Building a Win 7 machine 'today'

GRoston

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I seem to recall having read something to the effect that MS had limited the ability of a clean Win 7 installation to be updated (in order to force people to Win 10). Is this true or not? My notebook was 'built' six years ago, and as painful as it is, I think I need to start afresh...
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
OS
Windows 7 x64 Pro
CPU
Core i7 860 @ 3.8 GHz
Motherboard
MSI P55-GD80
Memory
16 GB F3-12800CL7D (DDR3 1600 7-7-7-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Sapphire Vapor-X 100283VXL Radeon HD 5770
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NEC LCD3090WQXi-BK
It's partially true. Some time ago Microsoft issued a malicious patch though Windows update to arbitrarily block updates on the latest hardware (specifically, the KB4012218 update). Once this is installed, Windows will simply refuse to download/install new updates without any reason. However, not having it installed avoids this limitation.
This is the official MS statement about the malware patch

Note that this update is almost certainly included in every posterior "montly rollup" so it's not simply to avoid it. Fortunately the community already reacted and issued another patch to fix the flaw and continue receiving updates normally. Having it installed restores the ability to use Windows Update.

Other than for this annoyance, Windows works normally on every processor out there, as long as you use the proper drivers. That sabotage attempt only happens when using the latest CPU families (Intel Kaby Lake or AMD Ryzen).

In short, it's totally possible to still have a sane Win7 experience, but you either:
- Avoid the malicious KB4012218 "update" and all posterior rollups.
- Install the update and also the patch to fix it (possibly after each successive update afterwards).
- Accept the MS sabotage and live without latter patches.
- Don't do updates altogether.
 

My Computer

Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Toshiba Sattelite A665-S6092
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
Intel Core i7-740QM
Memory
8 GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
NVIDIA GeForce 330GT
Screen Resolution
1366x768
Hard Drives
Samsung 840 SSD 500GB
1TB USB3 external HD
Cooling
Coolermaster Notepal U3 notebook cooling pad
Internet Speed
3mbps ASDL
Antivirus
ClamWin 0.98.7
Browser
Opera 12.17 x86 (main), Firefox 38 (sec), IE11 (last resort)
As Alejandro has mentioned, M$ is pushing hard to the Win 10.
To be able to install win 7 on a new machine:
- On BIOS, it must be possible to turn off Secure boot.
- You must add some drivers (USB 3.x, SATA, M.2 NVMe) to Win 7 installation disk. Create a Windows 7 USB flash installation with new drives for new MB's - Windows 7 Help Forums
- With a Kabylake CPU, If you're going to use the internal graphics, you must do a workaround to install the drivers Fix for Windows 7 drivers for Intel 7th gen HD graphics 620 610 615 630 Iris 640 650 - YouTube
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    custom build
    OS
    Windows 7 HP 64
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4200MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
  • Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Asus Q550LF
    OS
    Windows 7 Pro
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800MHz to 3.0GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs +
    1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
Alejandro85, Megahertz07,

Thank you both - these are great, informative replies.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
OS
Windows 7 x64 Pro
CPU
Core i7 860 @ 3.8 GHz
Motherboard
MSI P55-GD80
Memory
16 GB F3-12800CL7D (DDR3 1600 7-7-7-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Sapphire Vapor-X 100283VXL Radeon HD 5770
Monitor(s) Displays
NEC LCD3090WQXi-BK

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
OS
Windows 7 x64 Pro
CPU
Core i7 860 @ 3.8 GHz
Motherboard
MSI P55-GD80
Memory
16 GB F3-12800CL7D (DDR3 1600 7-7-7-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Sapphire Vapor-X 100283VXL Radeon HD 5770
Monitor(s) Displays
NEC LCD3090WQXi-BK
It seems good. I just don't trust it. If you intent to use it, scan for virus and malwares.

Before you try to install win 7 on the new machine, make a full disk image on an external drive. Use Macrium Reflect Free Edition https://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v7/ReflectDLHF.exe

What new machine did you bought?
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    custom build
    OS
    Windows 7 HP 64
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4200MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
  • Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Asus Q550LF
    OS
    Windows 7 Pro
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800MHz to 3.0GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs +
    1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
CPU
Intel i7-3930K
Motherboard
ASUS P9X79 WS
Memory
Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR
Graphics Card(s)
MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR
Sound Card
Asus Xonar Essence STX
Monitor(s) Displays
3x Asus VG248QE 24", Vizio 32" TV
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080, ?
Hard Drives
Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (1),
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (4)
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (16) external backup drives used in 2.5" hot swap bays in the computer.
PSU
Corsair HX750w
Case
Antec Two Hundred v2 (modified)
Cooling
Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm)
Keyboard
Logitech G510s
Mouse
Logitech M525 (two in use)
Internet Speed
=< 32Mbps down, 8Mbps up
Antivirus
AVAST!, MBAM, SAS, Spybot S&D (all but MBAM free) Glary Util
Browser
IE11
Other Info
LSI 9211-8i HBA card (8 SATA III ports), 2.5" & 3.5" Hot Swap Bays, HooToo HT-CR001 PCI-E to USB 3.0 Internal Hub + 6 Slot Card Reader, and LG Model CH12LS28 BD-ROM Optical Drive. Also, ScanSnap S1500 ADF duplexing scanner, Canon 9000F flat bed scanner, Corsair SP2500 2.1 speakers, Samsung CLP 415nw laser color printer, Cyberpower PP2200SW UPS

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
OS
Windows 7 x64 Pro
CPU
Core i7 860 @ 3.8 GHz
Motherboard
MSI P55-GD80
Memory
16 GB F3-12800CL7D (DDR3 1600 7-7-7-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Sapphire Vapor-X 100283VXL Radeon HD 5770
Monitor(s) Displays
NEC LCD3090WQXi-BK
As the laptop has a SSD and a HDD and you're going to do a fresh win 7 install, i suggest you move C:\Users to D:/Users. Use Kari tutorial. Very easy. All the needed files are here https://www.sevenforums.com/attachments/general-discussion/399687d1499298283-my-computer-freezes-randomly-while-hdd-light-turns-solid-red-relocate.zip

M$ installs an update that prevents Updates on Kabylake.
So set WU to Manual on services and Never check on WU page.
For Windows I only install the Security only updates.
I manually run WU to look for office updates.

Disable Windows updates and use the offline updates MS releases SP2 for Windows 7 - Windows 7 Help Forums
 
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My Computers

System One System Two

  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    custom build
    OS
    Windows 7 HP 64
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4200MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
  • Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Asus Q550LF
    OS
    Windows 7 Pro
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800MHz to 3.0GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs +
    1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    OS
    7 X64
    CPU
    i5 8400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    2x8gb 3200mhz
    Hard Drives
    various
    PSU
    pure power 11 400w cm
    Case
    Coolermaster
    Cooling
    cryorig m9i
  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    OS
    7x64
    CPU
    g5400
    Motherboard
    ga b365m ds3h
    Memory
    8gb ddr4 2400
    PSU
    xfx pro 450w
Megahertz07: I agree with your comment about moving the users folder. I found this approach, lifehacker.com/5467758/move-the-users-directory-in-windows-7, which seems quite a bit easier than the one you posted (and, I believe, is akin to the approach I used last time I set up a computer), but I will try the one you suggested instead. With regard to WU and KabyLake, check out the link in Alejandro85 original reply - I am planning to use that 'patch'.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
OS
Windows 7 x64 Pro
CPU
Core i7 860 @ 3.8 GHz
Motherboard
MSI P55-GD80
Memory
16 GB F3-12800CL7D (DDR3 1600 7-7-7-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Sapphire Vapor-X 100283VXL Radeon HD 5770
Monitor(s) Displays
NEC LCD3090WQXi-BK
I've seen the Lifehaker post to move \users to D: . "The only quirk is that accessing the Users folder from the C: drive (for example) appears as "C:" when it's actually on "D:".
I can say that Kari tutorial works without a problem as I have done it on my computer.

Regarding the updates, Automatic updates has installed a lot of "Updates" that made WU to not work anymore, not to mention the spy features and blocking WU on Kabylake.
So my suggestion is to turn it off and install the SP2 and Security only updates. For Office run WU manually and choose those updates you want to install.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    custom build
    OS
    Windows 7 HP 64
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4200MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
  • Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Asus Q550LF
    OS
    Windows 7 Pro
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800MHz to 3.0GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs +
    1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
Quick update: The new machine arrived on Wed and I have been working on it for several days. I was able to install Win 7 Pro x64 (using the Noticias distro) without incident. (I had to first tweak the BIOS to be able to boot from a USB drive - after that, everything went smoothly.) Essentially no issues with the device drivers - with the Intel drivers, the key is to find the most recent version that supports Win 7 - in the case of the video driver, this Fix for Windows 7 drivers for Intel 7th gen HD graphics 620 610 615 630 Iris 640 650 - YouTube is quite helpful.

I have installed most of the needed apps, disabled all of the unwanted tasks, etc. Almost ready to start using it.

I did run the Novabench on both my desktop (Intel core i&-860 with ATI Radeon HD 5770 graphics) and the new notebook computer (Intel core i7-7700HQ with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050). The notebook beat the desktop in every category and smoked it on the graphics test.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
OS
Windows 7 x64 Pro
CPU
Core i7 860 @ 3.8 GHz
Motherboard
MSI P55-GD80
Memory
16 GB F3-12800CL7D (DDR3 1600 7-7-7-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Sapphire Vapor-X 100283VXL Radeon HD 5770
Monitor(s) Displays
NEC LCD3090WQXi-BK
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