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So in the next coming months I'll be looking to upgrade my current system to some newer and better. At the moment I'm looking at this.... (parts/vendor subject to change. Performance not)

Intel Core i7-3930K
ASUS Rampage IV Extreme
Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 1866 MHZ
Gigabyte AMD Radeon HD 7970 OC 3GB

Not really interested in Crossfire just yet, but the option is there. And I’ve already got Case, PS, HD, SSD drives, Soundcard, etc… See system specs.

Plan on having the upgrade done by September as my backup system is dying; that means my current system's MB, RAM, and Processor would replace those in the backup.

At any rate should I go Haswell, or stick to the tried and true of the above?

Thanks.
 

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sygnus21,
I would go with the Haswell chip but not for it's great leap in power or even it's energy saving aspect but many great new features which have now migrated to the Z87 mobo's.
 

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sygnus21 said:
So in the next coming months I'll be looking to upgrade my current system to some newer and better. At the moment I'm looking at this.... (parts/vendor subject to change. Performance not)

Intel Core i7-3930K
ASUS Rampage IV Extreme
Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 1866 MHZ
Gigabyte AMD Radeon HD 7970 OC 3GB

Not really interested in Crossfire just yet, but the option is there. And I’ve already got Case, PS, HD, SSD drives, Soundcard, etc… See system specs.

Plan on having the upgrade done by September as my backup system is dying; that means my current system's MB, RAM, and Processor would replace those in the backup.

At any rate should I go Haswell, or stick to the tried and true of the above?

Thanks.
Click to expand...
First question I would ask is your PSU Haswell compatible ?
 

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I went with an x79 board and an i7-3930 CPU instead of waiting. Some of the new Haswell boards (especially ASUS' Z87 Deluxe/Dual) have me salivating like a famous Russian pooch but, at the end of the day, I really wouldn't have gained much overall. After seeing reports on the heat problems the new CPUs are having, I'm glad I didn't decide to wait.
 

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I personally will wait until more information on not only the temps but how even the temps are across the cores. That will let us know how well the heat spreader on the chip is installed.
 

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linnemeyerhere said:
sygnus21,
I would go with the Haswell chip but not for it's great leap in power or even it's energy saving aspect but many great new features which have now migrated to the Z87 mobo's.
Click to expand...

Thanks for the YouTube clip and you actually bring up a good point about going with a Z87 board, but at the end of the day, I'm wondering if want to go with 1st gen tech. Also the Asus rep indicates that the "enthusiast" boards are still going to be the X79's so.... :confused:

Nonetheless, it is a good point, which is why I asked the question.

Solarstarshines said:
First question I would ask is your PSU Haswell compatible ?
Click to expand...

Well based on your question, I did some quick Googling, and in a nutshell.... yes.

BTW, this all sounds like FUD to gen up PS sales, but yes, my 3 year old extremely well made Antec Signature SG-850 (850watt) power supply made the list - The big Haswell PSU compatibility list - The Tech Report - Page 1 :)

Lady Fitzgerald said:
I went with an x79 board and an i7-3930 CPU instead of waiting. Some of the new Haswell boards (especially ASUS' Z87 Deluxe/Dual) have me salivating like a famous Russian pooch but, at the end of the day, I really wouldn't have gained much overall. After seeing reports on the heat problems the new CPUs are having, I'm glad I didn't decide to wait.
Click to expand...

Yeah, some of those Z87 boards do look darn good, and it's certainly tempting to go Haswell just for the MB features. My only issue is do I want to mess with first gen tech, or do I even need it?

When I got my X-58 Gigabyte MB, the "rage" was USB 3.0. Just this year did I really start using USB 3.0 devices. I bought the Gigabyte in 2010 :eek:

Still...
 
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Solarstarshines said:
First question I would ask is your PSU Haswell compatible ?
Click to expand...

Well based on your question, I did some quick Googling, and in a nutshell.... yes.

BTW, this all sounds like FUD to gen up PS sales, but yes, my 3 year old extremely well made Antec Signature SG-850 (850watt) power supply made the list - The big Haswell PSU compatibility list - The Tech Report - Page 1 :)


Well Honestly I assume most High quality PSU's would I just hate the fact they want to rearrange everything every freaking time they bring a better chip out

Not to be off topic but I think I will keep chugging with AMD for a while I was willing to jump on Haswell or for that matter a I73770K but from reading AMD will keep the same socket but with Improvements

I have to admit it beats switching sockets every freaking time they decide to make something better Intel that is
 

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sygnus21 said:
linnemeyerhere said:
sygnus21,
I would go with the Haswell chip but not for it's great leap in power or even it's energy saving aspect but many great new features which have now migrated to the Z87 mobo's.
Click to expand...

Thanks for the YouTube clip and you actually bring up a good point about going with a Z87 board, but at the end of the day, I'm wondering if want to go with 1st gen tech. Also the Asus rep indicates that the "enthusiast" boards are still going to be the X79's so.... :confused:

Nonetheless, it is a good point, which is why I asked the question.

Solarstarshines said:
First question I would ask is your PSU Haswell compatible ?
Click to expand...

Well based on your question, I did some quick Googling, and in a nutshell.... yes.

BTW, this all sounds like FUD to gen up PS sales, but yes, my 3 year old extremely well made Antec Signature SG-850 (850watt) power supply made the list - The big Haswell PSU compatibility list - The Tech Report - Page 1 :)

Well Honestly I assume most High quality PSU's would I just hate the fact they want to rearrange everything every freaking time they bring a better chip out

Not to be off topic but I think I will keep chugging with AMD for a while I was willing to jump on Haswell or for that matter a I73770K but from reading AMD will keep the same socket but with Improvements

I have to admit it beats switching sockets every freaking time they decide to make something better Intel that is
Click to expand...
 

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Umm... you seemed to miss the quote brackets on my post.
 

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There is nothing wrong with SB-E at all, first generation platform or not. It may be more than what you need, but that is between you and your wallet. Just so you know....Ivy Bridge-Extreme is going to be released in September, however, that may just muddy the waters for you lol.
 

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kbrady1979 said:
There is nothing wrong with SB-E at all, first generation platform or not. It may be more than what you need, but that is between you and your wallet. Just so you know....Ivy Bridge-Extreme is going to be released in September, however, that may just muddy the waters for you lol.
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Well, for the record I sometimes I think my current system is more than I need but... :D

Didn't even know about the extremes so yeah that may muddy the waters a little further. However if the pricing is a bit more than the 3930, I may well pass it by.
 

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Screen Resolution
1920 x 1200
Hard Drives
Primary - Samsung 850 Pro (512gig), Samsung 840 Pro (256gig), 2TB WD Caviar Black.
PSU
EVGA Supernova 1000 G2
Case
Cooler Master HAF X
Cooling
Corsair H100i with Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Fans
Keyboard
Logitech Wireless Wave
Mouse
Logitech Performance MX
Internet Speed
High Speed Cable
Antivirus
Norton Security
Browser
IE11
Other Info
Memory Timings - 1866MHz @ 9-9-9-27-1T @ 1.5 volts
sygnus21 said:
Umm... you seemed to miss the quote brackets on my post.
Click to expand...

Yea The other day the Forum timed out on me too :sarc:

BTW Your system is a beast
 

My Computer My Computer

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Windows 10 Home Premium 64bit sp1Intel I7-6700K @ 4.6 Ghz 1.344 volts everyday OC32GB G-Skill TridentZ 3200mhz 16-18-18-38 DDR4Sli Gigabyte Windforce GTX 980 G1
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
CoreI7-6700K MrFingerIII Special Builds
OS
Windows 10 Home Premium 64bit sp1
CPU
Intel I7-6700K @ 4.6 Ghz 1.344 volts everyday OC
Motherboard
Asrock Fatality K6 Z170 Socket 1151
Memory
32GB G-Skill TridentZ 3200mhz 16-18-18-38 DDR4
Graphics Card(s)
Sli Gigabyte Windforce GTX 980 G1
Sound Card
AC97 Creative Rage Tactic 3D Headphones Bluetooth
Monitor(s) Displays
27" Asus ROG Swift PG278Q G-Sync 48" Vizio Smart HD TV
Screen Resolution
2560x1440p 27"- 48" Currently Gaming at 2560x1440p Res 2K
Hard Drives
250GB Samsung Evo840SSD Seagate baracuda 500 GB WD Mybook 500Gb 1TB Seagate Barracuda
PSU
HX1050w Corsair Silver 80plus certified crosfire/sli
Case
Enthod Pro Full Tower
Cooling
Corsair H110i GT 280 mm High Performance WaterBlock
Keyboard
Logitech wireless keyboard
Mouse
Logitech wireless mouse
Internet Speed
Cox Cable 100+ mb
Antivirus
WebRoot Spysweeper with Antivirus
Browser
IE-10, Chrome, Opera
Other Info
My Other Rig is a AMD FX8320E @4.6Ghz 16GB Ballistic Sport Ram
Mobo Asrock Fatality 990FX 120GB OCZ SSD 1TB Seagate Barracuda Corsair H75 Cooling PSU Corsair CX750
GPU GTX Gigabyte 970G1

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 10 ProIntel Core i7-4770K (3.5Ghz)32 gig Corsair Dominator Platinum (4x8Gig)Sapphire Tri-X R9 Fury
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom built by me.
OS
Windows 10 Pro
CPU
Intel Core i7-4770K (3.5Ghz)
Motherboard
Gigabyte G1 Sniper 5 (F10 Bios)
Memory
32 gig Corsair Dominator Platinum (4x8Gig)
Graphics Card(s)
Sapphire Tri-X R9 Fury
Sound Card
Soundblaster ZXR
Monitor(s) Displays
NEC PA242W 24" LCD Monitor
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1200
Hard Drives
Primary - Samsung 850 Pro (512gig), Samsung 840 Pro (256gig), 2TB WD Caviar Black.
PSU
EVGA Supernova 1000 G2
Case
Cooler Master HAF X
Cooling
Corsair H100i with Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Fans
Keyboard
Logitech Wireless Wave
Mouse
Logitech Performance MX
Internet Speed
High Speed Cable
Antivirus
Norton Security
Browser
IE11
Other Info
Memory Timings - 1866MHz @ 9-9-9-27-1T @ 1.5 volts

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 10 Home Premium 64bit sp1Intel I7-6700K @ 4.6 Ghz 1.344 volts everyday OC32GB G-Skill TridentZ 3200mhz 16-18-18-38 DDR4Sli Gigabyte Windforce GTX 980 G1
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
CoreI7-6700K MrFingerIII Special Builds
OS
Windows 10 Home Premium 64bit sp1
CPU
Intel I7-6700K @ 4.6 Ghz 1.344 volts everyday OC
Motherboard
Asrock Fatality K6 Z170 Socket 1151
Memory
32GB G-Skill TridentZ 3200mhz 16-18-18-38 DDR4
Graphics Card(s)
Sli Gigabyte Windforce GTX 980 G1
Sound Card
AC97 Creative Rage Tactic 3D Headphones Bluetooth
Monitor(s) Displays
27" Asus ROG Swift PG278Q G-Sync 48" Vizio Smart HD TV
Screen Resolution
2560x1440p 27"- 48" Currently Gaming at 2560x1440p Res 2K
Hard Drives
250GB Samsung Evo840SSD Seagate baracuda 500 GB WD Mybook 500Gb 1TB Seagate Barracuda
PSU
HX1050w Corsair Silver 80plus certified crosfire/sli
Case
Enthod Pro Full Tower
Cooling
Corsair H110i GT 280 mm High Performance WaterBlock
Keyboard
Logitech wireless keyboard
Mouse
Logitech wireless mouse
Internet Speed
Cox Cable 100+ mb
Antivirus
WebRoot Spysweeper with Antivirus
Browser
IE-10, Chrome, Opera
Other Info
My Other Rig is a AMD FX8320E @4.6Ghz 16GB Ballistic Sport Ram
Mobo Asrock Fatality 990FX 120GB OCZ SSD 1TB Seagate Barracuda Corsair H75 Cooling PSU Corsair CX750
GPU GTX Gigabyte 970G1
LOL - Yeah, I'm pretty happy with the system but want to upgrade while I have the means to do so. I'll be going into cash strapped mode later and need to get this done while I have the chance.

Plus I have to replace my aging Q6600 system that the family uses as I think either the processor or motherboard is going.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 10 ProIntel Core i7-4770K (3.5Ghz)32 gig Corsair Dominator Platinum (4x8Gig)Sapphire Tri-X R9 Fury
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom built by me.
OS
Windows 10 Pro
CPU
Intel Core i7-4770K (3.5Ghz)
Motherboard
Gigabyte G1 Sniper 5 (F10 Bios)
Memory
32 gig Corsair Dominator Platinum (4x8Gig)
Graphics Card(s)
Sapphire Tri-X R9 Fury
Sound Card
Soundblaster ZXR
Monitor(s) Displays
NEC PA242W 24" LCD Monitor
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1200
Hard Drives
Primary - Samsung 850 Pro (512gig), Samsung 840 Pro (256gig), 2TB WD Caviar Black.
PSU
EVGA Supernova 1000 G2
Case
Cooler Master HAF X
Cooling
Corsair H100i with Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Fans
Keyboard
Logitech Wireless Wave
Mouse
Logitech Performance MX
Internet Speed
High Speed Cable
Antivirus
Norton Security
Browser
IE11
Other Info
Memory Timings - 1866MHz @ 9-9-9-27-1T @ 1.5 volts
kbrady1979 said:
There is nothing wrong with SB-E at all, first generation platform or not. It may be more than what you need, but that is between you and your wallet. Just so you know....Ivy Bridge-Extreme is going to be released in September, however, that may just muddy the waters for you lol.
Click to expand...

To really muddy the waters... The new Ivy Bridge-Es may also use TIM instead of solder between the chip and the heat spreader which means they might have the same heating problems as the regular Ivy Bridges and the new Haswells.

The system I have now should easily meet my needs for several years to come (it had better, after the small fortune I spent on it!).
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bitIntel i7-3930KKingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modul...MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2...
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
CPU
Intel i7-3930K
Motherboard
ASUS P9X79 WS
Memory
Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR
Graphics Card(s)
MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR
Sound Card
Asus Xonar Essence STX
Monitor(s) Displays
3x Asus VG248QE 24", Vizio 32" TV
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080, ?
Hard Drives
Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (1),
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (4)
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (16) external backup drives used in 2.5" hot swap bays in the computer.
PSU
Corsair HX750w
Case
Antec Two Hundred v2 (modified)
Cooling
Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm)
Keyboard
Logitech G510s
Mouse
Logitech M525 (two in use)
Internet Speed
=< 32Mbps down, 8Mbps up
Antivirus
AVAST!, MBAM, SAS, Spybot S&D (all but MBAM free) Glary Util
Browser
IE11
Other Info
LSI 9211-8i HBA card (8 SATA III ports), 2.5" & 3.5" Hot Swap Bays, HooToo HT-CR001 PCI-E to USB 3.0 Internal Hub + 6 Slot Card Reader, and LG Model CH12LS28 BD-ROM Optical Drive. Also, ScanSnap S1500 ADF duplexing scanner, Canon 9000F flat bed scanner, Corsair SP2500 2.1 speakers, Samsung CLP 415nw laser color printer, Cyberpower PP2200SW UPS
Though I heard a lot about heating issues I'm not going to get caught up in the method Intel is using between the heat spreaders as I'm confident that'll be sorted, whichever way Intel chooses to go. Also overclocking isn't as big a deal to me as it once was so I figure if I stay within stock range, heat shouldn't be an issue. However that doesn't mean I'll completely ignore the issue though ;)
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 10 ProIntel Core i7-4770K (3.5Ghz)32 gig Corsair Dominator Platinum (4x8Gig)Sapphire Tri-X R9 Fury
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom built by me.
OS
Windows 10 Pro
CPU
Intel Core i7-4770K (3.5Ghz)
Motherboard
Gigabyte G1 Sniper 5 (F10 Bios)
Memory
32 gig Corsair Dominator Platinum (4x8Gig)
Graphics Card(s)
Sapphire Tri-X R9 Fury
Sound Card
Soundblaster ZXR
Monitor(s) Displays
NEC PA242W 24" LCD Monitor
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1200
Hard Drives
Primary - Samsung 850 Pro (512gig), Samsung 840 Pro (256gig), 2TB WD Caviar Black.
PSU
EVGA Supernova 1000 G2
Case
Cooler Master HAF X
Cooling
Corsair H100i with Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Fans
Keyboard
Logitech Wireless Wave
Mouse
Logitech Performance MX
Internet Speed
High Speed Cable
Antivirus
Norton Security
Browser
IE11
Other Info
Memory Timings - 1866MHz @ 9-9-9-27-1T @ 1.5 volts
sygnus21 said:
Though I heard a lot about heating issues I'm not going to get caught up in the method Intel is using between the heat spreaders as I'm confident that'll be sorted, whichever way Intel chooses to go. Also overclocking isn't as big a deal to me as it once was so I figure if I stay within stock range, heat shouldn't be an issue. However that doesn't mean I'll completely ignore the issue though ;)
Click to expand...
Hum for me though it is not just a matter of what they use they could even use use something like that Indigo Extreme or solid silver for that matter between the spreader and the chip. Whatever is used depends on how the devices are produced on a large scale - all very well in a lab but churned out on some certain countries production lines are sometimes one and two different matters.

One only has to look at car manufacturing for evidence of that.
 

My Computer My Computer

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Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap A...Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i7 GTX 860M / Desk2 i...Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop...Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Own build (new) Desk1 / Asus ROG Win 7 / Desk2 1st build
OS
Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
CPU
Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i7 GTX 860M / Desk2 i5 2500
Motherboard
Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ?
Memory
Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel
Sound Card
Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop
Monitor(s) Displays
Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5"
Screen Resolution
1920x1080 D1 & D2 & Laptop 1
Hard Drives
Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
Asus ROG 256GB 850 Pro SSD
Desk2 Samsung 840 256 SSD
Toshiba 120GB EVO
PSU
Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650
Case
Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster
Cooling
Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ?
Keyboard
Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4
Mouse
Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless
Internet Speed
ADSL2+
Other Info
One other Desktop (tester) and spare Toshba laptop both with SSD's
Running Kaspersky 2016 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2SK
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