Is 'Metro' now a banned word at Microsoft?

I bought XP, and I never regretted it. I bought Vista and I never stopped regretting it. XP was a great OS, Vista was a pain in the neck.
W7 is a great OS, so I just can't believe Microsoft was in such a hurry to cram Metro down our throats. Personally I hope W8 falls flat on it's Metro interface.

W8 badly needs an optional desktop interface and leave the Metro mess for the mobile devices.
Until they offer such an option, I intend to stay with W7 just like the XP users did with XP.
 
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They are going to fail dramatically at getting win 8 to catch on solidly with the pc market.
I honestly believe that, based on my own experience with it.

I used Vista on a few systems, and it wasn't all that bad. It certainly looked much better than XP, only because I'm into eye candy, and my system specs are usually at the higher end of the market.

Windows 7 had its problems too. There was a lot of negativity going around about the removal of explorer's ability to remember window sizes, positions and various other settings, just to name one.

For me, metro and the general unintuitiveness of the OS as a whole left a bitter taste in my mouth, the removal of Aero has sealed it's fate for me; No computer I own will ever run Windows 8, it's like going back to the days of Windows 98

The same bland, unintuitive, tiring interface is appearing all over micro$ofts products. So for some, we will be stuck, and this might be the pinnacle of our OS and App experience.

I too hope Widnows 8 is perceived as a failure, but fail or not, things probably won't go backwards. Eg. Has Microsoft ever reintroduced in windows 8 the explorer functionality that was around prior to windows 7?
 

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I remember vista being so problematic for me I was forced to dual boot for nearly a year.
If that wasn't the case for you, that's great.
It would be willfully ignorant of me to ignore my own experience at the same time though.


You fall into the rare category of those who actually tried it and had problems as opposed to those who never tried it but loved to jump on the Vista hate bandwagon.

I was also one of the lucky ones that had zero issues with Vista on release. It was stable and I had no problematic components/drivers that caused me any headaches. All through my time with Vista (2 different machines), I had no issues.

However I had nothing but trouble with 7 right up to RTM (shedload of bluescreens, whereas Vista was solid all the way through. All because of a sound card.

I replaced the card and no more issues in 7. Ironically, I'm now having similar issues with 8 because of the replaced sound card.

One component with crappy drivers = unusable OS.


As for this Metro naming backtrack, I'm surprised it took this long for the litigation monster to force MS to change their tack.

If there was no law suit, nor the bad PR - it would still be metro.

It's still the same dog. It doesn't matter what his name is.
 

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I remember vista being so problematic for me I was forced to dual boot for nearly a year.
If that wasn't the case for you, that's great.
It would be willfully ignorant of me to ignore my own experience at the same time though.


You fall into the rare category of those who actually tried it and had problems as opposed to those who never tried it but loved to jump on the Vista hate bandwagon.

I was also one of the lucky ones that had zero issues with Vista on release. It was stable and I had no problematic components/drivers that caused me any headaches. All through my time with Vista (2 different machines), I had no issues.

However I had nothing but trouble with 7 right up to RTM (shedload of bluescreens, whereas Vista was solid all the way through. All because of a sound card.

I replaced the card and no more issues in 7. Ironically, I'm now having similar issues with 8 because of the replaced sound card.

One component with crappy drivers = unusable OS.


As for this Metro naming backtrack, I'm surprised it took this long for the litigation monster to force MS to change their tack.

If there was no law suit, nor the bad PR - it would still be metro.

It's still the same dog. It doesn't matter what his name is.

Trouble is with THIS dog it's the TAIL that's wagging the dog. !!

cheers
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.......As for this Metro naming backtrack, I'm surprised it took this long for the litigation monster to force MS to change their tack.

If there was no law suit, nor the bad PR - it would still be metro.

It's still the same dog. It doesn't matter what his name is.



I'll bet I could think of a few other names for that Metro mess! LOL
 

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Vista was good for the hardware makers since MS paid little to no attention to drivers working with it. w7 is fairly driver complete. I'm using a scanner and printer made for XP that had no Vista support but w7 does albeit generic drivers.

I'm sure dropping the "Metro" moniker will, in fact, make Win 8 a top notch OS. :rolleyes:
 

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Run VISTA now on any decent piece of hardware say with an I5 or I7 processor and its performance is perfectly OK especially if you are using SSD's.
That's true, but now with Windows 8 that is not the problem, even better, Windows 8 is looking faster than Windows 7 using lower system specs... trully, that cannot be taken as an argument, just because the real concern is not the speed of the OS but its mode to handle tools, as the "Metro-now-changing-name" interface...

Vista had serious troubles with performance because needed serious upgrades in hardware (at least with many systems happened) and the worst part, Microsoft claimed it's OS was designed to run in at least 512 MB or RAM, which was NOT true, thus leading to lots of speed issues because the OS was having to acces paging file every single moment, while using 1 GB or more, solved that problem (partially, taking into account that proccesors and VGA's were not ready...)

...whatever the detractors of W8 say it CAN (and I say CAN -- because if you start messing around with Metro while attempting to do traditional desktop like work your productivity will nose dive)...
Which, in terms of usefullness, defeats the entire purpose of using a new interface, Metro then is just a piece of plaything that gives nothing to computing...
When Windows 95 came out, everyone was freaked out because of the creation of the Start Menu and Taskbar, but the idea was usefull and added productivity, that was assimilated really fast (as I can remember so far...)

Metro should have the same fate, but it is not like that... it's slow, dumb and definetely not usefull, in tablets may be good, but is desktops is just a disaster to click everything to get the same result as with just hovering the mouse over something. And I suspect you got the same issue as well XD.

Now I HATE the Metro or whatever they call it GUI -- but it's relatively simple to avoid using it by installing a small FREE 3rd party app.

People often say they shouldn't have to use 3rd party apps for this sort of stuff -- but people ALWAYS use 3rd party apps -- nobody complains for example when installing some rubbish 3rd party AV software (shouldn't SECURITY itself be a priority to be handled WITHIN THE OS itself anyway) or buying a sensible backup and restore program - and just about everybody I know uses VLC for playing DVD movies and Winamp or equivalent for music needs.

I tend to agree that the user should at install time be given the option of Full desktop including metro, Metro only (if on a phone / tablet or other mobile device that might be developed in the future) or Desktop only without metro for people wanting to use laptops etc in the classic manner.

I suspect that the "Classic Shell" 3rd party app will be exceedingly popular if W8 really does hit the masses...

...Bye Bye Metro. !!!

Cheers
jimbo

This is a nice solution, except that, using VCL or ESET doesn't harm (or they will likely not) your system, while stuff like classic shell, being a harmless system modifier, may cause conflicts with some stuff someday, but this is like gambling, may happen, may not.

The problem is that you need now to install a 3rd party program to be productive, instead of having a real OS that can improve efficiency at work and doesn't look like you are playing with big cellphone screen...

I can agree with you in your statements, but MS need to understand that this whole madness of Metro will not work on PC's, computers ARE NOT smartphones or tablets, that's why, whatever it happens, we will still need them, because a tablet will never replace the way you can create a book, edit drawings or create digital art or even gaming. Those devices work only to stay connected and to receive or send information, not to do real stuff. Windows 8 need to separate interfaces or it will fail missearably along PC users... And believe it or not, is the worst thing for an OS... Vista survived little just because the problem only was hardware issues and speed, but here, the UI itself is the problem, this is worse...

So, I agree with the last phrase: Bye Bye Metro!!!
 

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However I had nothing but trouble with 7 right up to RTM (shedload of bluescreens, whereas Vista was solid all the way through. All because of a sound card.

I replaced the card and no more issues in 7. Ironically, I'm now having similar issues with 8 because of the replaced sound card.

One component with crappy drivers = unusable OS.
Well, if you ask me, this is the same old story when upgrading to a new OS, it is normal (sometimes) to get a piece of hardware that will likely never work on the new OS unless you get new drivers, or replace entirely.

You remind to me an experience I had (really small) when I first upgraded to 7 in 2010, whenever I shutted down the system I was getting a BSOD, and in a fresh install, so, checking al my pieces of hardware I found that a somehow old 56k modem card was giving the issue, and since I was using ASDL, I just tossed away the card and problem solved.

This was somehow similar when in Windows 98 times, many hardware issues were found, just because they changed the driver model (as far as I can remember, I may be wrong though)... as I told before, this is teh same old story and at least people like us in the forum, are aware that everytime you upgrade your OS you may be subject to this kind of problems.
 

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Run VISTA now on any decent piece of hardware say with an I5 or I7 processor and its performance is perfectly OK especially if you are using SSD's.
That's true, but now with Windows 8 that is not the problem, even better, Windows 8 is looking faster than Windows 7 using lower system specs... trully, that cannot be taken as an argument, just because the real concern is not the speed of the OS but its mode to handle tools, as the "Metro-now-changing-name" interface...

Vista had serious troubles with performance because needed serious upgrades in hardware (at least with many systems happened) and the worst part, Microsoft claimed it's OS was designed to run in at least 512 MB or RAM, which was NOT true, thus leading to lots of speed issues because the OS was having to acces paging file every single moment, while using 1 GB or more, solved that problem (partially, taking into account that proccesors and VGA's were not ready...)

...whatever the detractors of W8 say it CAN (and I say CAN -- because if you start messing around with Metro while attempting to do traditional desktop like work your productivity will nose dive)...
Which, in terms of usefullness, defeats the entire purpose of using a new interface, Metro then is just a piece of plaything that gives nothing to computing...
When Windows 95 came out, everyone was freaked out because of the creation of the Start Menu and Taskbar, but the idea was usefull and added productivity, that was assimilated really fast (as I can remember so far...)

Metro should have the same fate, but it is not like that... it's slow, dumb and definetely not usefull, in tablets may be good, but is desktops is just a disaster to click everything to get the same result as with just hovering the mouse over something. And I suspect you got the same issue as well XD.

Now I HATE the Metro or whatever they call it GUI -- but it's relatively simple to avoid using it by installing a small FREE 3rd party app.

People often say they shouldn't have to use 3rd party apps for this sort of stuff -- but people ALWAYS use 3rd party apps -- nobody complains for example when installing some rubbish 3rd party AV software (shouldn't SECURITY itself be a priority to be handled WITHIN THE OS itself anyway) or buying a sensible backup and restore program - and just about everybody I know uses VLC for playing DVD movies and Winamp or equivalent for music needs.

I tend to agree that the user should at install time be given the option of Full desktop including metro, Metro only (if on a phone / tablet or other mobile device that might be developed in the future) or Desktop only without metro for people wanting to use laptops etc in the classic manner.

I suspect that the "Classic Shell" 3rd party app will be exceedingly popular if W8 really does hit the masses...

...Bye Bye Metro. !!!

Cheers
jimbo

This is a nice solution, except that, using VCL or ESET doesn't harm (or they will likely not) your system, while stuff like classic shell, being a harmless system modifier, may cause conflicts with some stuff someday, but this is like gambling, may happen, may not.

The problem is that you need now to install a 3rd party program to be productive, instead of having a real OS that can improve efficiency at work and doesn't look like you are playing with big cellphone screen...

I can agree with you in your statements, but MS need to understand that this whole madness of Metro will not work on PC's, computers ARE NOT smartphones or tablets, that's why, whatever it happens, we will still need them, because a tablet will never replace the way you can create a book, edit drawings or create digital art or even gaming. Those devices work only to stay connected and to receive or send information, not to do real stuff. Windows 8 need to separate interfaces or it will fail missearably along PC users... And believe it or not, is the worst thing for an OS... Vista survived little just because the problem only was hardware issues and speed, but here, the UI itself is the problem, this is worse...

So, I agree with the last phrase: Bye Bye Metro!!!

Hi there
I think we all agree that W8 will never see the light of day inside corporations where people use computers for real work -- however I can't see what's wrong with a bit of tinkering on a HOME system particularly if you install it as a Virtual Machine.

As far as installing 3rd party products to make an OS useable --that's done ALL the TIME with Linux -- such things as APACHE,SAMBA, MySQL and PHP come immediately to mind in order to make a really good reliable Linux file and web server. Nobody says you shouldn't install these products (all FREE of course) to greatly increase the use of the OS (another issue but beats IIS by about 40,000 KM too !!).

I do agree though Ms should have thought through this whole desktop experience completely before going ahead with it.

I'd get some of the developers and LOCK them in a room with only a large 50 inch monitor and not let them out until they've completed a few complex spread sheet, some power point presentations and a few document translations ONLY BEING ALLOWED TO USE FULL SCREEN, TOUCH AND METRO apps.

They'd be screaming for the traditional desktop within 60 secs.

I can't understand why stuff isn't trialled somewhat similarly before some stupid "suited and booted" manager gives the OK to let the product out of the door.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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IMHO it's all about 2 things - 1, change - a majority of humans are opposed to anything new, they are used to dealing and working with something that works for them and their situation. A smaller proportion of people who accept and welcome change and new methods, will work to overcome any problems. Then eventually many will happily accept the results of these endeavours, whilst others will continue to oppose the new. It's called an entrenched position and I may have been guilty of that error myself.

2 - Most computer users are unskilled in computing, who only need to turn on and use the machine. They are not interested in having to solve problems with drivers, or setting up a new operating system. They just want it work "out of the box". Vista did not do that, it was a departure from the XP they had grown used to. 7 worked much better in that regard, I know users like that who hated Vista and loved 7. To quote one of them, it's like Microsoft used Vista to show us how good 7 was in comparison. Same person loves the way that 7 sets up her peripherals, asking if she wants drivers and setting them up.
 

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Grandchildren, their parents and friends as bandwidth 'parasites' at various times!
IMHO it's all about 2 things - 1, change - a majority of humans are opposed to anything new, they are used to dealing and working with something that works for them and their situation. A smaller proportion of people who accept and welcome change and new methods, will work to overcome any problems. Then eventually many will happily accept the results of these endeavours, whilst others will continue to oppose the new. It's called an entrenched position and I may have been guilty of that error myself.
I would certainly agree with that. As a matter-of-fact, that's part of my problem with Windows or anything else. If you don't believe me, ask my wife--She'll tell you the same thing.:)
 

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HP Pavilion g7-1260us Notebook
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Desk Top with Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit and Lap Top with Windows 8.1 Pro 64 bit
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8Gig
Screen Resolution
1600x900
Hi there
I think we all agree that W8 will never see the light of day inside corporations where people use computers for real work
That's the whole truth being said...

-- however I can't see what's wrong with a bit of tinkering on a HOME system particularly if you install it as a Virtual Machine.
Well...
...2 - Most computer users are unskilled in computing...
This answers this one in particular, this people will be SCREAMING nd begging for Windows 7 to be reinstalled on their systems as soon as possible... We can't spect everyone to know how to use and setup a virtual machine... and some people (like me) also need to work at home.

As far as installing 3rd party products to make an OS useable --that's done ALL the TIME with Linux -- such things as APACHE,SAMBA, MySQL and PHP come immediately to mind in order to make a really good reliable Linux file and web server. Nobody says you shouldn't install these products (all FREE of course) to greatly increase the use of the OS (another issue but beats IIS by about 40,000 KM too !!).
That's right, but Linux has an open source kernel, which means that people can release enhacement tools without guessing, because they already know how to handle kernel and deep system changes, with Windows is almost a trial and error, even if in the most part of the time those changes are harmeless...

Also, Linux is known to be customizable since the beggining and that, if you want something, you change it by yourself. Windows is designed to run in PC's for people that knows nothing about this, that's the reality.

I do agree though Ms should have thought through this whole desktop experience completely before going ahead with it.

I'd get some of the developers and LOCK them in a room with only a large 50 inch monitor and not let them out until they've completed a few complex spread sheet, some power point presentations and a few document translations ONLY BEING ALLOWED TO USE FULL SCREEN, TOUCH AND METRO apps.

They'd be screaming for the traditional desktop within 60 secs.

I can't understand why stuff isn't trialled somewhat similarly before some stupid "suited and booted" manager gives the OK to let the product out of the door.

Cheers
jimbo
And this sir. Is the whole truth, it seems they never hear feedback even from people that tested the RP, instead rushing releases with no testing...

See ya!! :D
 

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Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit Build 7600
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PCChips A13G+ v3.0
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Realtek High Definition Audio Driver ALC660 @ MCP61S
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- Foxconn @ 2500 RPM (Old Pentium III heatsink fan) in XFX ATI Radeon HD 4350
I have Win 8 installed on VMware Player. Every time I open it I say to myself, “Why in the h### am I doing this?” Actually, I don’t know. So here’s one question that I would like an answer to: Unless a person is using one of those hand held instruments, what is the advantage of Windows 8 over windows 7?
 

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8Gig
Screen Resolution
1600x900
For most people , there is no advantage at all.
 

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I do agree though Ms should have thought through this whole desktop experience completely before going ahead with it.

I can't understand why stuff isn't trialled somewhat similarly before some stupid "suited and booted" manager gives the OK to let the product out of the door.

I have to assume they DID think through "this whole desktop experience".

They simply came to a different conclusion based on thinking it through than you or I would.

I can't believe MS doesn't acknowledge internally that there will be major howling from typical desktop and corporate users.

The only semi-plausible explanation is that they are not really targeting corporations or home builders or enthusiast desktop users.

Rather, they are targeting tablets and relying on OEMs to force-feed it pre-installed to desktop/laptop buyers. I suspect the OEMs will get to field all the support questions from Joe Sixpack when he unpacks the Dell and says WTMFH is going on.

I think it's a bad decision, but not mysterious. Quite possibly borne out of desperation at trailing in tablets and the relative stagnation of the desktop market.
 

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Microsoft 200 6JH-00001 USB
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Rather, they are targeting tablets and relying on OEMs to force-feed it pre-installed to desktop/laptop buyers.

I would have to agree with you on this, but my question is, why can't Microsoft release two different versions of Windows 8. One set up for PCs and the other for tablets, instead of trying to force the issue. I tried out Windows 8 comsumer release on my PC and after making a few tweaks it was usable, but I won't upgrade from Windows 7 simply because I do not care for Metro, or whatever name their trying to call it now.
 

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Intel i5 2500k
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Asus P8P67 Deluxe
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8 gigabytes Corsair PC3-12800 DDR3
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Integrated
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ViewSonic 23" LCD
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1980 x 1080
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1 Tb WD Caviar Black HDD
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Coolermaster 1000 watt modular
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Coolermaster HAF X full tower
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Logitech USB
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Microsoft 3 button
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download 1.5 Mb/sec upload 300Kb/sec
why can't Microsoft release two different versions of Windows 8.

They can, as far as I know. I haven't heard a programmer type say it's not feasible.

Apparently they won't.

Why wouldn't they?

Only halfway understandable reason I can see is corporate pride (read "hubris")---showing they can enforce their will and won't be cowed into complying with the requests of mere rube users like you and I. Rank paternalism---daddy knows best.

Eat your spinach.

And there may be an element of feigned disdain rather than true disdain for the desktop market. I can imagine some high-level meetings at MS wherein whistling past the graveyard might be seen as cool, particularly if championed by a big cheese---who is likely surrounded by sycophants.

It becomes more understandable to the extent that desktop/laptop users are not the target and to the extent that OEMs will take the brunt of the complaints.

Five years from now we can judge if the disdain was justified.
 

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Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one
OS
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
CPU
Intel Skylake i5-6600K, not overclocked
Motherboard
AsRock Z170M Extreme 4, micro ATX
Memory
8 GB HyperX DDR4-2666 (2 x 4 GB)
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none; graphics are integrated on CPU
Sound Card
onboard: Realtek ALC1150; external: USB Behringer UF0-202
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Dell S2340M 23 inch IPS
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1600 x 900
Hard Drives
System: Crucial MX100 series SSD, 128 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD30EZRX-00D8PB0, 3 TB
PSU
Rosewill SilentNight 500 watt fanless, semi-modular
Case
Antec Solo II
Cooling
Noctua NH-U12S; Noctua F12 intake, Noctua S12A exhaust
Keyboard
Microsoft 200 6JH-00001 USB
Mouse
Dell or Microsoft optical wired; USB
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials and Malwarebytes Premium
Browser
Pale Moon
Other Info
All fans PWM; speeds at idle: CPU circa 500 rpm; intake circa 600 rpm; exhaust circa 600 rpm; CPU temps 27 idle and 47 C load in a warm room (27 C/81 F) when running Intel Extreme Tuning Utility stress test.
Is a button interface on a normal desktop system intuitive? Are they contemplating mass replacement with touch screen desktops? Why would one want buttons on a non-touchscreen desktop?
 

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Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Assembled Desktop PC
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit Build 7600
CPU
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Dual Core CPU @ 2.7 Ghz (Brisbane)
Motherboard
PCChips A13G+ v3.0
Memory
2x2 GB DDR2 PC-5300 (667 Mhz) Kingston ValueRAM
Graphics Card(s)
XFX ATI Radeon HD 4350 GPU (512 MB + 512 MB HM)
Sound Card
Realtek High Definition Audio Driver ALC660 @ MCP61S
Monitor(s) Displays
HP S2031 20" LED HD Widescreen Display Monitor
Screen Resolution
1600 x 900 px
Hard Drives
Maxtor Diamond Max 10 (160 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-II Hard Disk)
Western Digital Scorpion Blue (250 GB, 5400 RPM, SATA-II External Hard Disk - Personal Data)
Toshiba MQ01ABD050 (500 GB, 5400 RPM, SATA-II External Hard Disk - Software & ISOs)
PSU
Pixxo Transformer 850W 80+ Certification PSU
Case
Compaq 5BW353 Case
Cooling
Many solutions, see other info...
Keyboard
Green Leaf (Mitzu) Standard Keyboard
Mouse
Microsoft USB Lasser Pointing Device
Internet Speed
10 MB
Antivirus
Avast Antivirus Free
Browser
Firefox, Chrome, Internet Explorer
Other Info
Windows Experience Index Result: 3.8 of 7.9.

Cooling solutions:
- AVC @ 2000/5000 RPM Copper Heatpipes (For Athlon 64 X2 6000+ CPU used in an Athlon 64 X2 5200+)
- Rear Fan 80 mm @ 2700 RPM for heat extraction
- Manhatan Chipset Cooler @ 4700/7200 RPM (For nVidia Chipset in MoBo)
- Foxconn @ 2500 RPM (Old Pentium III heatsink fan) in XFX ATI Radeon HD 4350
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