need suggestion to select right wattage psu

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currently i got 400watts psu .
my sys specs are amd 7750
gigabyte ga 78mh mb
igp 3200
hd 500+240+160 sata and one ide 40gb hd
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2 80mm fan

but recently my sys switches off automatically and guessd psu maynot able to deliver required power. and one power connector to mb is melted(plastic case)
now i want suggestion in selecting new psu

shall i go for some branded 400watts itself or
should i opt for higher wattage psu say 450 or 500watts (sorry for bad english as i posted from mobile)
 

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eXtreme PSU Calculator

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And a calculator from Antec:
Antec Power Supply Calculator

My philosophy is that if I'm replacing a component I might as well upgrade. So I would look at the cost of a larger supply and if it is reasonably close to the price of a straight-across replacement I would go for the improvement.

Your symptoms can also be caused by overheating.

And a power connector that has melted at the motherboard? You need to address why that has happened right away.
 

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I agree with both responders above (note the Antec calculator is really the eXtreme calculator). But if you follow the instructions, you only get the minimum recommended for your current hardware. Therefore I recommend a few settings so you can get a PSU that will support you through several upgrades for years to come. Here's my canned text on sizing using the eXtreme calculator:

Use the eXtreme PSU Calculator Lite to determine your minimum power supply unit (PSU) requirements. Plug in all the hardware you think you might have in 2 or 3 years (extra drives, bigger or 2nd video card, more RAM, etc.). Be sure to read and heed the notes at the bottom of the page. I recommend setting Capacitor Aging to 30%, and if you participate in distributive computing projects (e.g. BOINC or Folding@Home) or extreme 3D animated gaming, I recommend setting both TDP and system load to 100%. These steps ensure the supply has adequate head room for stress free (and perhaps quieter) operation, and future hardware demands. Research your video card and pay particular attention to the power supply requirements for your card listed on your video card maker's website. If not listed, check a comparable card (same graphics engine and RAM) from a different maker. The key specifications, in order of importance are:
  1. Current (amperage or amps) on the +12V rail,
  2. Efficiency,
  3. Total wattage.
Don’t try to save a few dollars by getting a cheap supply! Digital electronics, including CPUs, RAM, and today's advanced graphics cards, need clean, stable power. A good, well chosen supply will provide years of service and upgrade wiggle room. Look for power supply brands listed under the "Good" column of PC Mechanic's PSU Reference List. Note that some case retailers “toss in” a generic or inadequate PSU just to make the case sale. Be prepared to “toss out” that supply for a good one with sufficient power.

Most PSUs have an efficiency rating of around 70%. This means for every 100 watts of power a PSU draws from the wall, only 70 watts is delivered to the motherboard, with the rest wasted in the form of heat. The best supplies are 85 to 90% efficient, and as expected, cost more. I strongly recommend you pick a quality supply with an efficiency rating equal to or greater than 80%. Look for 80 Plus - EnergyStar Compliant labels.

Too big of a PSU hurts nothing but your budget. Your computer will draw from the PSU only what it needs, not what the PSU is capable of delivering. If a computer needs 300 watts it will draw 300 watts regardless if the PSU is a 350W, 650W, or 1000W PSU. In turn, the PSU, regardless its size will draw from the wall only what it needs to support the computer. In this example, it will draw 300 watts, plus another 45 – 90 watts, depending on the PSU’s inefficiency.

As noted, the eXtreme Calculator determines the minimum requirements. If the calculator (with the changes I suggested) recommends a 400 watt minimum, a quality 400W supply will serve you just fine. But a quality 550W – 600W supply will have, among other things, larger heat sinks to dissipate potentially more heat. It might have a larger fan too. The 400W supply will run most of the time closer to capacity, while the larger supply will be loafing along, rarely breaking a sweat. To help the smaller heat sinks get rid of the wasted 80 watts (20% of 400) of heat, the fan in the 400W supply may need to run full speed, while the fan in the larger supply, with bigger sinks just loafs along too – but in near silence.

Don't forget to budget for a good UPS with AVR (automatic voltage regulation). Surge and spike protectors are inadequate.
 

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thanks for the suggestions it helped me a lot
i used 30% capacitor ageing and got around 550Watts which is clearly way short of my current psu 400watts

add on increased after i assembled the config .found corsair 600 watts will be ok!!!

i just want to know few things

why the power connector from psu to mother board is melted(plastic case) 4pin!!! is it because of psu?
now my systems works but all of sudden it switches off(it doesnt even give any warning)!!!

if i get a high wattage psu (600watts) will both the prob solved!!!

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why the power connector from psu to mother board is melted(plastic case) 4pin!!! is it because of psu?
now my systems works but all of sudden it switches off(it doesnt even give any warning)!!!

The melted plastic is a problem that goes far beyond the usual power supply issues. The only way the plastic could melt is if there is either resistance so great that the metal contacts become red hot - like a toaster, or there is arcing (sparks jumping a gap). Neither are good and both are a fire hazard. This could be caused because the connector was not fully seated into the socket and not making good contacts, or the socket or connector were/are deformed.

If the plastic that is melted is on the male connector from the power supply, and the female socket on the motherboard is un-melted and clean, then replacing the power supply will also replace the connector and if the new connector fits correctly into the socket then it would solve this issue (melted parts).

If the socket on the motherboard is melted then unfortunately you may need a new motherboard. (If you are handy with a solder gun you could attempt to replace the socket, but in most cases - not an option).

if i get a high wattage psu (600watts) will both the prob solved!!!

Both problems could be caused by the faulty connection. That is why I said that you need to address that issue first. Not only could it be all that is wrong, but it is hazardous and should be fixed straight away.

Once the faulty connection is addressed then you will retest the system to see if any issues persist.

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The only way the plastic could melt is if there is either resistance so great that the metal contacts become red hot
Ummm, no, actually, that is "bass ackwards". If the resistance is great, you, in effect, have an "open" circuit and like turning off a switch, you stop all current flow. If current is not flowing, you have no friction, thus no heat.

But as Ohm's Law tells us, when resistance goes down, current goes up. So if there is a "short" (0 or near 0 ohms or no resistance) in the circuit somewhere, too much current will be drawn through the circuit and the connector. When current goes up, many more electrons are zipping along banging into each other and the conductor, creating lots of heat, and in this case, extreme heat for that connector.

If the plastic that is melted is on the male connector from the power supply, and the female socket on the motherboard is un-melted and clean, then replacing the power supply will also replace the connector and if the new connector fits correctly into the socket then it would solve this issue (melted parts).

If the socket on the motherboard is melted then unfortunately you may need a new motherboard. (If you are handy with a solder gun you could attempt to replace the socket, but in most cases - not an option).
The problem is, replacing the melted parts does not fix the "short". Working power supplies only deliver what is demanded of them. That is, a 1000W supply does not pump out 1000W because it can, it pumps out what the "load" is demanding. So if a connector on the motherboard saw so much current it melted the connector, that is a clear indication something on the motherboard has shorted out, and is drawing excessive current. In other words, while your PSU may be bad, I suspect the motherboard is too.

It takes more than being handy with a solder iron (a soldering gun would be WAY to hot, and the tip way to big for any precision work, BTW). Motherboards are multi-layered PCBs (printed circuit boards), typically with 3 or 4 layers (strata) of signal traces and circuitry.

:o I must apologize for not picking up on the "melted" connector comment in your opening post. That gives me concern there is still something wrong with the motherboard, or a device that is powered through the motherboard, such as a card, or the CPU.
now my systems works but all of sudden it switches off(it doesnt even give any warning)!!!
How long does it work before switching off?
 

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I too missed the reference to the melted connector! As Digerati says, that is likely caused by at least an intermittant short, causing too much current draw. A Guy
 

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I retract my original post as I am clearly incorrect. One does not argue with another member who has been granted the most exalted MVP status. I am clearly wrong, and I have wasted years of schooling in both electrical theory and electronics, and have basically wasted 25 years of my life in the practice of these flawed arts.

Thank you.
 
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I also have this info from our resident guru Paul on another newsgroup I frequent:

"Are you careful to mate the latches on the power connector(s)?

The connectors can "thermal walk-out" from the motherboard. As the
connector gets warm, it expands a bit. Over hundreds of power cycles,
power connectors can gradually work themselves out of the socket.
The latch on the 2x2 and main power connectors, is intended to snap
together, to keep the contacts fully engaged, and prevent walkout.
Once the connector walks out, the badly made connection arcs and
heats up, damaging the pins.

It could also be a problem with the Vcore circuit itself, or even
a partial short on the CPU side of the circuit. That could cause
an abnormal level of current flow on the 12V.

Even extreme overclocking, could burn the pins. An example would be
a D 805 overclocked to 4GHz, which draws well over 200 watts.

Paul
"

*********

For the OP:
You have 2 issues that need to be worked out:
1) The damaged connector(s) must be corrected.
2) The reason the connector became damaged must be determined.

As Digarati says, you may be dealing with a defective motherboard. But there is a small possibility that you may be lucky and the problem is only a poor connection.

The hope is that you can replace just one component to make the repair. This is, of course, providing the connector and socket are not both damaged. If they are both melted and damaged beyond repair then you are looking at a new power supply and a new motherboard.

Pictures of the connector and the socket would go a long way towards someone being able to tell you if they are beyond repair.
 

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get a 750 wat psu its plenty power for ur needs
 

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If the plastic that is melted is on the male connector from the power supply, and the female socket on the motherboard is un-melted and clean, then replacing the power supply will also replace the connector and if the new connector fits correctly into the socket then it would solve this issue (melted parts).
yeah the connector from PSU is melted clearly indicating problem with PSU

the motherboard preventing it from further damage by switching off the system

i guess.


PSU from cooler-master got 2 rails of +12 volts and psu's from corsair

got single rails +12v both are around 40 amps

so which should i select , single rails(corsair) or dual rail(cooler master)
 

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No. Not exactly.

Your description of the effect of Ohm's law is correct, but you are forgetting something. If you have a resistance in the connector, it impedes the flow of electrons, yes. But the end result is that the connection itself becomes a resistor. Resistors are made in different power ratings for a reason, as current flow across a resistance generates heat.
No! What I said (and you quoted it) was exactly right! Note that I was responding to the comment about "resistance so great that the metal contacts become red hot". Please do NOT take what I say out of context.

And you are making assumptions you can't. You talk about resistance in a connector, then that is a bad connection or connector which would have been a problem from the beginning. Or, if it worked loose due to expansion and contraction (along with vibrations from motors and heavy footfalls) - which again, means the connector was not properly secured in the first place, then the motherboard would be shutting down at the interruptions and instability of the essential 12V power, or the PSU would be shutting down after the first arc or so.

That said, if there was arcing, that is simple to determine. Look at the contacts. In DC arcing, the arc is always in the same direction, so black pit marks would be apparent on the metal.

Don't get me wrong - I hope you are right and it is just a bad connector - perhaps a loose wire inside making contact with an adjacent wire - but I think the odds are against that. I don't see a lose connection arcing so much with only 12V potential to cause the plastics to melt. I think that type heat can only be caused by sustained excessive current - which means a near-short somewhere.
raj1402 said:
yeah the connector from PSU is melted clearly indicating problem with PSU
No it does not. You are assuming both the male and female sides of the connection are made of the exact same materials with the exact same melting point characteristics. That is highly unlikely - especially since the PSU and motherboard are made by different manufacturers. You have to look at the entire circuit, not just the component that fried.

PSU from cooler-master got 2 rails of +12 volts and psu's from corsair

got single rails +12v both are around 40 amps

so which should i select , single rails(corsair) or dual rail(cooler master)
I prefer single rails but both are good makers - and that is key to buying a good PSU. The problem with multiple rails is that some reserve must always be set aside for each rail while a single rail keeps all available power available. This has nothing to do with quality of the PSU, or the quality of the power it delivers. But it does mean you may have to buy a bigger multi-rail to ensure you have enough on each rail. It also means the multi-rail system has more parts - therefore more opportunities for something to fail.

Also, of the Corsairs I have used, and that's been several, compared to the Cooler Masters I've seen, the Corsairs tend to be much quieter.
 

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I retract my original post as I am clearly incorrect. One does not argue with another member who has been granted the most exalted MVP status. I am clearly wrong, and I have wasted years of schooling in both electrical theory and electronics, and have basically wasted 25 years of my life in the practice of these flawed arts.

Thank you.
 
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I did the math, and as long as I did it properly, you are partially correct. Based on a dead short on a PSU rail supplying 12V at 20 Amps, an approximately 24" wire would have it's temperature rise to more than 6500 degrees Celcius in one second, or 6.5 degrees C per millisecond.
Oh? Well, not sure how you determine that without knowing the current capability of the conductor. And without knowing at least the diameter or gauge of the wire, and composition of the conductive materials, I don't see how you can determine that capability. And sadly, the ATX Form Factor Power Supply Design Guide does not require specific wire sizes - it only recommends. So who knows what size wires are used in that supply? But either way, it is not important to this topic.

It would take a tremendously bad power supply design for this to happen in the real world, I would think,
Ummm, you mean like the $10 no-name generic PSUs many users buy to save money, or many case retailers "toss in" to make the case sale? Sadly, catastrophic failures, where the PSU takes out everything plugged into it, is not that rare, and all the more reason to buy from a major maker.
 

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Gigabyte P55-UD4P
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Mushkin 4x2Gb PC12800
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Integrated 7.1 HD Dolby
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Corsair TX-750W
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Ultra M998
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OEM
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MS Wireless Comfort 5000
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Cable and pretty darn fast
thanks for the suggestion i got cooler master extereme power 600 watts!!!
(yeah i checkd with them and mother board isnt affected so got new psu)
 

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Gigabyte GA78MA s2h
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ATI HD 3200 IGP
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Seagate 1 TB
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Logitech
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Logitech
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Airtel DSL 2Mbps
So is it all working now?
 

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Intel Core i7-860 Quad
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Mushkin 4x2Gb PC12800
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Gigabyte GTX260 896Mb
Sound Card
Integrated 7.1 HD Dolby
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2 Samsung 2220wm-HAS 22"
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WD HE 1Tb
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Ultra M998
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OEM
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MS Wireless Comfort 5000
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MS Wireless 5000
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Cable and pretty darn fast
Oh? Well, not sure how you determine that without knowing the current capability of the conductor. And without knowing at least the diameter or gauge of the wire, and composition of the conductive materials, I don't see how you can determine that capability. And sadly, the ATX Form Factor Power Supply Design Guide does not require specific wire sizes - it only recommends. So who knows what size wires are used in that supply? But either way, it is not important to this topic.
Yeah, it isn't like I actually design and build electronic systems for a living. Y'know, for about 25 years. How could I possibly know what I'm talking about?

And don't lecture me about current capacity, and composition, etc. I did look up some specs before doing the math.

I've edited my original posts to clarify my lack of knowledge.
 

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PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Mellon Labs (custom build)
OS
Win 7 Pro x64/Win 10 Pro x64 dual boot
CPU
AMD FX 8350 Vishera @ 4200
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ASUS M5A97 R2.0
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16 GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3-2400 @ 1866 (9-10-10-10-31)
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XFX Radeon R9 280 Double D Black Edition
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Realtek HD Audio on MB. Sounds great.
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Acer 24", Acer 22"
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3840 x 1080
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1 x Mushkin Chronos 120 GB SSD (Win 10)
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1 x WD 1TB SATA Green
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Corsair TX-750
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CoolerMaster HAF 912+
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Coolermaster Seidon 240M Liquid AIO. 6 case fans
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Logitech G710+
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Logitech G500s
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Much better since I got fiber, but still way overpriced.
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MSE, Malware Bytes for scanning
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Firefox
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Corsair VOID USB headphones.

A Mellon Labs X-1 - LCD Smartie driven system status display.

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win 7 build 7600.16385 x64AMD Athlon Dual core 7750 2.7GHz4GB 800MhzATI HD 3200 IGP
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Custom Build
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win 7 build 7600.16385 x64
CPU
AMD Athlon Dual core 7750 2.7GHz
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA78MA s2h
Memory
4GB 800Mhz
Graphics Card(s)
ATI HD 3200 IGP
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer 15 inch
Screen Resolution
1280x720
Hard Drives
Seagate 1 TB
Keyboard
Logitech
Mouse
Logitech
Internet Speed
Airtel DSL 2Mbps
Congrats Raj:party:

I'm glad it was a "simple" fix. Be sure those power connector latches are good and tight!
 

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Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1i7-3820GSkill F3-14900CL9Q - 16GBEVGA GeForce GTX660 - Driver 352.86
Computer type
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Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home Built - Jan 2013
OS
Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1
CPU
i7-3820
Motherboard
Asus P9X79-PRO - Bios 4608
Memory
GSkill F3-14900CL9Q - 16GB
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GeForce GTX660 - Driver 352.86
Sound Card
On board Realtek ALC898
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Acer S271HL
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080
Hard Drives
#1- Samsung 840 Pro Series
#2- Western Digital WD1002FAEX Sata3 Black
#3- Western Digital WD1002FAEX Sata3 Black
PSU
Corsair CMPSU-850TX-V2 - 850 watt (by Seasonic)
Case
Corsair Obsidian 550D
Cooling
Standard 3 120mm case fans, Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Keyboard
MS KC-0405
Mouse
Intellimouse 5-button
Internet Speed
56 Mbits/Sec (on a good day)
Antivirus
Avast & Malwarebytes
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Firefox
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Asus DVD - DRW-24B1ST 24X
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