Solved BSOD sometimes when playing games , but always when watching Twitch

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Let's start with my PC specs:

MOBO: Dell 0ry007
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 @ 3.16 GHz
GPU: Gigabyte Geforce GTX 750 TI OC 2 Gb
RAM: 4x1 Gb of Geil DDR2-800
Storage: 1x WD Black 500GB and 1x Kingston SSDNOW V300 120 Gb
PSU: Antec Basiq 450W

So i made quite a bit of troubleshooting.

First i tried my RAM memory sticks to see if they are faulty.I tested them with Windows Memory Diagnostic first and got no problems, then I tried MemTest 86 (ran for 2 hours) and i got the same result: No problems.

Then I checked my SSD (on that i have the OS) with chkdsk /f - got 0 errors ,then tried sfc /scannow - got 0 problems, and then tried CrystalDisk - got a 100% healthy SSD and a Good HDD

Then I thought my PSU fails (at that moment i had the original ACbel 300 W) and changed with this Antec Basiq 450 W.

Then I tried the GPU and here are some question marks (??????????).I ran furmark 5 times (4 times ran for 30 minutes and 1 time for 1 hour) with Xtreme Burn-In setting, 8xMSAA and max resolution (1440x900) and the card run at 62C average temperature and never crashed ,just the fans got louder,which is normal.But here is the thing sometimes i get BSOD's caused by dxgmms1.sys and nvlddmkm.sys ,so DirectX and Nvidia Driver.

Tested the CPU with prime 95 and nothing happened also tested with Furmark -CPU Burn and nothing happened aswell but the temperature was 65-68C which is a bit HOT but the CPU can handle it.

Motherboard I have no idea sincerly.

Bugchecks are : page_fault_in_nonpaged_area , driver_irql_not_less_or_equal and apc_index_mismatch caused by win32k.sys , ntoskrnl.sys, dxgmms1.sys and nvlddmkm.sys

I get the BSOD's when i play games but not too often, although I get them always when I'm watching Twitch Streams at Source quality

There you go folks. I ran out of ideas honestly .

Below are the Minidumps but unfortunately in the past 12 days my system stopped saving the dumps and i uploaded a photo to show you my settings in case of system crash .

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Ok mate now I only see those dump files you see and apart from the NVidia one nvlddmkm.sys which I am guessing you have tried playing with the drivers the others are really non specific and need further digging around.
I like to start with the ruddy obvious and simple stuff so please run these

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/1538-sfc-scannow-command-system-file-checker.html

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/433-disk-check.html< if necessary include the /f and /r in the command line as per Option2 >in safe mode if need be

then these

https://www.malwarebytes.org/mwb-download/index.html

http://www.superantispyware.com/

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/adwcleaner/

ADW download from bleepingcomputer delete any rubbish found with the malware scans

NB If anyone is runningKaspersky security it may rant about ADW - just ignore it or disable it for awhile
then this


Using HW Info
PART A:
You can test the volts on the PSU with HW Info HWiNFO, HWiNFO32/64 - Download < download the right bit version and close the right handwindow select Sensors and scroll down to the power section where you will seewhat the volts are doing see my pic. Now the section you want will be labeled -for example Asus boards usually have "Nuvoton" and Gigabyte boards"ITE" in any case the section you want will have Vbatt or VBAT in it(dead give away)
The original right hand window shows the machine running and is handy for thatbut for looking at the components in some detail close it and use the main lefthand side panel
FOR OTHER COMPONENTS
PART B:
Open each small square with + in it on the section the components are in andthen click on the individual component/s (it will highlight in blue) - in theright hand side will appear all sorts of details including brands speeds andother essential info that particular device. See pic for example.
Run PART A: and post back what you find

 

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I will try the things you sent me there but as far as I know my PC has no malware or viruses .I scanned yesterday with avast and malwarebytes.

And with HWINFO I will try it when I get home in about 2-3 hours,but I remember is a weird temperature somwhere on the motherboard.I will give more info later, but as far as I know right now that temp is 85C from start and it gets just to 90C if i stress him.Got 2 new BSOD's as well both when running twitch for a little time so i'll post them too.
It seems like this PC has something with twitch ,in games BSOD's are less but are still there.

But the problem is limiting to motherboard , CPU( the chance would be like 5% or less ,never Oc'ed) and maybe GPU ...monday i'll give my GPU to a friend and he will give me his and we will run twitch to see if the video card is the problem.

 

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I got home finally and rescanned all and got 0 problems in every scan. The HDD on this is like 2 months old and the SSD is 3 months old so i got those chkdsk /r and /f and as expected no problems.

Downloaded HWiNFO and got those temperatures and volts. I don't know much about those voltages but 3.3V,5V and 12V rails are fine from what I see. My PSU is 1 week old and is replacing my ACbel which i had previously.That temperature on the Motherboard...... I checked with my hand the NorthBridge and it's nowhere near 80C...

I got 2 BSOD's 2 and one has been caused by ctaud2k ,so it's my soundcard which is 9 years old or so and i just unninstalled all the drivers from it and changed to the onboard sound. The second has ACPI.sys,ntoskrnl.sys and some weird thing named Wdco1.dl. So the dumps are below both BSOD's happened on 4 september

 

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Bump.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Sorry mate late reply had to go offline yesterday. The volts all look ok butif for any reason you need to reset the BIOS it doesn't matter the CMOS batteryis a tad under volts but for the current set up it doesn't matter.

The temp on the motherboard is quite alarming though and is worth doublechecking with Speccy in case HW Info has misread it https://www.piriform.com/speccy/download



The dumps I cannot open that last one it is telling me it is corrupted the ntoskrnl.sys as you will know - anything is possible for a cause and I cannot find any reference to that Wdco1.dll - that is a weird one.

Look I might ask for some help on this one mate as that Wdco1.dll is beyond me.

 

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On Speccy it doesn't even show that temp..... just the first one and it's 40C.
On that Wdco1.dll i have no idea..... even google doesn't have an idea. So I have again new BSOD errors that i will upload.

Something interesting is that now whenever i run prime95, after 5 minutes the PC completely freezes and the image stays on the screen forever.No sign of BSOD here.The temps on the CPU's are staying around 64-66C so I don't see heat being the problem.

But the BSOD information is just not enough...... and i don't think posting them helps to solve the problem too much. It's something deeper than that.

Oh and why under GPU stress test from FURMARK the CPU is running with 1 core at 100% and with the other at 0%.... it doesnt make sense

And it's Wdco1.dl. not Wdco1.dll it seems which it's very bizzare

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Hmm Valentin then it is very weird indeed because I took that file as a .dll library hence my quoting it what the heck .dl is I have no idea of at all.

Stranger still is why Speccy isn't giving any temps apart from that one and that you are having problems running anything to me points toward a problem with the CPU and the GPU .

Now another way of getting to the temps should be the BIOS if you open that it should tell you there what CPU temp is at least. Some other options are these I have only ever run the Core Temp one the others I haven't but am guessing they are ok as I found them quoted in another forum

1. Realtemp.
2. CPU thermomether.
3. Core Temp

Give them try anyway bit it should be in the BIOS because most softwares for finding the temps get the info from the BIOS - I stand to be corrected of course.

 

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Ok luckily i have the original CPU of the PC ......The Grand Intel Pentium Dual Core E2160 ,do you think i should buy some thermal compound and fire him up?

When i had this bad boy ...I never had any problems, just that the computer ran a little bit slower

But speccy is giving me all the temps i clicked on the Motherboard that's why.

Why the RAM is rated at 398 MHz when is clocked at 800 MHz

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Ok mate now can I ask why was the faster (much faster) and better spec's CPU replaced with what is a far inferior unit??
Look at these specs and you will see the speed of the E2160 CPU is whole lot slower and the L2 cache is well out of whack no wonder it ran slower.
ARK | Intel® Coreâ„¢2 Duo Processor E8500 (6M Cache, 3.16 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)

ARK | Intel® Pentium® Processor E2160 (1M Cache, 1.80 GHz, 800 MHz FSB)

To me it would be no brainer to use the E2160 against the E8500. But I would first like to know why it was swapped out - any reason?

 

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I wanted to replace just to see if the CPU is bad ..... I mean to run the E2160 through all these tests .
I still have the E8500 i just asked if its a good idea to switch them to see if E8500 is failing ,because im sure the other one is good.

I'm not that stupid mate

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Look don't be offended I was not inferring you were stupid it is just a way of saying it makes no sense in using an older and slower CPU over a newer and faster one. It was not pointing the finger at you and accusing you of being anything but a normal person.

I think you have really misinterpreted what I was saying and that saying it in that way is an expression we use all the time between friends as I am not in the habit of offending anyone in any way. I am sorry that you took it that way but I suppose it would not be good for us all to be the same eh?

Now to get back on track yes I do think it would be good to try the E8500 again and see if there are any problems with it running.

 

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I tried Furmark again because i don't have thermal compound to test the E2160........ 2 hours and 30 minutes and no problems.
I think that the GPU is totally fine mate . What do you think? 6 furmark tests with no problems. But we talk about the CPU ,GPU and others but never thought about motherboard. The Mobo it's 8 years old.

And the BIOS on this is totally *beep* ..... it won't show the temps of CPU , has no overclocking options (i won't OC but really).

The total usage of the E8500 is less than a year

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Yep well I was going to come to that as a matter of fact because as you have now said that six Furmarks with no problem and the CPU though slow is still working the machine pints the finger at the hard drive and the motherboard there are few other things that can be looked at eh?

The PSU has been done and I think I mentioned before it is one of the first things I head for.
No temps on the BIOS is odd though??

Problem is where are you going to find a replacement board? - probably nowhere and if you do it would have to be a used one and that is fraught with problems. If you replace it with another brand MB then that means you are up for a new CPU probably RAM and not to mention a copy of Windows 7. So is that an option?? probably not and I personally would try to get this rig going with the E8500 and see what happens

As for OC I would think that even the E8500 would not be able to do much if at all.

 

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I think i'll replace entirely .... the board ,RAM ,CPU and maybe a new case

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Sounds like a plan my friend and while you are at it why not a complete build it doesn't have to be fancy although you would be wise to build as best you can with the budget you have - by that I mean don't go skimping on stuff like I did with my first build when for a few dollars extra I could have had a fantastic build instead of a mediocre one

Good luck and if you are after ideas just post a thread in here we are always looking for new ideas and for us to give ideas to others. But one word of warning it is ADDICTIVE

 

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I know it's a late reponse but........ I think I found the problem.The BSOD's were getting worse and worse.
Cleaned the entire PC and reseated the RAM in different postions I think.Everything got worse from that moment, I was getting now a BSOD after watching just 5 minutes on Twitch I was getting a simply random BSOD ..... random bugchecks ...random everything.Appeared something new this time because I was getting BSOD's after 1-2 hours of doing nothing just searching and replying on other forum.

At one point I became angry and just wanted to throw this ******* PC out of my house.
But then I came with the idea of removing useless components.I unninstalled my audio drivers for my Soundblaster card and then removed it.I was still getting Blue screens.Then unplugged my optical driver.Still same situation.

Then I realised that I bought the kits of RAM at different times.I bought 1 kit (2x1 GB) of Geil DDR2-800 and after some time my friend sold my his sticks of RAM that were identical (same timings ,same frequency,same capacity and all that stuff).His RAM kit was used 1 month before he never used it so it was like new. We tested that RAM at his place came up with no errors .Then I tested at my place no errors.

So i removed 3 sticks and ran with just 1 GB of RAM .Currently after 1 h and 3 minutes the PC works just fine running twitch at source quality. I'll try to put another stick of RAM from the same kit on the white slots and then remove them and put the second kits on the black slots.If i won't get bluescreens I will try to put all the rame sticks with the same kits on the same colour.Same kits god the same series so maybe that will work but it seems that is a RAM compatibility problem.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Ok mate you have touched on two things here 1) making sure the sticks are compatible with the MB and 2) the MB just might have compatibility issues the RAM slots you have been using.

Now it is always the best if one can to run the RAM as a kit - that is to say the sticks were of the same manufacturer, model and of the same batch of RAM being made. It is all well and good of putting in of sticks that to all intents and purposes have the some volts frequencies etc but the basic specs of each individual stick may vary enough for them not to work in unison - if you get my drift.


The board slots and the order they are best used is the way / order of use that the manufacturer states to be used. Some brands state that the slots/ sticks install should start at the nearest to the CPU ie 1 & 3 and others the next slot out ie 2 & 4 but that is down to scratching away at the MB manual and I am guessing for that particulate board it would take some delving into.

A good source of info is this site Tradesman is really good at advising what RAM - type and amount one should be using.
I know it is G Skill and that for the main I use that brand but he will still be able to give you some ideas.
Welcome to the G.SKILL TECH FORUM

Meanwhile I might go scratch around to see what I can find about that MB.

 

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So after testing them the RAM is not faulty but it seems incompatible.First i put 2 sticks that were from the same kit (looked on the model numer and series) and they worked well together not getting BSOD's on twitch.
Then I tried the other kit and it worked the same as the previous, showing no Bluescreens. To remember the sticks are exactly the same all for of them having the same timings ,frequincies,look the same etc.When I put together all 4 of them and ran Twitch, after 40 minutes got a BSOD.

Maybe is something with voltages but my BIOS is so bad that i can't even see anything about voltages and the others.I think it's the worst BIOS ever made ...
So it's clearly something incompatible here .I put the matching kits on 1-3 slots ,respectively 2-4 slots.
I found a store who sells brand new DDR2 RAM but it's expensive ,so I was thinking selling these 4 sticks on matching kits (2x1 Gb and 2x1 Gb) and buying a bred new pair of 2x2 Gb DDR2 and see how it goes. What do you think?

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Well I think that is a good idea to be perfectly frank and that it will "match up" will certainly do no harm.
The RAM you have been trying with does seem to play a part in what of your problems. Unfortunately it is as you say expensive.

Have you had a look on your local EBay site as I think if you are really careful you may be able to pick up some at a reasonable price and from a dealer at that at least then you have some recourse to get your money back or the sticks swapped for good ones. Now just to give you some idea this is some DDR2 I can view out here that is sourced from Honk Kong and it is Samsung memory Samsung 8GB 2X4GB DDR2 800MHz PC2 6400 240pin FOR AMD CPU Motherboard Memory | eBay The price is good and as long as you search for Brand New and a known brand I thin you may be ok.

If you have any reservations please don't hesitate to ask us / me.