Beware KB3139929

[Seffrid]

Those not intending to upgrade to Windows 10 should note that this week's Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer is understood (from MS's own documentation) to have an integral non-security patch embedded in it which provides "Updated Internet Explorer 11 capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1 and Windows 7". That integral patch (KB3146449) is not separately listed when installed and cannot therefore be removed.

IE patch KB 3139929: When a security update is not a security update @ AskWoody

Security Update MS16-023 installs new "Get Windows 10" functionality - gHacks Tech News

 

[whs]

I stopped running any MS updates. They seem to really try to trick us with their updates. My system works, so why do I need updates.

 

[Seffrid]

I stopped running any MS updates. They seem to really try to trick us with their updates. My system works, so why do I need updates.

While I haven't yet joined you in giving up on MS updates, I certainly think we are fast heading into a situation in which the perceived threat from malware is going to be less than the perceived threat from Microsoft, and at that stage a lot of people will be joining you!

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Well, that is a new low for Microsoft What a bunch of miserable, misbegotten, "jerks" (I have much better terms but Mama told me not to use those words and forum rules forbid them)

 

[whs]

Well, that is a new low for Microsoft What a bunch of miserable, misbegotten, "jerks" (I have much better terms but Mama told me not to use those words and forum rules forbid them)!

Good language.

 

[Painter]

Can't wait to see what they hide in the Malicious Software Removal Tool next patch Tuesday; maybe the entire W10 upgrade.

 

[Layback Bear]

I'm not sure how Microsoft did it but but after the updates I had GWX reservation in the registry. It wasn't there before the updates.
I check often for such things.
I have removed it again.

 

[CarlSD]

Thanks for the heads up. So... now we have to start carefully checking security updates every month too I guess?

Is this just an advertisement for Windows 10 where you can just say "no thanks" or is it a non stop nag (which will probably download W10 in the background then try and trick you into installing it?)

I don't use IE but I did open it once a month or so back and the first thing that popped up was an almost full screen ad for W10 which you can just close and it doesn't bother you again. I also don't have any of the W10 update nag, telemetry, Windows Update Client, etc. updates installed.

Oh, and if anyone's around that uses Windows 8.1 - if you do a clean install these days make sure you do it offline (and make sure you turn off automatic updates before you go online).

I did a clean install of 8.1 a week back (on a separate SSD) and just before the end of the install it said "Getting Critical Updates". After the install finished and Windows booted up, 5 seconds after the desktop appeared a huge "Microsoft recommends updating to Windows 10" ad popped up.

You can just click "no thanks" but one has to wonder whether it might have been doing 'something else' in the background. I've since wiped 8.1 from that drive.

It's really becoming a battle to avoid W10, isn't it?

 

[ThrashZone]

I imagine it's just an addition to the home page if you use msn.com which has always popped up with win-10 stuff lately.
It's simple don't use ie11 or change your home page.
I opened ie11 with the update installed
It opens to https://google.com/ with nothing about win-10 although google always has download Chrome

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Well, that is a new low for Microsoft What a bunch of miserable, misbegotten, "jerks" (I have much better terms but Mama told me not to use those words and forum rules forbid them)

Looks like the Thought Police has struck. Nothing was misspelled; Nigel just doesn't like my spelling of Microsoft.

 

[CarlSD]

I stopped running any MS updates. They seem to really try to trick us with their updates. My system works, so why do I need updates.

I've been wondering for quite some time now if these constant updates are just a ploy so that MS has never ending control over your Windows installations.

I mean... come on... they've been pushing out Windows for over 30 years. Surely there can't be THAT many security issues left that require numerous patches every month. And, we all know that every 'new' version of Windows isn't really new. Most of it is the old code from previous versions with slight modifications and additions.

Reminds me of one of the James Bond movies (can't remember which one, was in the late 90's I think) where a fictional software company had just produced a new version of their operating system and one of the workers commented to the boss that it includes enough bugs to ensure people keep updating for years to come.

I'm sure we don't need more than one guess to figure out who they were having a go at.

 

[Sky Ranch]

"I spent most of the night trying to replicate this behavior -- a blue banner on new tabs in IE11 with "Microsoft recommends upgrading to Windows 10" -- and couldn't get it to trigger. If you can, I'd appreciate your shooting an email with a screenshot"

- Woody Leonhard


Reading the article made me laugh initially. Here you have Microsoft injecting nagware masked in their important updates as a strategy in pushing W10, yet they can't even get it working properly; at least that was the case for Woody (and me).

Anyway, I think you need KB3123862 installed in addition to KB3146449 via the IE11 security update to get the banner to pop up when opening a new tab. I'm guessing Woody's problem in replicating the behavior is not having W10-related KB3123862 installed, which appeared sometime last week, and what I assume was consequently hidden.

So, even if you downloaded the IE11 cumulative update it won't trigger the banner when opening a new tab.

 

[Golden]

Well, that is a new low for Microsoft What a bunch of miserable, misbegotten, "jerks" (I have much better terms but Mama told me not to use those words and forum rules forbid them)

Looks like the Thought Police has struck. Nothing was misspelled; Nigel just doesn't like my spelling of Microsoft.

Stop bleating Debbie.

 

[nrgWinmagic]

About a month ago, Windows 7 started getting very unstable, crashing a lot. It would crash mostly in the morning, in the first 30 mins of use. It was not dependent upon my shutting it down overnight. I had not changed my configuration at all; so, I started suspecting something was being installed automatically.

I had already (for the umpteenth time) uninstalled and hidden KB2952664, KB2990214, KB3021917, KB3035583. Of course, like a bad penny, they always came back!

So, I disabled Automatic Updates a week ago and my system stabilized and stayed stable until...

I manually performed Windows Update last night!!

That is what led me to this forum. Based on what I read here today, I did a system restore to before the updates and I will follow the guidance here closely to see what, if any, of the updates I will install on my machine. I completely agree that Windows 10 is being crammed down our throats and I am not in agreement with that. That is horrible practice of Microsoft and I have considered going to Linux because of it. Because, if history is any indicator, the pressure will persist and likely increase over time.

I am concerned that unwanted updates have already been installed in the past months. If anyone can tell me what the most problematic ones are and if they can be uninstalled, I would be most grateful.

Thanks for being here!

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Yes well i just posted in another thread I only install update for Office and >NET stuff and now I think I shall not install anything after reading this thread.

What I am doing besides using the settings for updates - let me choose etc is running the GWX Control Panel and I was able to delete GWX from the registry but it has finally been blocked.

The panel if anyone has not heard of it is this Ultimate Outsider - Software Downloads < make sure to use only the control panel the other stuff is naggy and I keep the icon on my desktop and I regularly use the button in my pic. Plus I have the registry set to disable via Option 1 in this Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums

For what it is worth it is all about money pure and simple and yes I am also using Linux Mint to on my secondary laptop and will have it on one of my deskies soon too at least it avoids this bullying by M$.

 

[Brds7t7]

I'm beginning to think the culprit of this is KB3123862. The files it replaces are things like explorerframe.dll and shell32.dll. There has been no clear explanation on what it actually does and nobody seems to know.
I've installed all the latest updates including the IE11 updates and used IE (for the first time in years) and I don't see any Windows 10 banner. But I have skipped KB3123862.
Anyone else have that update installed? MS can inject as many W10 adverts as they want provided it stays in IE which I don't use anyway. I don't want it affecting other parts of the OS though. That will be extremely annoying!

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Brds mate there is an awful lot of references through many threads in here that list updates that have been put out and now it seems changed either by number or embedding in updates for seemingly "innocuous" updates that are aimed at getting 10 onto our machines come hell or high water.

I know some members who have kept track of each and almost every one of them and personally I have just decided to not update at all unless someone can prove to me that by not installing a said update I am at risk of whatever disaster overtaking me.

Microsoft has in my mind gone a little too far in what they are doing to get people to use 10 when it is plainly clear to me that there are a lot of folks who just do not like it and you can see in the number of posts for help to get from 10 to 7 just how many there are.

Why they just could not leave 7 to live out it's days in peace I shall never know except that they just want to make even more money and take ownership of us by not giving us that freedom of choice. I for one do not think that would be an unreasonable ask.

 

[ThrashZone]

I hear ya I have already had to reinstall my laptop because of a corrupted store
Resetting did nothing neither did 3 system images all resulted in the same outcome corrupt.
I believe it happened and I pretty much knew it would by hiding kb3112343 so called "Important"
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3112343

 

[woodyleonhard]

I think you need KB3123862 installed in addition to KB3146449 via the IE11 security update to get the banner to pop up when opening a new tab. I'm guessing Woody's problem in replicating the behavior is not having W10-related KB3123862 installed, which appeared sometime last week, and what I assume was consequently hidden.

So, even if you downloaded the IE11 cumulative update it won't trigger the banner when opening a new tab.

Thanks for the suggestion! I've been looking high and low for a screenshot of this phenomenon. Lots of people have sent me pictures of msn.com throwing up (I use the term intentionally) a "Microsoft recommends upgrading to Windows 10" ad. But msn.com has been running those forever.

I tried installing KB 3123862, as you recommend, and haven't seen an ad on a new tab yet.

I asked Microsoft about it and got the usual "we have nothing further to say" response. Not unexpected.

I'm still looking! Please, if any of you see a "Get Windows 10" ad on a new tab, shoot a picture.

 

[Viscon]

I'm beginning to think the culprit of this is KB3123862. (...)
I've installed all the latest updates including the IE11 updates and used IE (for the first time in years) and I don't see any Windows 10 banner. But I have skipped KB3123862.

Same here, KB3123862 skipped and hidden, and latest cumulative IE update installed.
Nothing suspicious like win10 banners or ads when launching IE.