chckdisk almost at every boot

[one71]

Hi,

I have Win7 Entrprise (64bit) intalled on a quite new laptop and I have the problem that almost at every boot up the HD gets checked (chkdsk runs). Sure I will check with some HD tool the sanity of my disk (WD), but I do not really think the disk has a problem. What I think might be linked to the problm is the following.

I have the imprssion this chkdisk procedure at boot up is started everytime the boot is done aftr a boot down without previously having closed MANUALLY all running applications. I have the impression that when, at boot down, it warns that thre are running applications, and it closes them by itself, when I boot up again, I get the chkdsk proof.

Have you notoiced this too?

This is really disturbing, and, if it is true that it does not manage to cleanly stop running applications, rather buggy.

Even more.
Suppose I boot down with say fiefox open. The warning says "you have firefox open" (well it shows the icon).

Suppose I close all evident running applications (no application listed in the applications tab of the task bar) and I boot down.

This boot down warning "you have still application running", comes without any hint on which is the appliction still running!!!
I guess in my case it refers to an application which is in autostart i.e. runs in background, it is not listed in th "task bar application list" and which I tend not to explicitelly to stop before booting down, but this has never disturbed winXP.

p.s. I have avira Professional as Virus Scanner

 

[king44]

Avira slowed down my LAN connection on Win 7, I'd find an alternative, my system was crawling with it and I have a pretty decent system.

WDC HD's get messed from time to time, my WDC 500 acts up every now and then.

In windows go to cmd and try chkdsk /f or chkdsk /r - make sure you have backed up any important data. chkdsk /f or /r will force a full chkdsk to verify errors. PLEASE BACK UP FIRST. It's worth a try.

 

[TGSoldier]

Avira slowed down my LAN connection on Win 7, I'd find an alternative, my system was crawling with it and I have a pretty decent system.

WDC HD's get messed from time to time, my WDC 500 acts up every now and then.

In windows go to cmd and try chkdsk /f or chkdsk /r - make sure you have backed up any important data. chkdsk /f or /r will force a full chkdsk to verify errors. PLEASE BACK UP FIRST. It's worth a try.

Agreed.

+1

 

[Orbital Shark]

Hi one71, welcome to the forums.

I would suggest looking at Task Scheduler, maybe it's got a new Task created to run on startup. Worth a try


OS

 

[Brink]

Hello One71, and welcome to Seven Forums.

You might check only with STEP THREE in the tutorial below to reset chkdsk to see if that may stop it from running at startup.

Chkdsk will Not Run at Startup in Vista - Vista Forums

Hope this helps,
Shawn

 

[Ex_Brit]

Another way to stop a chkdsk from endlessly starting with Windows is as follows...

Go to Start and type cmd in the Start search box. when cmd.exe appears above, right-click it and "Run as Administrator".

In the Command prompt windows type fsutil dirty query C: (with spaces) and hit Enter.

Alter C: accordingly if it's a different drive letter. If my theory is correct it should tell you that the volume is dirty. In which case do as king44 suggested and run chkdsk /r.

Either way you can stop it by typing in chkntfs /x C: and clicking Enter. (Alter C: as applicable). Then type in Exit and hit Enter. Reboot and hopefully it will be gone.

 

[WuzzoUK]

Just dropped in from the windows7forum. I had the same problem of repeated chkdsks, usually after a windows backup had failed.

Perhaps a coincidence, but I replaced Avira with MSE/Morro - no more chkdsk.

Worth a try?

 

[one71]

Hi evrybody. Many answers.. unfortunatelly nothing seems to help.

1) I cannot drop Avira: it is a business computer and Avira is the corporate virusscanner, I can at most try to shwitch avira manually off before booting down......
2) I hve tried:

C:\Windows\system32>fsutil dirty query C:
Volume - C: ist NICHT fehlerhaft.

(which translated means: no error found)
This means that my disk is fine and I do not need to run chkdsk /f or chkdsk /r, right?

3) I had a look at the suggeted tutorial. At "STEP THREE" (title: reset chkdsk BootExecute) I have followed the manual way and I have realized that I already have the BootExecute as "autocheck autochk *". So following this tutorial "THE STEP THREE" is done, i.e. nothing to do. The tutorial then says

"If BootExecute already has a Data value of autocheck autochk *, then you do not need to do this. (See the Manual Way below to check) Go to STEP THREE below instead. "

??? I do not understand I am in already in STEP THREE where shoould I go?

4) I had look in the scheduled tasks. What shold I look for to find a process which might be a chkdsk task"? The only 2 thinks which might have somthing to do with it are:

Diagnosis: Shduled but only on Sunday
DiskDiagnostic. deactivted

5) "repeated chkdsks, usually after a windows backup had failed": In the scheduler I have WindowsBackup sheuled evry day at 10 (what's that?) but it looks that everything is strted and ended properly: no error

Any othr idea?

NOTE:
I do not want to stop th checkdisk forever and in any case!! I mean if windows crashes and an chkdsk is needed it HAS to do it, only needless ckhdsk must be avoided!

more details: I have a ThinkPad T61 T8300 and th disk is a:
Drive Controller: Serial ATA 1.5Gb/s
Drive Model. WDC WD1600BEVS-08RST2
Drive Revision: 08.01G08

Windows 7 Entrprise 64bit uptodate
Avira Antivir Professional 9

 

[Brink]

One,

As a last resort, you can try a repair install without losing anything.

 

[one71]

Hi,

maybe I have the solution.

As I have told you in my starting post I had the impression that the checkdisk came at every boot up following a boot down where windows itself had to close some applications (no matter which) (you kow the warning: there are still application runnig should I close them or you want to close them?).

Following this idea I have found out tht there is a registry paramether (in every windows version, not specific to win7) which sets how many seconds the OS should wait before killing an application at shutdown. The WindowsXP default value is 20000(20 sec).

A lot of people tune this value to have a faster shutdown.
A lot of people have then, even in XP, the problem that at boot up they have a check disk.

This happens (I have leant) because if the applications are closed too fast, the OS does not have enough time to "clean the disk" and at boot up it feels the previous shutdown as a "system crash" i.e. it makes a chkdsk.

Ok I had a look on my registry (and on th registry of otehr collegues having Win7).

It looks like the Win7 default value is 12000. I have changed this value to 20000, and since then (3 boots up to now with open application boot down) I had no problem anymore!!!

That's what I have done in details:

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/717-shut-down-speed-up.html

regedit
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ SYSTEM\CurrrentControlSet\Control

change the value of WaitToKillServiceTimeout from

WaitToKillServiceTimeout 12000

to

WaitToKillServiceTimeout 20000

reboot

I hope that's really solved . If not .... I'll write again

 

[diodorus]

I have the sam problem, and it started after installing avira antivir... is it the cause then?

 

[Tews]

Try uninstalling your Antivirus and see if the problem persists..

 

[diodorus]

I've just read this also happens to other avira users... I would like to avoid to uninstalli it for now though... I will check avira forums for now...
Anyone else has the same issue?

 

[Tews]

The suggestion to uninstall your av program, is to eliminate it as a cause for your issue... It perplexes me why you would ask for help, yet reject a suggestion as simple as this, then ask for other solutions.. Its a simple suggestion and you can always re-install your a/v ...

Good Luck...

 

[diodorus]

Yes, I see. I first would like to know if that's a known issue and if other users has the same problem. Uninstalling it, as you suggest, would eliminate the (possible) cause, not fix it. But I will eventually do it, not just yet though. That's why I asked if anyone else experiences this.
Thanks again,
diodorus

 

[one71]

Hi,
again here to say: my trick did not work. Still I have an useless chkdisk after every second boot.
Agein I can not get rid of Avira being the cooperate Antivirus. I will try anyway (if I remmber to) to switch it off manually before booting down ....... let's see ......

 

[diodorus]

Oh, thanks for the update. But (how) are you sure it's Avira? (On the Avira forum they say it can't be it...)

 

[one71]

I'm absolutelly not sure it is avira ..... it's just another test of the tons I have already done ... I am running out of ideas, and start to be fed up of chkdsks .....

No one out there has new ideas?

 

[diodorus]

I will try to unsintall it and see what happens when I have time, probably tonight (I am not at home at the moment). However, that's still not a proof that Avira is the cause... is it?

 

[ellenico]

Hi everybody,
I have exactly the same problem too ("waiting for background programs to close" on shutdown, chkdsk at 50-60% of the boots, no issues found by chkdsk).
I don't want to completely disable chkdsk as well...
Has someone found the proof of the relationship with Avira (I use it too), or other solutions to this issue?
(Since last week no one has any news in this thread... I wanted also to "up" this problem...)