***PLEASE help: new hotmail and messenger

[yalemd]

Hi.

Today, my Hotmail account got upgraded and the entire hotmail page looks different from the previous one. It has more features and one of the feature is the AUTOMATIC Messenger log in.

When I got to hotmail.com and log in, it logs in my Messenger account automatically in the same tab. The new feature embeds the messenger into the hotmail.com website!!!

Because of this it logs in to my messenger EVERY TIME i check my email, and I dont want this to happen.

I've tried everything in the options and tried deleting Windows Live Messenger altogether. It did nothing because the messenger is EMBEDDED in the firefox page!

Does anyone know how to fix this??? Thank you so much!!!

 

[Night Hawk]

Hello yalemd Welcome to the Seven Forums!

This is easily fixed by first browsing near the top of the contacts list screen and clicking on the show menu bar option to make that visible. From there open the "menu bar>Tools>Options>sign in" item found in the left column of options. Simply uncheck the automatic sign in box as well as automatic login when Windows starts and even uncheck the "show Today screen" annoyance to solve that one fast.

The image here shows how those look once unchecked for a good reference in dealing with this since in the event Windows or just WLM is reinstalled again at some point you will be doing this all over again! Been there enough times!

 

[yalemd]

Thanks

Hello yalemd Welcome to the Seven Forums!

This is easily fixed by first browsing near the top of the contacts list screen and clicking on the show menu bar option to make that visible. From there open the "menu bar>Tools>Options>sign in" item found in the left column of options. Simply uncheck the automatic sign in box as well as automatic login when Windows starts and even uncheck the "show Today screen" annoyance to solve that one fast.

The image here shows how those look once unchecked for a good reference in dealing with this since in the event Windows or just WLM is reinstalled again at some point you will be doing this all over again! Been there enough times!

Hi there thanks for the reply!

Unfortunately, I've already done that and that is really not my issue

My issue does not deal with the Windows Live Messenger, but because of the web messenger in hotmail.com

Please look at the image attached where the red arrow is. When i type hotmail.com and enter my password, the web messenger starts logging in automatically (as you can see near the red arrow on top right hand side). I have spent hours trying to not let it sign in automatically, but it still does.

Even if i put "appear offline," it goes back to "online" when I close my firefox and log in again... When I click on "sign out of messenger" it is only temporary and it automatically logs in when i reopen hotmail.com. (Also this happens in BOTH IE8 and the newest FF)

Thanks so much for your help!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Night Hawk]

When entering into any Live page such as the inbox Messenger will start up to the point where you can sign in or close it out. This is to be expected with every WL type page since some pages will automatically require a Windows Live id. IE when on TechNet or connect will see this as well as when going into the Live Hotmai site.

The option for seeing WLM start when an IE requires it can be unchecked there but may hamper your normal login. That option is found in the Security tab when looking back at the image posted and scrolling down. The last item seen at the bottom when you have that open will be the "Open Windows Live Messenger when I click a link on a webpage..... blah blah balh" you can disable.

 

[roncerr]

...The option for seeing WLM start when an IE requires it...

I suspect he may not be using WLM or any other mail application. Hotmail can be used through the browser w/o an email program.

 

[Night Hawk]

The new hotmail is mainly the Live Hotmail now seen with the option of hotmail or live in the email address you set up. some at live or someone at hotmail when seeing a new Live id created.

You still need a Windows Live id however to log in and download the main installation files in order to install and use the Live Messenger since the rest is already online. The files installed are for the options like movie maker, photo sharing, etc. there not an actual on the drive email client like Windows Mail or Outlook.

When signing in while you have an IE window open that gets signed too. Messenger becomes active without being signed in however when going to the online inbox or certain MS sites where the Live id is required there. If not planning to go to one of those sites you simply uncheck the open WLM item so it won't start on you.

 

[roncerr]

... there not an actual on the drive email client like Windows Mail or Outlook...
...If not planning to go to one of those sites you simply uncheck the open WLM item...

How can you uncheck something in WLM if WLM was not downloaded and installed? I got the impression he is using Windows Live Hotmail not Windows Live Mail. In the Windows Live Essentials list of available programs, it looks like he only downloaded "Messenger" not "Mail".

 

[Night Hawk]

Each Live Essentials items is seen listed on one main screen when first signing up and selecting what will be downloaded and installed locally on the drive. The two images here show Messenger as a separate item while you still need to see an address for any email account and the Live id address(online account) entered in order to use the messenger service.

 

[roncerr]

Each Live Essentials items is seen listed on one main screen when first signing up and selecting what will be downloaded and installed locally on the drive. The two images here show Messenger as a separate item while you still need to see an address for any email account and the Live id address(online account) entered in order to use the messenger service.

Yes, you must have a Live ID to have Messenger but you don't need to have WLM. WLM is the downloadable "Mail" application. Hotmail is web based email for which you need a Live ID only. So I think one can have a Live ID, a downloadable Messenger, and web based Hotmail, all without WLM.

 

[Night Hawk]

As far as the mail part of all that when checking off the items to see installed you still have to go into "Start>All Programs>Windows Live" and click on the item there to bring up the configuration wizard as you can see in the image here.

Your present one or more WL id(s) will be found in the first item's dropdown list there when selecting the address you intend to import mail from. It works as well as WMail or OE or even TBird for grabbing mail from your inbox. But you need to check the mail item off when going to download any of the Live Essentials or go back to the download page to add more.

 

[Langston]

New hotmail "feature"

I don't believe the problem at hand has anything to do with Windows itself. I am running Safari on a Mac and I am having the same issue: Hotmail now has (what at least appears to me to be, though I'm not the most tech-savvy) an embedded MSN Messenger client. It automatically pops up when you log into Hotmail, and there don't appear to be ANY log-out or disabling options. This is incredibly frustrating when you just want to check your email and you get a flood of IM's from anyone on your list of email contacts. The best I could manage was to limit the field of contacts to friends, but could not eliminate the feature altogether.

I do not have messenger on my computer, but I do have a prior account linked to my Hotmail username ID. I do not use an external mail program on my hard drive to access my email. Neither of these is the issue.

If this wasn't the OP's issue, I apologize for the intrusion, but I suspect from the wording used that it most likely is.

 

[jcheong]

Solution Found

I've been checking out the web ever since the Wave4 upgrade and have finally found a solution.

1. Sign into Hotmail
2. Click on your name on the upper right hand corner of the page. It will show a menu.
3. From the menu, click on "Sign Out Messenger"

All credits goes to the poster at dslreports who found the solution!!
Windows Live Hotmail - Web Messenger - dslreports.com

 

[Night Hawk]

You can sign out but messenger will start up automatically when entering any Live page like your email inbox. That's how it is set up.

The download of the mail option however works similar to Outlook Express or Windows Mail there where you open up a screen on your desktop to see the mail downloaded from the mail server. It's only when you go onto a page online that messenger kicks in.

The Outlook option is also included in MS Office which solves the WLM opens on you automatically problem provided you get MS Office products to begin with. The other option is to go to your inbox and sign in while in another browser besides IE. Messenger only becomes active while reaching these pages while logging from IE not FF, Opera, Chrome, Netscape, Ice Weasel, or others.

 

[roncerr]

You can sign out but messenger will start up automatically when entering any Live page like your email inbox...

...Messenger only becomes active while reaching these pages while logging from IE not FF, Opera, Chrome, Netscape, Ice Weasel, or others.

I'm using IE 8, viewing my email in Hotmail on the web, and I have two sign-in options under "Messenger" but no sign out option since I'm not signed in. Normally I check my mail by signing in automatically with WLM (from the Live Essentials Package) but I never downloaded the Messenger option. Perhaps if I had downloaded it things would be different but I'm not using messenger yet.

 

[Night Hawk]

You can sign out but messenger will start up automatically when entering any Live page like your email inbox...

...Messenger only becomes active while reaching these pages while logging from IE not FF, Opera, Chrome, Netscape, Ice Weasel, or others.

I'm using IE 8, viewing my email in Hotmail on the web, and I have two sign-in options under "Messenger" but no sign out option since I'm not signed in. Normally I check my mail by signing in automatically with WLM (from the Live Essentials Package) but I never downloaded the Messenger option. Perhaps if I had downloaded it things would be different but I'm not using messenger yet.

You can still log into the account with another browser even without the messenger option installed. To use the WLM option of course you have to have contacts you can connect with to start with for live chat.

With WLM installed however the icon becomes active once you log in while in IE especially with the automatic open item checked off for pages that interact with messenger. This allows the alert notification of new mail to be seen when someone sends you mail while being logged into messenger.

 

[Langston]

Solved!

@jcheong

That solution worked perfectly. I logged out of messenger through the drop-down list under my name in the upper right corner, and it has remained logged out since then. Thanks a bunch.

 

[Yaysnowday]

@jcheong
Correct, that is the solution everyone is looking for!

@NightHawk
I don't understand what you were attemping to accomplish with all your posts, none of your replies offered any type of solution, just unsolicited, unwanted advertisement on WLS behalf.. If you don't know the answer, don't try to make it seem like you do.

@People looking for the CORRECT solution
To completely cut off WLS from WLApps, disable the Windows Live Add-On in IE by going to Tools -> Manage Addons. Under the "Show" field, select the Run without permissions option and scroll down to the "Windows Live" entry under Microsoft. The CID is {E13AAC70....} just to make sure you have the right one. Then restart IE.

jcheong's reply in this thread will mitigate the WLM "problem" most of us seem to be having.

I hope this helps people in the future who find this thread seeking a solution to this annoyance and clearly a violation of privacy.