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Windows 7: ATI MSI 5870 3DMark FAT Mouse and FullScreen Crashes

27 Oct 2009   #1
A320

Win 7 Ultimate x64
 
 
ATI MSI 5870 3DMark FAT Mouse and FullScreen Crashes

So having recently installed my new 5870 video card I was quite eager to start running some bench tests and checking out the results.

Initially I booted up Crysis Warhead and Flight Simulator X for a quick run and immediately noticed a drastic improvement with this card. Crysis was on FULL settings and didn't even flinch during gameplay.

Windows WEI improved from 7.4's to 7.8's on graphics (previous card was nvidia Evga 9800 GX2)

3d Mark Vantage on the other hand has got me stumped. My numbers are WAY lower than expected as they are showing way lower than with my 9800 GX2?! Also, the CPU score is coming up as one third of what I was getting before and I haven't made any changes to my CPU!

I suspect that this is a software problem with 3d mark, since everything else showed signs of improvement but can't understand where the issue lies.

I am running Windows 7 x64 & ATI 9.10 Drivers for 7 x64

Attached are screenshots from vantage after tests before with my old card and now with the 5870. The attached GPUZ shot on it's own is of my current config as well.

PS - the total score of my before pic shows '0' by accident, I believe I reset it at the time by mistake but the individual scores beneath are still valid.




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27 Oct 2009   #2
smarteyeball

 
 

I suspect it's the drivers. My 4890's score 1000 points lower with 9.10 compared to 9.9

CAT 9.9:
ATI MSI 5870 3DMark FAT Mouse and FullScreen Crashes-vantage-9.9-pf-930-1015-3.86ghz-7rtm.jpg

CAT 9.10:

ATI MSI 5870 3DMark FAT Mouse and FullScreen Crashes-vantage-9.10-pf-930-1015-3.86ghz-7rtm.jpg

As for your CPU score, you are now using an ATI card which means - NO PhysX support. So no more artificially inflated CPU score


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28 Oct 2009   #3
A320

Win 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Ok thanks for the reply.

Just so I understand this more clearly.

PhysX with my nvidia card causes artificial CPU scores? Was I actually getting MORE out of my CPU with PhysX vs an ATI card or are you saying it's kind of like smoke and mirrors.

Also, regarding the numbers with my 5870, even if it is the drivers, shouldn't I still be way higher in my numbers, your numbers are in the 18-19's and mine aren't even close with the 5870.

Does any of this mean I am losing performance when gaming? Cuz as I stated, it would appear that games are running much better but I could be blind optimist!
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28 Oct 2009   #4
ussj4brolli

Windows 7 PRO x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by A320 View Post
Ok thanks for the reply.

Just so I understand this more clearly.

PhysX with my nvidia card causes artificial CPU scores? Was I actually getting MORE out of my CPU with PhysX vs an ATI card or are you saying it's kind of like smoke and mirrors.

Also, regarding the numbers with my 5870, even if it is the drivers, shouldn't I still be way higher in my numbers, your numbers are in the 18-19's and mine aren't even close with the 5870.

Does any of this mean I am losing performance when gaming? Cuz as I stated, it would appear that games are running much better but I could be blind optimist!
Game are runing faster with your 5xxx card.
And like you stated, basically smoke and mirrors on an Nvidia card with that benchmark.
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29 Oct 2009   #5
A320

Win 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Well, after a fresh format and install of Win7 and the ATI drivers, my numbers have increased substantially. Wonder what could've been causing the issue. Still though, I expected higher than that, shouldn't my numbers be more aligned with yours 'smarteyball'?


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29 Oct 2009   #6
smarteyeball

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by A320 View Post

PhysX with my nvidia card causes artificial CPU scores? Was I actually getting MORE out of my CPU with PhysX vs an ATI card or are you saying it's kind of like smoke and mirrors.
Those CPU test components use PhysX to augment performance. Basically it took the load of the CPU and let the GPU take a lot of the slack, hence the much higher scores.

Vantage has always been 'favorable' to nvidia.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by A320 View Post
Still though, I expected higher than that, shouldn't my numbers be more aligned with yours 'smarteyball'?
You have to consider that I'm crossfiring two 4890's. In a single GPU test the 5870 outclasses the 4890 easily:

ATI MSI 5870 3DMark FAT Mouse and FullScreen Crashes-vantage-9.9-pf-single-card-1030-1015-3.89ghz-7rtm.jpg

Your games feel faster and smoother because they are


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29 Oct 2009   #7
A320

Win 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

ah I didn't look closely enough to notice you had 2 of them going! I feel much better now!
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29 Oct 2009   #8
Airbot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

You should update your GPU-Z and CPU-Z.

GPU-Z 0.35 and the latest 0.36 added support for your card, plus it shows your card as DX 10 there.
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29 Oct 2009   #9
smarteyeball

 
 

lol, I thought you might
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29 Oct 2009   #10
A320

Win 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Airbot View Post
You should update your GPU-Z and CPU-Z.

GPU-Z 0.35 and the latest 0.36 added support for your card, plus it shows your card as DX 10 there.
Here's the latest with GPU Z 0.3.6, but where does it say DX10?


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