ACTA leak: ISPs to be bound by new rules

[dmex]

A draft of the ACTA treaty, leaked overnight by parties within the European Union, has revealed that Europeans, Australia and New Zealand plans to be a party to stricter global requirements on ISPs with regards to copyright law.

The draft also provides rights holders the power to demand ISPs hand over the names and details of customers suspected of infringing copyright over the network.

ACTA leak: ISPs to be bound by new rules - Telco/ISP - Technology - News - iTnews.com.au


"It's pretty much the U.S. patriot bill. Just replace "terrorist" with "copyright breacher" and "federal government" with "Corporate intellectual property rights holder"

 

[RST101]

Let's force all the isps go after copyright infringer's whilst leaving the paedophiles rings well alone hey, I mean there is no money to be made from them is there.

It's a sad state of affairs when all the focus is on protecting the pockets of the already fat cats.

How about protecting the innocence of children first hey.

And just because they have an ip address doesn't mean the infringement has taken place in that household.

This is all so screwed up man.

 

[dmex]

This is all so screwed up man.

It doesn't even protect the copyright of anything I develop, create or release thats copyrighted, just the corporations copyright.

 

[Lee]

I think we knew or least had an idea this just might happen. We have seen Pirate Bay, and Mininova, come down. It looks as if Canada's ISO Hunt is next on the blocks. Whether, we think it is unfair is not the issue; the issue is that there are copyright laws in almost every country, and these laws are there to protect those who put a great deal of time and money into a project. The effort may be a song, a book, an invention, or just a toy. Albeit it took someone time to put it together, hence, they should be protected from individuals who would steal that idea.

No matter how you word it, and attempt to make it right stealing someone else's intellectual work is wrong.

 

[RST101]

Sorry I don't agree.

Copyright infringement has been going on for as long as material has been produced. Is it any different to recording tv shows off the television? Is it any different from recording the chart hits off the radio when you were a kid? Absolutely not.

This is not about protecting the artists and their work this is about lining the wallets of the people the are signed too. Most of the time the artist doesn't even see a penny of what they recoup from their bullying tactics and more often than not don't even know that their name is being used in this campaign to target vulnerable people.

So is it ok to destroy someone life with fines of millions of pounds/dollars for the download of a single movie/film that is not worth the price we pay for them?

I agree the artist needs to be paid but it the cooperations behind these artist that are the issue here.

By the way the pirate bay is still up and running and not down.

 

[MrMephitis]

The legal priorities in this crazy world in which we live are broken. They allow the banks to pillage our assets with no recriminations, major humanitarian injustices throughout the world go ignored, billions of our taxes poured with gay abandon onto the black hole of war, millions crying for food and clean water...yet corporate power and legislation get stronger still....we're doomed.

 

[RST101]

Yet you get ordinary people still backing them like they are the good guys in all this.

Like I said it's not about the artists but the cooperate greed and monopoly they want on discs.

£$£$£$£$£$£$£$£, nothing else matters.

 

[Lebon14]

there are no way this will end it. Like RST101 said...

Copyright infringement has been going on for as long as material has been produced. Is it any different to recording tv shows off the television? Is it any different from recording the chart hits off the radio when you were a kid? Absolutely not.

It won't stop now. Far from it. There will always ALWAYS be pirates, DVD rippers, cam vids, etc. Only the way of doing it will change. If BitTorrent is going down, another way is gonna rise. So, the only solution, as I am seeing it, is the Global Licence : it's a tax that is took each month on someone's Internet connexion to compensate the loss due to copyright infingement (like 5 or 10$).

The legal priorities in this crazy world in which we live are broken. They allow the banks to pillage our assets with no recriminations, major humanitarian injustices throughout the world go ignored, billions of our taxes poured with gay abandon onto the black hole of war, millions crying for food and clean water...yet corporate power and legislation get stronger still....we're doomed.

Well said!!

 

[severedsolo]

bring it.... with the digital britain report already suggesting this, my ISP have already said that if anyone wants them to disconnect their users for copyright infiringement, they'll see them in court

to be fair... their not going to catch anyone who knows what their doing, it will be some 80 year old granny who's downloaded something for her grandson, or something like that, anyone who pirates properly can probably suggest a dozen way of not getting caught, (hell, i dont pirate and i can think of 5)

 

[Lee]

As I said, thieves will always find a way to prove they are right, and no better what everyone else is wrong. They will attempt to prove themselves to be nice people by finding a way to lie their way out of a situation regardless of how wrong it is. "It is not fair that Microsoft makes all that money, and I don't get any of it, so I will steal their property, and that goes for Adobe, and Corel, etc.." "They owe the people (me) for just being here." Get my point.

 

[Staple Head]

I think we knew or least had an idea this just might happen. We have seen Pirate Bay, and Mininova, come down. It looks as if Canada's ISO Hunt is next on the blocks. Whether, we think it is unfair is not the issue; the issue is that there are copyright laws in almost every country, and these laws are there to protect those who put a great deal of time and money into a project. The effort may be a song, a book, an invention, or just a toy. Albeit it took someone time to put it together, hence, they should be protected from individuals who would steal that idea.

No matter how you word it, and attempt to make it right stealing someone else's intellectual work is wrong.

Sorry I don't agree.

Copyright infringement has been going on for as long as material has been produced. Is it any different to recording tv shows off the television? Is it any different from recording the chart hits off the radio when you were a kid? Absolutely not.

This is not about protecting the artists and their work this is about lining the wallets of the people the are signed too. Most of the time the artist doesn't even see a penny of what they recoup from their bullying tactics and more often than not don't even know that their name is being used in this campaign to target vulnerable people.

So is it ok to destroy someone life with fines of millions of pounds/dollars for the download of a single movie/film that is not worth the price we pay for them?

I agree the artist needs to be paid but it the corporations behind these artist that are the issue here.

By the way the pirate bay is still up and running and not down.

people need to stop ignoring the obvious(lee). as i have stated time and time again during the years when music piracy was at it's highest so were music sales at their highest. now this year music sales are down and guess what music piracy is down this year. for the last two years movie piracy has seen their largest years and guess what the movie industry has had the two most profitable years ever. i do not buy coincidence. like it or not controversy sells. piracy is the new pr because it is controversial. rst101 is right.

 

[RST101]

As I said, thieves will always find a way to prove they are right, and no better what everyone else is wrong. They will attempt to prove themselves to be nice people by finding a way to lie their way out of a situation regardless of how wrong it is. "It is not fair that Microsoft makes all that money, and I don't get any of it, so I will steal their property, and that goes for Adobe, and Corel, etc.." "They owe the people (me) for just being here." Get my point.

So have you never recorded shows of tv or the chart hits when you were younger? Maybe on cassette tapes from your mates bedroom? Because if you never you must be the only person in the world not to have done so.

I guess were all thieves according to your logic.

 

[severedsolo]

every body has done it at some point, whether its taping something off tv etc. as previously mentioned,

have you ever tried to get a refund on a piece of software? good luck. to use the car analogy, if the manufacturor puts a new piece of software into your car (as so many cars are 90% computer nowadays) and it results in the car being undrivable, the manufacturor have to replace/refund under warranty, companies who sell dogy buggy software for PC have no such obligations, its just:
SOftware Company "tough, should have read the EULA"
Me: "but its on the inside of the box, i had to buy it to read it"
SC "and thats our problem why?",

so i can see the "piracy as marketing" thing, but i cant justify it if said pirate has no intention of buying the software, that admittedly is wrong

 

[dmex]

The masses and majority lose money and rights because of the minority and few.

 

[Staple Head]

The masses and majority lose money and rights because of the minority and few.

the minority and few being the greedy companies, RIGHT...................

 

[RST101]

The masses and majority lose money and rights because of the minority and few.

the majority and few being the greedy companies, RIGHT...................

RIGHT!

But it's not just about greed.

The power to control the people and what they buy.

 

[severedsolo]

i seem to remember hearing of a case where the person being accused couldnt be convicted because they had their wireless security disabled so the prosecution couldnt prove their connection wasnt being hijacked

 

[RST101]

I wonder whether ALL the proceeds of this single go to the suffering of haiti or whether the pockets get lined?

Answers on a postcard.

 

[Lee]

Again RST101 you have proven my point. If I cannot prove it is right then I will blame someone else. I will point out how stupid they are my saying they recorded a movie or television show (sorry never owned a VHS or Beta machine).

If that doesn't work then lets point out the greedy corporations. If it wasn't for them we wouldn't need to steal their products. They set the prices to high, so in order for us lowly peasants to get some of their products we have to steal it that is the only way we will ever get what we want.

 

[Staple Head]

Again RST101 you have proven my point. If I cannot prove it is right then I will blame someone else. I will point out how stupid they are my saying they recorded a movie or television show (sorry never owned a VHS or Beta machine).

If that doesn't work then lets point out the greedy corporations. If it wasn't for them we wouldn't need to steal their products. They set the prices to high, so in order for us lowly peasants to get some of their products we have to steal it that is the only way we will ever get what we want.

lee the only one that seems to be unable to have a civil conversation about the issue is you. this is the second tread that i have had to chide you on.