copy of xp on computer.. can I install under virtual pc

[Lanthus20]

Ok so I have the current situation

I bought a windows xp machine about 2 years ago. Happy user all is good. I still have the disc that came with it.

Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Description: This bootable recovery DVD will enable to restore the operating system.

so I was wondering.. if I delete my current xp partition then I will have erased my copy of it. That should allow me to install another right? So would it
A. Be possible with just this disc.
B. Be legal?

thanks. I'm new to this stuff so just ask if you need any more info.

I also found this. Should I just use this? Disk2vhd

 

[Kari]

(A) Yes
(B) Yes

Both options work just fine. You can install XP from your disk to Virtual PC. You have 30 days time to evaluate and activate, so plenty of time to decide if it's safe to delete the XP Partition.

Creating a vhd (Virtual Hard Disk) with Disk2vhd and mount it to Virtual PC is simple and straight forward procedure. The image vhd it creates loses activation data, but it's like with fresh install, you get 30 days time to activate.

Whatever you decide, come back if you have any questions.

Kari

 

[Lanthus20]

thanks Kari, I'll try I guess.

Whenever I try to download windows xp mode it has an update for me to install. The update failed and I can't download it any ideas for this?

 

[whs]

Kari, are you sure. This is probably an OEM XP which has to stay with the mobo.

 

[Kari]

Kari, are you sure. This is probably an OEM XP which has to stay with the mobo.

A very good point.

If it is OEM, it at least needs to be activated by phone because of total change of hardware configuration (physical hw vs. emulated virtual hw).

Anyway, I think that explaining the situation to Microsoft would let him to activate. Hardware change would be only theoretical because computer itself is the same.

A 30 day evaluation period luckily gives time to find out the outcome.

Kari

 

[whs]

Yeah, that could work - if it is the same PC (which was not clear from the posting).

 

[Kari]

Yeah, that could work - if it is the same PC (which was not clear from the posting).

I don't know what I am talking now! He clearly says it's another rig he wants to install it. It means you are right, whs.

Lanthus, my original answer to your question is valid only if your XP is a normal retail version. If it is an OEM version, you most probably can not use it to insatll XP on virtual machine on another computer.

I am very sorry giving misleading information in case your XP is OEM.

Thanks, whs!

Kari

 

[Lanthus20]

Here is the situation.

I had xp on my computer. It is OEM. Then when 7 came out I partitioned my hard drive and put 7 on one half. Now I'm trying to get xp mode to work. If it's oem I guess I can't though?

Also the installer isn't working for me. I go to the microsoft website and select my system info (Windows 7 ultimate, 32 bit) and click on the first button. It asks me to install a security update which I do, but it always fails. So it won't even let me download xp mode.

 

[MilesAhead]

Has anyone experienced verified that you need an OS partition by itself on C: to be converted into an image or is it just that stuff won't boot because it doesn't like me?

Is it a waste of time if you have multiple OS on one HD to try to make an image from the non C: partition?

What's the skinny?

 

[whs]

Has anyone experienced verified that you need an OS partition by itself on C: to be converted into an image or is it just that stuff won't boot because it doesn't like me?

Is it a waste of time if you have multiple OS on one HD to try to make an image from the non C: partition?

What's the skinny?

My guess would be that you can make an image of an OS partition from another OS on the system. But when you restore, it may not restore the MBR - thus not boot. As I said, this is my guess, I have never tried that.

 

[MilesAhead]

Has anyone experienced verified that you need an OS partition by itself on C: to be converted into an image or is it just that stuff won't boot because it doesn't like me?

Is it a waste of time if you have multiple OS on one HD to try to make an image from the non C: partition?

What's the skinny?

My guess would be that you can make an image of an OS partition from another OS on the system. But when you restore, it may not restore the MBR - thus not boot. As I said, this is my guess, I have never tried that.

Sorry, my question was vague. What I mean is, if I have a dual boot on one physical drive, all the attempts I've made to create a Virtual Machine with Virtual Box using an image made from either OS partition have failed. I'm just wondering if it only works if you have plain vanilla C: with one OS on it and make an image from that.

So far with VirtualBox the only VM to successfully boot is one made from an XP install CD. At this point it's just curiosity more than anything. I don't really need to run a VM. I'm just wondering why it seems some systems crank one out in 5 minutes and other's it's next to impossible.

If I was going to use it at all I'd rather not have to do 2 weeks worth of program installs. That kind of kills off the fun.

 

[Kari]

Sorry, my question was vague. What I mean is, if I have a dual boot on one physical drive, all the attempts I've made to create a Virtual Machine with Virtual Box using an image made from either OS partition have failed. I'm just wondering if it only works if you have plain vanilla C: with one OS on it and make an image from that.
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Two possible fixes if you are interested to try:

(1) Mount the problem vhd as a second hard drive to a working XP virtual machine (I understood you have one, created with install CD).

Find and copy file hal.dll from virtual machine's boot drive C: to the second drive, folder is Root:Windows\System32.

Shut down the virtual machine, unmount second drive, mount it to a new virtual machine and try if it boots.

OR:

(2) Boot the problem virtual machine from XP install CD. Start Recovery Console from Welcome to Setup screen (press R ).

Login with administrator password of the virtual machine (same as the XP the system image was created from). Make System32 directory active (command: cd c:\windows\system32).

Type: expand d:\i386\halacpi.dl_ and hit Enter.
Type: copy halacpi.dll hal.dll and hit Enter, hit Y to give permission to overwrite

After both alternative (1) and (2):

Exit and reboot. Update the drivers, reboot one more time and install VirtualBox Guest Additions.

One more reboot and you should be ready to go.

Kari

 

[MilesAhead]

Seems I can never get straight info about the source image. Perhaps making an nLite disc is more attuned to what I want. I'll check that out.

 

[Kari]

One point i forgot from my earlier post:

I've had to do that hal.dll thing (using recovery consol) every single time I've used an XP image done from a dual boot system. This has every time solved the issue.

Kari

 

[MilesAhead]

Thanks Kari. I'm more or less just trying to get a feel if I want to pursue this in the future. I just put c# on my Vista system and it's slow slogging with blurred forms, so I guess I was looking for an easy diversion. Seems like not much is simple anymore... 'cept maybe a 4 line AutoIt3 program.

 

[MilesAhead]

One point i forgot from my earlier post:

I've had to do that hal.dll thing (using recovery consol) every single time I've used an XP image done from a dual boot system. This has every time solved the issue.

Kari

Maybe you can help me out with a bit of insight. I have an XP VM running on Vista64. But I have 2 network problems. The first is, the first VM I attempted didn't work so I deleted it, the dummy network node from that is still in the workgroup.
Don't know how to delete it.

The second problem is, I can see the files on the VM from the host PC, I can see the files on Windows Seven on the same workgroup, but when I try to access the files on the host PC from the VM using Network Neighborhood, I get a login dialog. I don't have any password setup in any of the networking. All firewalls are disabled.

I feel like I'm almost there because I can access the internet(I'm using the VM with firefox here posting) at nearly full speed, and I can access 2 out of the 3 machines in the workgroup. Just a couple of flies in the ointment.

Thanks for any pointers(I would have posted in Vista forum but there's no dedicated virtualization subforum.)

edit: got most of it. All I have to do to browse the folder on the host is enter a user name with no password. Not that big a deal. The only thing still elusive is the shared folder bit that's supposed to work with
"net use x: \\vboxsvr\sharename or sometimes it's said \\vboxsrv\sharename but either gets "network path not found"

edit2: nevermind. the hell with the shared folder. I'll just use the network.

 

[Kari]

Miles, please let me say this: those 'edit's' made me laugh. I can see you are trying!

How to remove a non-existing computer from a workgroup is something I do not have an answer. I know how to remove a computer from when it still exists, you just change the workgroup on that computer. I'll look if I can find something.

Which NIC your VM is using? Can you see host's drives on VM's My Computer?

Kari

 

[MilesAhead]

Miles, please let me say this: those 'edit's' made me laugh. I can see you are trying!

How to remove a non-existing computer from a workgroup is something I do not have an answer. I know how to remove a computer from when it still exists, you just change the workgroup on that computer. I'll look if I can find something.

Which NIC your VM is using? Can you see host's drives on VM's My Computer?

Kari

Hi. Thanks for the help. I think I have it now as good as I can expect. Too soon to mess around with advanced stuff. For instance, if I map the Public folder on the host machine and set it to auto login when XP comes up, when I click on it, there's a small delay, then it pops up a login dialog. But I only have to put in username. So once a session. No big deal. I did get rid of the phantom network neighborhood denizen. Looks like I had storage still associated with the first attempted VM. I just deleted that and the shadow went away. Actually works pretty good. I enabled 2D acceleration but now I think I'll go for 3D. I know a guy on another board did all this just so he could tweak it for months, get all his apps perfect... then made an image and put it on a physical C: drive. That's being meticulous!!

The reason it took 2 attempts is I used nLite. Never got that to work before. I tried to trim too much stuff off. The second time I left everything on except for games and internet games. No squawks.

I got a USB 3.0 card today. So I think the VM will be on the back burner while I set up how to power all these docking stations and external drives with battery backup. If Satan came by and threatened me I'd just say, "you think you've got hell? Just take a look at the wires under my desk over there!"

 

[Kari]

Good to know it's working.

 

[MilesAhead]

Thanks for all the suggestions.