BSOD CPU and CPU fans at high speeds when playing games.

[void1x]

Just ran prime95 torture stress test for just over six hours , is that sufficient?>

 

[panais]

Yes it is.

 

[void1x]

okay so to sum up your original post - no errors in all tests , all instructions followed.
back to square 1 D: .
going to install a new beta driver just incase theres a one off chance of it helping.. i dobut it though.

If a reinstall of windows doesnt fix the problem , am i safe to say theres a good chance its the P.S.U?

-btw thanks alot for your help so far.

 

[panais]

Change PSU with better\stronger is always a good idea.

As you said you finished with all the above steps.

Play\work as usual,give it time (maybe 1-2 days) and post back.

In meantime if you like to change the PSU,yes it helps.

 

[fseal]

It was worrisome that after your computer crashed, the fans then went full speed.

If you are crashing from heat it may be because the BIOS is not handling your fan speeds correctly. You may be able to fix it by installing SpeedFan and specifically setting your fan speed(s) to max, at least when you intend to play games...

There may be an option in your BIOS that allows better fan controll as well.

THere have been cases of BIOSes and GPU drivers that improperly handle the fan and cause such problems.

The actual allowed temps are of course CPU and GPU specific. I.e. my GTX480 (a 230 watt beast of yore) runs at 80-90C with dual monitors when playing Skyrim and that is "normal". The CPU runs at about 45C. Never had any heat related issues...

 

[void1x]

updated to latest drivers , no luck as usual , the game crashes before any image appeared on my screen( the usual case) on reccomended settings.

 

[void1x]

It was worrisome that after your computer crashed, the fans then went full speed.

If you are crashing from heat it may be because the BIOS is not handling your fan speeds correctly. You may be able to fix it by installing SpeedFan and specifically setting your fan speed(s) to max, at least when you intend to play games...

There may be an option in your BIOS that allows better fan controll as well.

THere have been cases of BIOSes and GPU drivers that improperly handle the fan and cause such problems.

The actual allowed temps are of course CPU and GPU specific. I.e. my GTX480 (a 230 watt beast of yore) runs at 80-90C with dual monitors when playing Skyrim and that is "normal". The CPU runs at about 45C. Never had any heat related issues...

only 50 % of the time the gpu fan will increase like that , other times it will crash indetically but fan speeds will stay the same , ill check my bios fan settings now.

 

[void1x]

It was worrisome that after your computer crashed, the fans then went full speed.

If you are crashing from heat it may be because the BIOS is not handling your fan speeds correctly. You may be able to fix it by installing SpeedFan and specifically setting your fan speed(s) to max, at least when you intend to play games...

There may be an option in your BIOS that allows better fan controll as well.

THere have been cases of BIOSes and GPU drivers that improperly handle the fan and cause such problems.

The actual allowed temps are of course CPU and GPU specific. I.e. my GTX480 (a 230 watt beast of yore) runs at 80-90C with dual monitors when playing Skyrim and that is "normal". The CPU runs at about 45C. Never had any heat related issues...

set my gpu fan speed to 100% on msi afterburner.. same thing happened game crashed straight away

 

[fseal]

Ok.. Yeah if it's crashing /instantly/, then it's likely not heat, or atleast not heat any more...

Either software (Drivers) or hardware that's gone bad, after all your testing the only hardware I'd suspect is the video card itself atm.

You have any alternative video cards you could swap in for a bit?

 

[void1x]

Ok.. Yeah if it's crashing /instantly/, then it's likely not heat, or atleast not heat any more...

Either software (Drivers) or hardware that's gone bad, after all your testing the only hardware I'd suspect is the video card itself atm.

You have any alternative video cards you could swap in for a bit?

no i dont , would integrated motherboards graphics surfice?

 

[fseal]

Ok.. Yeah if it's crashing /instantly/, then it's likely not heat, or atleast not heat any more...

Either software (Drivers) or hardware that's gone bad, after all your testing the only hardware I'd suspect is the video card itself atm.

You have any alternative video cards you could swap in for a bit?

no i dont , would integrated motherboards graphics surfice?

Well not as good no. You probably would not even be able to run the game and it really would be nice to run the same drviers you have installed but on a different card from the same manufacturer to attempt to isolate the card or not. However it wouldn't hurt to try.

Another thing to try (do a search on the forms here) is to do a COMPLETE uninstall of all the video drivers. Get yourself back to an 800x600 VGA driver that comes with windows, then reinstall new driver completely clean...

 

[void1x]

Ok.. Yeah if it's crashing /instantly/, then it's likely not heat, or atleast not heat any more...

Either software (Drivers) or hardware that's gone bad, after all your testing the only hardware I'd suspect is the video card itself atm.

You have any alternative video cards you could swap in for a bit?

no i dont , would integrated motherboards graphics surfice?

Well not as good no. You probably would not even be able to run the game and it really would be nice to run the same drviers you have installed but on a different card from the same manufacturer to attempt to isolate the card or not. However it wouldn't hurt to try.

Another thing to try (do a search on the forms here) is to do a COMPLETE uninstall of all the video drivers. Get yourself back to an 800x600 VGA driver that comes with windows, then reinstall new driver completely clean...

okay ill have alook

 

[void1x]

no i dont , would integrated motherboards graphics surfice?

Well not as good no. You probably would not even be able to run the game and it really would be nice to run the same drviers you have installed but on a different card from the same manufacturer to attempt to isolate the card or not. However it wouldn't hurt to try.

Another thing to try (do a search on the forms here) is to do a COMPLETE uninstall of all the video drivers. Get yourself back to an 800x600 VGA driver that comes with windows, then reinstall new driver completely clean...

okay ill have alook

I un-installed the gpu drivers in Device manager , rebooted in safe mode and uninstalled the Nvidia drivers in driver sweeper.
Re-booted in normal mode and installed the latest drivers from Nvidia , rebooted again.

Ran skyrim and crashed straight away like normal.

It's weird though , this morning i loaded skyrim up in ultra and it ran good , ( usually crashes before an image comes on my screen) alt + tabbed to check facebook and came back and my pc crashed,

Is this a tell-tale sign of driver issues?

 

[fseal]

Well.. you said you were getting weird color issues on screen? Trying the driver sweeper and reinstall are the free and easy things to try, but eventually it just may be that the card is dying.

Given enough power cycles and heat stress of warming and cooling, coupled with the horrible RHOS solder used today, it's super common to have chips pop their "pins" from the circuit board. And depending on random heat/stress it may work fine for a while then warm up and lose contact and die.

There are some sketchy posts on the web about how to "reflow" the boards in your oven. Probably a very small chance that it would work or not make things worse. But if the card is really dead... (And out of warrenty)

THis is where you need a good similar card to trade out to determine once and for all though.

If you are seeing color problems on screen and the card is under warrenty, I'd just try returning it at this point

 

[void1x]

Well.. you said you were getting weird color issues on screen? Trying the driver sweeper and reinstall are the free and easy things to try, but eventually it just may be that the card is dying.

Given enough power cycles and heat stress of warming and cooling, coupled with the horrible RHOS solder used today, it's super common to have chips pop their "pins" from the circuit board. And depending on random heat/stress it may work fine for a while then warm up and lose contact and die.

There are some sketchy posts on the web about how to "reflow" the boards in your oven. Probably a very small chance that it would work or not make things worse. But if the card is really dead... (And out of warrenty)

THis is where you need a good similar card to trade out to determine once and for all though.

If you are seeing color problems on screen and the card is under warrenty, I'd just try returning it at this point

No color issues really , pc crashes and the monitor stops recieving an image..

card is 3 months old

just re-installed windows , formatted all drives and reinstalled all drivers , game crashed within 5 seconds.

 

[fseal]

Well...

It's anyone's guess at this point. I'd still probably suspect the video card. But doing even a test swap is the one sure way to tell and it sounds like something you'll have to take the computer back to the people you bought it from to do :/

 

[void1x]

well , it was worth a try , unfortunately i havent a spare GPU so im going to have to send the machine back. oh well atleast im fully covered. is a bummer though , really looking forward to playing skyrim .

-thanks all , jai

 

[void1x]

if anyone has any last ideas please share as I want to try anything before I send it back for repairs.

 

[void1x]

98% sure my problem is all drivers. I can run heaven benchmark completely fine , but i cant run counter strike source for more then a minute. Waiting until nvidia releases a new driver until i ride it off as hardware and send it for repairs.

 

[zigzag3143]

98% sure my problem is all drivers. I can run heaven benchmark completely fine , but i cant run counter strike source for more then a minute. Waiting until nvidia releases a new driver until i ride it off as hardware and send it for repairs.

If you are that sure it is a driver you should run driver to verify to offending one.

I'd suggest that you first backup your stuff and then make sure you've got access to another computer so you can contact us if problems arise. Then make a System Restore point (so you can restore the system using the Vista/Win7 Startup Repair feature).

In Windows 7 you can make a Startup Repair disk by going to Start....All Programs...Maintenance...Create a System Repair Disc - with Windows Vista you'll have to use your installation disk or the "Repair your computer" option at the top of the Safe Mode menu .

Then, here's the procedure:
- Go to Start and type in "verifier" (without the quotes) and press Enter
- Select "Create custom settings (for code developers)" and click "Next"
- Select "Select individual settings from a full list" and click "Next"
- Select everything EXCEPT FOR "Low Resource Simulation" and click "Next"
- Select "Select driver names from a list" and click "Next"
Then select all drivers NOT provided by Microsoft and click "Next"
- Select "Finish" on the next page.

Reboot the system and wait for it to crash to the Blue Screen. Continue to use your system normally, and if you know what causes the crash, do that repeatedly. The objective here is to get the system to crash because Driver Verifier is stressing the drivers out. If it doesn't crash for you, then let it run for at least 36 hours of continuous operation (an estimate on my part).

If you can't get into Windows because it crashes too soon, try it in Safe Mode.
If you can't get into Safe Mode, try using System Restore from your installation DVD to set the system back to the previous restore point that you created.