think it's more opportunistic behavior: 'I can steal this, nobody is ever going to find out'.

Computers cost a lot, too, but because it's almost 100% sure they get you if you try to walk from a PC store with a new laptop without paying it, you'll pay what the store asks.


And whether its wrong or not you cant really blame them(look at some profit margins). Its more the idea and i think lot of people over look that.
I think we should blame them. Whether an OS, a computer, a boat, a motorcycle, if it's too expensive don't get it. Search an alternative. For instance, nobody is forced to use Windows. Linux is free.

The owner of my local pub is a friend, we talk quite often 'shop', about the difficulties of being an entrepreneur in today's Europe. He has told me the best profit comes from food and non-alcoholic beverages. A cup of cappuccino there costs €2.50, gross profit about 85%. Should I sneak behind the counter and steel my coffee, thinking I'm just protesting his high profit marginal?

Electronics, cars, clothes, etc. Let's steal because the manufacturers make big profits?


I would be willing to bet if they lowered the price of cd's and movies, sales would go up and pirating would go down and because its pretty safe to say sales would go up if the price droped. They would pry end up bringing in more money when its all said and done.
You can buy music CD's today so cheap, it shows the flaws in this kind of thinking. People are still downloading illegal copies of CD's they could buy with a few bucks.

At least here in Europe, you can find legal copies of XP today with €20 - 25, but the online forums are full of people asking where and how to get one for free.

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You do make some good points and i see what your saying. Stealing is not right, i agree. But i also dont think it makes you a bad person for pirating either. I think if the industry dont want the stuff downloaded they should take measures themselves so that there stuff cant be downloaded. But i will say, i think price does play a part in it. Where i live its $15 dollors for a CD and $20-$25 for a Blue ray movie, and with todays economy that is kinda a lot.

I second the part about searching for alternatives though. Like when i want to hear some music, instead of buying a cd ill just play it on youtube (its always available)
 

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You do make some good points and i see what your saying. Stealing is not right, i agree. But i also dont think it makes you a bad person for pirating either. I think if the industry dont want the stuff downloaded they should take measures themselves so that there stuff cant be downloaded. But i will say, i think price does play a part in it. Where i live its $15 dollors for a CD and $20-$25 for a Blue ray movie, and with todays economy that is kinda a lot.

Pirating doesn't make you a bad person. There are legitimate reasons to pirate, or...pseudo-pirate. Apple, for example, doesn't allow you to test out Appstore apps. Google, on the other hand, has a 24-hour return policy for applications. As long as you delete them, you get your money back. How else would you know what you're paying for? The industry is taking measures, but these measures don't work and just end up hurting honest consumers. Pirates have no problem cutting through DRM.
 

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